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leetnoob 2011-02-11 11:39
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
just watched elop and balmer on bloomberg tv, they didn't say much of interest and wouldn't commit to any timelines. but their mantra is they've now initiated a three horse race... the dream of an open source phone may have come and gone...

mikecomputing 2011-02-11 11:40
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by harvindhillon (Post 941709)
Well Intel has invested a lot in Meego as well so they might just pick it up and from last I heard they are interested in getting out some of their own smart-phones... So might not be doom and gloom just yet.
you forget the facts that no OSS/app developer will trust Nokia now and make apps. that means no apps == no one will buy meegophone == nokia dish it :(

I dont know if this can be changed. I am very sceptical myself to learn qt now :(

and thats a big problem already I mean not that many developers has started too port apps to qtquick...

so how will we change that? is it possible? or will we all change platform and goo android/webos? atm to me webos seems most intresting...

AndyNokia232 2011-02-11 11:40
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
Well, well, well... just woke up in New York and read this bombshell on BBC news. WOW. It's a crazy old world out there, but I guess if this is what they think will keep Nokia going with their superb handsets, well, I hope it works. As for Symbian, I think it serves its purpose as a low-end OS, and as for MeeGo (sob sob) maybe it will be the next Maemo, one or two quality, jaw-dropping devices released in the next two years that Nokia will give zero support to, but will be nurtured by the community.

WOW. Windows on my next Nokia? I think I'd rather have a turd on my head.

Hintry 2011-02-11 11:41
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
Another Dediu post worth reading...

http://www.asymco.com/2011/02/11/cha...-hp-for-nokia/

Changing places: Microsoft trades HP for Nokia

Quote:
The juxtaposition of HP’s strategy of increased independence and Nokia’s new strategy of increased dependence can’t be more striking.

HP is probably Microsoft’s biggest customer. As the largest licensee of Windows it probably generated more revenue for Microsoft than any other company. The fact that HP invested in a new operating system for its mobile efforts shows a level of discomfort with the lack of strategic leverage.

Nokia, on the other hand, has been resolutely independent in its software strategy. For over a decade it held out against licensing any OS, especially one from Microsoft. The pantomime theatrics that took place over that decade will make a great case study some day.

But now we have a complete reversal of roles: The abandonment of platform independence by a mobile giant at precisely the same time as the acquisition of platform resolve by an IT giant.

It seems almost poetic. And that should be a clue. Whenever you see poetry, you need not look far for some truth.

These chess moves are taking place in the context of a greater game: the collision and disruption of IT and Telecom. It’s not surprising that massive market forces are causing incumbents to react. HP, Microsoft and Nokia are in the throes of fundamental disruption. Even if these moves may not be all in the same direction, they each react in ways that make sense to them.

It’s also very likely that all the moves are for naught. Incumbents rarely win with reactions. Let’s not forget that the entrants came with different business models. Apple and Google are not making money in the ways of Nokia and HP (who are channel dependent) or Microsoft (who is license dependent). The reaction must itself be asymmetric. So far it’s not clear where the asymmetry lies.

abill_uk 2011-02-11 11:41
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by niqbal (Post 942073)
it was a huge mistake venturing away from Maemo and well Nokia is down the drain big time. Some sanity finally prevailed, I am glad at partnership with Microsoft. Some drawbacks yes but a lot of good, hopefully for best.

Nokia makes the best mobile-hardware, Microsoft has the best software engineers. I think it is a brilliant business move to finally start competing in North American market. Start making some money for a change, start capturing lost high-end market share.
There you go this guy can actually see clear !!!!.

You lot all need your head examined if you cannot see a migration of these 2 giants will and must come out trumps for everyone !.

Talk about what the intergration will actually mean instead of cursing and swearing Nokia.

(does this make me a fanboy?)

NO i got the sense to realise !!.

geneven 2011-02-11 11:43
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 942075)
Not at all but you read the garbage he writes and he dont even own a Nokia device let alone an N900 !.

Come on get real here what is this forum all about? oh sorry i have not been reading properly this is an ipone comedy forum huh.
I think the person you are accusing of not owning a Nokia device does, just not a N900. And you accused me of not owning a Nokia device too, and I have five or so, including an N900.

Try to keep your facts straight. If you can.

NOMOS 2011-02-11 11:43
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
I am terribly sad by because of this news.

jnack95 2011-02-11 11:46
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Goodbye forever Nokia....way to give your customers an option.

MasterZap 2011-02-11 11:47
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hintry (Post 941974)
Symbian will definitely be transitioned out.

MeeGo will be a hobby.
But is that *necessariy* a bad thing? The glory that is Maemo was born out of the "hobby" of the "internet tablet division" in Nokia.

If we can keep getting that, at least *I* will be happy.

The real problem is that Maemo/MeeGo is for smart people, and the world is simply too full of idiots! :(

In an ideal world? When you buy a Nokia phone, you get a choice of OS on it.

But Symbian should die horrible flaming death, it was great on my N95 but FFS it's 2011.

/Z

futtawuh 2011-02-11 11:48
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Ohwell, sad news indeed. Really like Maemo 5, even though it is a little...out of date(?)

Guess I'll just underclock my N900 and install the Windows theme from the repo and get used to the pain and suffering.

--Futtawuh ( A sad panda )

Ministeri 2011-02-11 11:48
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
“There is a pertinent story about a man who was working on an oil platform in the North Sea. He woke up one night from a loud explosion, which suddenly set his entire oil platform on fire. In mere moments, he was surrounded by flames. Through the smoke and heat, he barely made his way out of the chaos to the platform’s edge. When he looked down over the edge, all he could see were the dark, cold, foreboding Atlantic waters.

As the fire approached him, the man had mere seconds to react. He could stand on the platform, and inevitably be consumed by the burning flames. Or, he could plunge 30 meters in to the freezing waters. The man was standing upon a “burning platform,” and he needed to make a choice.

He decided to give up, he shot himself. It was unexpected."

SubCore 2011-02-11 11:49
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
This is the single, most stupid mistake they could have ever made!!!

i'm so angry right now...

ossipena 2011-02-11 11:54
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterZap (Post 942089)
But is that *necessariy* a bad thing? The glory that is Maemo was born out of the "hobby" of the "internet tablet division" in Nokia.

If we can keep getting that, at least *I* will be happy.

The real problem is that Maemo/MeeGo is for smart people, and the world is simply too full of idiots! :(

In an ideal world? When you buy a Nokia phone, you get a choice of OS on it.

But Symbian should die horrible flaming death, it was great on my N95 but FFS it's 2011.

/Z
on an other hand you are correct, but staying in marginal means that you have to either choose an os with developers working on it or stay in a similar boat than with n900.

imo future should be for progress, not things staying at the same.

Zekahz 2011-02-11 12:05
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
Part 2 of the soap has started....

http://www.nokia.com/press

Peet 2011-02-11 12:06
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 942083)
Quote:
niqbal said: Some sanity finally prevailed, I am glad at partnership with Microsoft.
There you go this guy can actually see clear !!!!.

You lot all need your head examined if you cannot see a migration of these 2 giants will and must come out trumps for everyone !.

Talk about what the intergration will actually mean instead of cursing and swearing Nokia.

(does this make me a fanboy?)

NO i got the sense to realise !!.
LOLCATZ

I think we can stop worrying about who will stay back to make sure the lights are off! :D

hotkolbas 2011-02-11 12:09
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 941659)
idiot Elop
what do you expect, that IDIOT came from MS. ya think he aint going to push a sale.

abill_uk 2011-02-11 12:10
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
[QUOTE=niqbal;942073]it was a huge mistake venturing away from Maemo and well Nokia is down the drain big time. Some sanity finally prevailed, I am glad at partnership with Microsoft. Some drawbacks yes but a lot of good, hopefully for best.

I personally think Nokia had no choice but to move away from Maemo AND Meego because the interest did not go the way Nokia had hoped it would, ok we all needed this to erupt into the best OS ever but it did not happen and you can thank the developers for this as they did not work as a team in my opinion.

I think this forum was invented to bring in some Linux genius,s but that obviously never happened as you must realise that Nokia would never move away from success, since when was Maemo a success?.

I live in reality not dreams and can see clearly what has gone wrong here but i agree with the latter of your comments.

abill_uk 2011-02-11 12:12
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peet (Post 942111)
LOLCATZ

I think we can stop worrying about who will stay back to make sure the lights are off! :D
I think your somewhat lame comments are just not based on reality at all.... time for a reality check perhaps????.

espux 2011-02-11 12:13
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quoting the press release:
"Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year."

I wonder what they mean by MeeGo-related, but I certainly hope it's a phone.

sponka 2011-02-11 12:13
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
[snip] Under the new strategy, MeeGo becomes an open-source, mobile operating system project. MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices, platforms and user experiences. Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year. [snip]

From http://www.nokia.com/press/press-rel...newsid=1488004

Meego tablet - probably yes, meego phone -- almost certainly not :(

Clubberlang 2011-02-11 12:14
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Boom goes the dynamite.

Ele-Mental 2011-02-11 12:18
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
I just hope nokia offers a Tegra 2 device and really makes use of the xbox feature in WP7.

leetnoob 2011-02-11 12:18
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hotkolbas (Post 942113)
what do you expect, that IDIOT came from MS. ya think he aint going to push a sale.
well, as a european all i can say is the americans certainly know how to do business ..

maxximuscool 2011-02-11 12:20
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by espux (Post 942117)
Quoting the press release:
"Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year."

I wonder what they mean by MeeGo-related, but I certainly hope it's a phone.
Phone or tablets does it really matter now? It will only be an experimental device and will have no support like N900, no bugs will be fixed or new funtionalities added in the future. What's the good of buying something that is dead before its even released? Your choice, I'm not gambling with Nokia no more. It's either iphone5, Droid or WebOS for me. Since no MeeGo then I'll take a bite of anything that have better support than shiity nokia unsupported devices.

Aranel 2011-02-11 12:29
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Maemo/MeeGo was the only reason for me to resist Nokia's stupid decisions and their "We don't care about you, customer." behaviour and looks like now it comes to end with N900. Most important question is; where are we going, now? WebOS? Android? or some other company with balls, to takeover MeeGo?

http://i55.tinypic.com/2yuzgog.jpg

ahjolinna 2011-02-11 12:30
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
http://img109.imageshack.us/i/elopwars.jpg/

vkv.raju 2011-02-11 12:33
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sponka (Post 942118)
[snip] Under the new strategy, MeeGo becomes an open-source, mobile operating system project. MeeGo will place increased emphasis on longer-term market exploration of next-generation devices, platforms and user experiences. Nokia still plans to ship a MeeGo-related product later this year. [snip]

From http://www.nokia.com/press/press-rel...newsid=1488004

Meego tablet - probably yes, meego phone -- almost certainly not :(
I say sshit!

Whitedeath 2011-02-11 12:35
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
n900 is my last nokia that for sure they are pissing me off they will lounch meego project xaxaxaxa i saw what project they make with n900 and now what ??

mjakl 2011-02-11 12:37
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 942134)
Phone or tablets does it really matter now? It will only be an experimental device and will have no support like N900, no bugs will be fixed or new funtionalities added in the future. What's the good of buying something that is dead before its even released? Your choice, I'm not gambling with Nokia no more. It's either iphone5, Droid or WebOS for me. Since no MeeGo then I'll take a bite of anything that have better support than shiity nokia unsupported devices.
Well, official support in quite unimportant. N900 has almost none and is still best phone on the market with best applications. Maybe i missed some other phone, but as far as I know N900 is only phone, where I can create vpn connection to server, run ssh with xwindows tunnel and run any GUI application on the server.

kevloral 2011-02-11 12:39
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ministeri (Post 941967)
This is not only bad for Nokia, also for the whole country of Finland.
Actually, it is bad not only for Finland, but for the whole of Europe.

patlak 2011-02-11 12:43
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonik (Post 941660)
Nokia stock is falling, - 10 per cent right now. Same thing is happening to all Finnish IT companies. There is a small panic going on in the Finnish market at the moment.
There you go, Nokia infiltrated by a MS spy with determination to establish partnership in order to drop Nokia price for a takeover, buy them, use only Nokia hardware for their OS and try yet again to monopolize.

andrewfblack 2011-02-11 12:45
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/rip-symbian/#

Looks like the money Nokia is going to pump into Meego and Symbian is so small they couldn't fit the name in the chart.

Rauha 2011-02-11 12:47
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kevloral (Post 942161)
Actually, it is bad not only for Finland, but for the whole of Europe.
Nokia is only 1,7% of finnish national GDP, even less of Europe.

Europe losing it's last stand on technology is of course sad. Ten years ago Ericsson and Nokia ruled mobile world supreme. All lost now thanks to decade of arrogance and hubris. Saddest thing is that MS didn't even have to buy Nokia. That way at least some capital would have flown to Europe. Ballmer's brilliant move gave the crown jewel of Europe's technology to MS for free.

Back to growing potatos I guess.

chill633 2011-02-11 12:48
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
So long and thanks for all the fish.

rash.m2k 2011-02-11 12:49
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
Elop the stupid *****! Does he really think WP7 will be able to topple Android?

What an idiot! Nokia could easily twist googles arm are and focus on making android what Nokia wants (or at least influence it ALOT).

One things for certain, I ain't gonna buy any shitty windows Nokia phone.

Period.

i'm just waiting for Meego.

BLIZZARD 2011-02-11 12:51
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
I just hope that nokia will release a meego phone every 1-2 years, or else it will be unpossible to feel another device like N900 :(.......unless another new real Linux Mobile OS come up (something thats really rare and possibly wont happen soon...:().

XiliX 2011-02-11 12:55
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
@blizzard
Not to be rude, but Android is a linux, isnt it?
Alltough its not as "free" as it should be..

Whitedeath 2011-02-11 12:55
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
i'm just waiting for Meego.[/QUOTE]

yeah when is release in 2015

__-_-_-__ 2011-02-11 12:58
Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 
time to sell all my nokia stocks!

MaddogG 2011-02-11 12:58
Re: breaking news:nokia partners with microsoft
 
@XiliX

Android has a Linux kernel, but it is not GNU/Linux .

http://guiodic.files.wordpress.com/2..._not_linux.png


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