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I posted this in another thread by mistake, it's been a confusing day so far. All the news is still sinking in, but at the moment I don't know who i feel more sorry for.

Is it the developers who were training up for MeeGo? Is it the Intel reps getting ready to show off their MeeGo wares at the MWC booths, after their major partner just dismissed it as a hobbyist platform and pretty insignifgant for the next few years. Is it the smaller companies like Neofonie who put their faith and limited resources in MeeGo by bringing us the first real commercial tablet WeTab. Is it the MeeGo bloggers who put their own money into travelling to MWC hoping to report some good news? Is it the volunteer MeeGO ambassadors, running their local groups all over the world? Job losses in Finland.. ok I could go on and on..

And it's not just Maemo/MeeGo, what about the E7 - now we know why the release was hastily brought forward a few days before this announcement. A great little phone undermined before it's even started selling. I thought that kind of nonsense would be gone under Elop.

Whatever the future, I don't regret owning a N900 and if MeeGo brings more of the same then I'll still be onboard for MeeGo.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

... you are a bit late... you have been left holding the bag...

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

2 questions. i wonder what Apple and Google are thinking after seeing this announcement.

maybe nothing because they don't see this as a threat ?? :) or changing their strategy a bit??

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

positioning themselves to take over the market? If only they had a low/mid range phone solution.

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lol.. It seems Nokia underestimated the performance and the boost iPhone and android phone got. From Symbia to Maemo to meego and now to windows... I just hope they learn from this experience and stay with or ahead of mobile technology next time.

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out of desperation, i sent an email to stephen.elop@nokia.com (just a wild guess on the email address) requesting the above.

the email hasn't bounced yet (been about 10minutes). ;) let's see if i can solicit a favourable reply. anyone else care to try? :)

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LOL so they partnered with the company which is the most experienced at missing the mobile market :D

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

Android is allready in mid-range. Flop allready said that it will take two years to transition into Microkia. With current speed, Android only needs maybe 6 months to take over mid-range completly. Especially since Symbian sales will tank after todays annoucement.

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Android is Google tech tht happens to use the linux kernel and that's it.

All the other stuff you expect from Linux distros and GPL/GNU/Open-source software just does not exist on android.

As a result porting existing linux-based software is impossible without the other supporting bits like the glibc libraries and the xorg libraries.

However, a chroot version of ubuntu is in the pipline for android - similar to easy debian which will give you more options.
(This is the bit I'm waiting for when I get a new device. Also bluetooth keyboards and mice or not supported in android)

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you have no idea how FRUSTRATING it was trying to tell Redmond how they were missing this boat YEARS ago. the product group was adamant that "customers were not complaining".

what were they smoking? there is a joke internally @ microsoft that if you want to make a successful new business, join the competition first.

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exactly why i didn't jump on the Android bandwagon and bought my N900. there is just no decent alternative out there........i'm fearing the worst - that a hacker's phone will become a thing of the past as consumerism takes over and people are reduced to lemmings who use locked down phones like the iPhone. :(

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Looks like all those angry PR1.3 people were right to be so. Nokia have yet again dropped the ball.

It's clear that Nokia have been given a large sack of cash to go Microsoft, by doing so Nokia has now lost even more customers. Seems Mr Elop doesn't actually understand how business work (TIP: Make customers happy not angry)

In a way I am glad I bought my N900, it's the best phone I have ever owned and in years to come I will be able to tell people "I used to own a N900, the best phone Nokia ever made" too bad I will then have to go on about how bad the support was and then tell them how Nokia went straight down the tubes thereafter.

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It is not about the current share of the GDP. It is about R&D. It is about the future of Europe as a technological powerhouse:

http://iri.jrc.ec.europa.eu/research...0/vol_II_1.pdf

See those €5,000 million invested by Nokia on R&D in 2010? They will be gone now. I wonder what Neelie Kroes is thinking today.

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... all of which your average user on the street, which has the $$$, gives a **** about...

official support unimportant ? so how are you going to modify the closed source parts of the OS ? or get access to services or content that is proprietary ?

get a grip, its this mentality like this that has driven Nokia into a ditch - its like you guys live on another planet or something...

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I've decided that I'm CEO material.

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Yay I get to keep my N900 for a few more years now without having to worry about "Upgrading". Im staying put until this sorts itself out somewhere along the way.

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NYSE is open now. Nokia shares falling nearly 9%:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=NOK

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We all are.


Even abill_uk.

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People dont seem to realise that smartphones are no longer aimed at you or I. they are aimed at the throwaway I have a fart app generation who will be convinced to buy the nokia windows phone purely because it comes with an exclusive rhianna music video.

We are a dying breed with little voice out there and that is why I doubt we will see any response in regards to opening up closed source parts of the n900 or future updates. But I would love to be proved wrong. If google/web os were smart they would take advantage of this disgruntlement and release an official port of there os for the n900 and others and try to get a few of us using their "ecosystem" as well as a little press.

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what will i buy next? Android probably.

i would still prefer to have a Meego device but after today's symphony of unmitigated cretinism i simply don't trust Nokia to execute it competently.

Meego no longer a platform = stupid stupid idea!
No QT on nokia Win7 phones = stupid stupid idea!

how does nokia manage to be this incompetent?

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

Intel have just released a statement on MeeGo, chippy has tweeted, and it'll be on Carrypad soon

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what will i buy next? Android probably.

i would still prefer to have a Meego device but after today's symphony of unmitigated cretinism i simply don't trust Nokia to execute it competently.

Meego no longer a platform = stupid stupid idea!
No QT on nokia Win7 phones = stupid stupid idea!

how does nokia manage to be this incompetent?

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Because the Nokia board of directors responsible for the decline of Nokia are still present on the board with a new CEO ex-microsoft director who is still loyal to Microsoft.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

Elop just said that some hardware that already was developed for Meego, is going to be used for windows phone

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

are you sure they're going to loose customer??

reading some italian forums I saw so many enthusiastic opinions...

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@MaddogG
Sorry, my mistake!
Now i can say: "I've learned something today" :)

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What I'm wondering:

Is W7 a smartphone OS at all? I know that the definition of smartphone is somewhat vague, no matter how you look at it. But there's a set of features that I simply expect in a smartphone, therefore they (for me) define a smartphone. These features are a combination of "what I expect from the computer-side of the smartphone" and "what I expect from the high end phone side". Examples: full multitasking, file system access, full controll of what can be shared (and how) via bluetooth/USB, copy/paste, freedom to install anything from any install-file you find on the web, video calls, MMS, ... Few smartphones have them all, but they have at least most of them. (And before you ask: No. I never considered any iPhone version a smartphone. Because of the features it lacks.)

Now W7 not only lacks some or many of these features. It lacks most or all of them, as far as I know. How come anyone calls it a smartphone-OS? What does W7 offer me as a (admittedly very demanding) consumer that S40 cannot provide? How can it compete with the platforms Nokia is about to abandon?

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Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

All those lessons learned from the N770 through til the modern day N900 because the maemo users lived and developed to push the project along the 5 steps, now being diverted into developing Nokia's new range of Windows handsets. That's cold.

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A sh**load of money, marketing and a phone company in cardiac arrest.

It's not competition it's euthenasia.


Nokia are replacing one limited OS with another. It makes no sense to normal people.

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youth in asia ?

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your criteria is wrong, you are thinking with a wrong mindset

A smartphone is a up market phone that the customer will pay more money for and the company can have a high margin on.

Thats it.

A commodity "dumb" phone is a phone that the customer will not pay much for and the company cannot earn high margins on.

Thats it.

So yes, the iphone was a VERY smart phone.

Do you think the company will give a **** whether a phone has multitasking etc or not if it can earn the same margin on a phone with it and on a phone without it.

And before you say the company's view point is irrelevant, it is the company that makes the phone.

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so much so for the promise and potential of meego, wait I vaguely remember feeling the same about Maemo a little over a year ago..

Distinct feeling of Déjà vu setting in...

Why Nokia???? Why????

I think you have now lost your most loyal customers as there really will be no way to tell you from the herd, you are just another HTC, Samsung, LG etc and you will need to catch up with the rest fast as they have bee working with big screens, amoled, fast processors for quite a while now!

No longer will the OS be a differentiating factor on deciding to buy a Nokia device..

So now that Meego will be another unsupported, one off Niche device what do people recommend as a follow up to the N900?

I do so love my n900 but it is getting long in the tooth...

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A person working for a company that makes mobile devices reducing Nokia's mobile phone market share.

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That's an expensive phone. Not a smart phone.

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

ermm... Im not sure if you are being sarcastic or not but have you looked at the active topics today? I hardly see loads of Topics praising the move to WP7.

Nokia is just making itself seem more and more generic by the day, I suppose my realy point is why should I now buy a Nokia phone? Before I might have done so for the open OS or maybe I liked Symbian... Either way there was a reason, now there is not. :(

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Its kinda smart. Of the unnamed companies that make smartphones with unreasonable high margins. like apple. :p

Re: Nokia CEO Elop lays groundwork for new strategy to be announced next month, a move away from meego? Hello WP7!!
 

... Dude you are on a forum filled with FOSS advocates.

Hardly representative of the general population, who wouldnt even know what FOSS IS.

I will not be surprised if some general consumers saw it as a good move as it seems to them Nokia is doing SOMETHING new rather then just mucking along.

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I don't need access to closed part of the system. HW is not changing so there is no need to change software conterpart also. And every relevant protocol is open. IMAP, SMTP, VPN, HTTP, SSH, etc.

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I don't think this decision is very rational, it seems Nokia is very much afraid of google.

I mean we'll see WP7 devices by the end of the year. I cannot believe that the meego people would not have been able to produce a superb OS by then. Including a good Ovi Maps implementation and lots of Qt apps. I mean android is not super-polished or perfect, nevertheless it sells.

To the end user Nokia's WP7 phones will not be different from others.
I mean the Ovi brand was not big, but it was developing, maybe not in the US, but in other places.

It really does not make much sense to me.