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MeeGo is already dead.
Heres a comment from ChrisatNokia from Nokia on http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...n#dsq-comments
The MeeGo-related device is an ‘opportunity to learn’ - So MeeGo is now step 5 out of 6?

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President Mubarak steps down at the same day Nokia-MS partnership..mmm
How is that related?

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There's 2 things I would like to add. I don't THINK I've read them yet- but it's a LONG thread.

It's possible microsoft have given nokia a sh*itload of cash to bin any further development of meego. That way they don't have an obviously better competitor against wp7 while they are trying to get that built up to an established level. ( who would buy a wp7 over a meego device if everything else is equal). So- Nokia, thinking about the money side of things, might have wieghed up- 1. Loads of cash for doing nothing, or 2. sinking loads of cash into something that might still not take off as expected.

The second idea is actually a positive one.....
WHAT IF- microsoft want to take meego, or bits of it, and use it on their wp7, or what is coming after wp7 ( wp8, or wingo or whatever), and that is why symbian and meego aren't getting any more money now, because there are dealings going on to what they can take and what they want to take etc. So, in a years time a 'wingo' device gets eleased that has meego as the basic ui that you boot up, then all the applications etc are microsoft things, developed to boot under meego. It will of course be painted differently and have M$ all over it, but i it's a meego shell then maybe it could be a good device?

Just a couple of ideas I had, nothing more than that................

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Let me correct this sheet:

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The partnership makes little sense. The market is clear in its message. WinMo7 is destined for failure and Elop is bent on taking an awesome company down with it.

WinMo7 is not even close to what Maemo was more than a year ago. It has absolutely nothing to show for in terms for its capability for high-end Enterprise/smartphone use. Current WinMo7 users are not high-end smartphone users.

Is Nokia thinking that it would be able to muscle changes to WinMo7? M$ requirements for manufactures go down to chassis specification. Its a sad day. There seems to be no end to how low Nokia is going in order to "take over" the US market. Most of Finland is probably reeling in shock and disbelief.

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Elop's phone

sudo gainroot
apt-get wp7 nokia
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done

dpkg: warning: this could result to a slow die of nokia

Do you want to continue [Y/y]? Y
(Reading stocks of nokia in the market -13%)

Grettings.

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It will be just half-baked in the same way as Maemo5 - for hobbyists only. No support, no new features, no future. Because if it has a future it threats the personal future of Elop - it can be clear he puts all money in wrong direction.

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What's most shocking is that MS have given Nokia "unique" access to the OS, allowing them to customise it and change its apperance. Great news, right? Nokia can have the benefits of the partnership AND retain identity AND give something new to consumers of the platform.

Except Elop has said Nokia won't take advantage of that unique access. I just can't get my head around it.

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Lol yea right, I can really see myself going into /media to find my sd card under M$.

Get real!

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So I don't get it, why NOKIA not doing as HTC, I mean focus on hardware and use all available OSs out there?
I think NOKIA is lost their focus when they entered OS "market", they done well on hardware one.
And I think this Elop thing was so expected when viewing it from average mind, he worked for MS and then went to NOKIA, what he did? innovate? no. Just use MS mobile OS because he worked there, WTF!

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Karmic balance. It's a cosmic conspiracy.

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hey- I did put a HUGE 'WHAT IF' at the top and say it was just a half baked idea myself, just putting those points out there that is a possibily. A very low probability, but a chance none the less.

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Android Market Allready has a "Nokia WP7 Emulator for Android". I kid you not!

Briliant App.

https://market.android.com/details?i...kiaWP7Emulator

https://ssl.gstatic.com/android/mark...48a3abf163eda1

https://ssl.gstatic.com/android/mark...7b6c7582c506a7

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Nokia execs should ask themselves this: As the pioneer of PC market, why IBM doesn't have any product in the PC market today?

This is the same situation. MS will create an 'ecosystem' with the help of Nokia. And then cheaper products from Asia will take over that ecosystem. It doesn't matter for Microsoft who licenses their OS after all. In the end MS will have a great share of mobile OSes but Nokia will be long forgotten. IBM had the chance to return mainframe computer business but Nokia doesn't even have that.

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Nokia deserves every single humiliation received. They ask for it.

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In his memo, Elop said a lot about the importance of ecosystems and getting to market quickly with a new or existing one.

So why has he joined with Microsoft, who don't have an ecosystem, a but an OS very, very much in its infancy? Maemo 5 is more developed than WP7. Elop and Ballmer also said today they've not got plans for a tablet on WP7. So WTF was all the talk about ecosystems if all he's done is sacrifice Nokia's own 'immature' system to go with another company's more immature system?

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What I'm wondering:

Is MeeGo vaporware that might never come out in a final, retail format? I know the definition of vaporware is somewhat vague no matter how you look at it. But to be considered vaporware and yet have shown off versions that run on the Nokia N900, is it still considered vaporware because it's not yet released with a full compliment of functionality? That, to me, defines vaporware.

Now, MeeGo not only lacked an official release, it also lacks a future as far as I know. What does an incomplete MeeGo offer me? How come everybody calls MeeGo the highend of Nokia when it's been relegated to nearly a hobby OS? How can it compete with the platforms Nokia needs to compete against?

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You just made my day :D

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It's because IBM chose to let it go. It's a classic business case study for business schools. This article covers it (but it has to be paid for): http://hbr.org/product/skate-to-wher...R0110D-PDF-ENG

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Having moved from an N900 to an Omnia 7,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:p

(well actually technically speaking I moved from an N900 to Android while moving from iPhone to Omnia 7, but whatever)

True, no Skype, but - the quality of the tentpole apps is in another league. And while limited with some glaring holes, the OS fit & finish is also already in another league in comparison to Maemo 5 - and you know how long Maemo has been in gestation. And because they're not catering for nerds who gloss past the issues of fit & finish, will probably stay that way instead of the stuff I had to work through in Maemo.

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Hey, I don't have precise numbers but from what I see here in New York City where I live (a city of over 8 million people), you can see everyone is using an iPhone, Android or Blackberry phone (In order of popularity). I have yet to see someone or know of someone who is using the new WP7 out of the thousands of people I know.

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Who is this guy? well, ban him ;)

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So Nokia just destroyed the reputation of their current line-up, and tell that maybe in 2012-2013 they'll have something better? What the **** is this, are they serious:rolleyes:

Are they trying to hit the stock price to make it cheaper to buy the whole company out with its patents etc?

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But, but, but, They are going to bring you "brands that mobile consumers want like Bing, Office, and XBox Live" -- Stephen Ballmer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe3ks...layer_embedded

I think the market is a great indicator of the success of this union. Losing over 10% in one day after an announcement that was meant to turn the company around is very telling. I don't really support a Frankenstein project like Android, but I bet if they had announced an Android partnership, the numbers would have jumped the other way.

Let's just hope Nokia can live long enough for Elop to get sh*t-canned.

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Apps aren't everything. Just look at the first very post on this page. WP7 lacks customisation, file access, copy/paste, multitasking and so on. Maemo 5 is much more flexible, much more open. Sure it lacks apps, but as a SYSTEM, what it offers is way, way ahead.

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:D:D

What a joke, Ballmer is funnier than Monty Python!

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What SYSTEM? Sure, it has all of those things but ultimately it doesn't get beyond a nerd toy because of a) the lack of competent apps and b) the lack of sometimes really basic fit & finish in the OS.

Openness means nothing when it doesn't generate anything worthwhile but me-too's. Look at Ubuntu. If you tell me it's better than Windows 7 for everyday productivity and usability, I'm laughing in your face (more economical? Sure, a better argument).

Hell, Symbian has IMO better multitasking than iOS. Does that make it a better SYSTEM? To most people, I'd say not.

The Maemo devices have been fantastic nerd toys. But that's all they've ever been. Where does the N900 platform actually lead in terms of what you can do with it? Emulators? As for me, I loved the Skype integration - which did work really well in chats with the way the multitasking worked. But ultimately, that's about all I really loved - as a user it appeared to have lots of the disadvantages of Android with none of the advantages, along with zero polish.

I just popped back here to read the feedback on the deal. Pretty much as I expected. I for one am hoping WP7 gets extended further as it's a solid if relatively undeveloped at this time (but once again, as I mentioned, already more developed where it matters than Maemo) mobile OS.

I wouldn't go as far as to say I'll be buying a Nokia WP7, but if they come out with something genuinely better than Samsung et al - sure.

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You're missing my point. Maemo is further ahead (not complete). If Nokia had not discontinued development for it and instead worked on that over this WP7 deal, they'd have far better chances. I said earlier on, if they'd continued with Maemo to get high-end phones out there, and worked on MeeGo simultaneously, they could have just phased Maemo out for MeeGo. Now Elop is still giving us a 2 year wait for a Nokia device (the single MeeGo one excluded), putting them further behind than if Maemo 5 or MeeGo had continued

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WOOO HOOO over -16.36% share loss!!
http://i.imgur.com/okFSz.jpg

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I had hoped that Nokia would became a company selling hand-held devices with open source software. But now all hope is lost. Maybe it wont be so bad. Maybe Maemo will still exist in the future and Nokia will have devices that run Maemo and Windows without problems, like our PC that run Windows and Linux distros. Only time will tell.

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Hey, the 90's called, they want their cynical, short-sighted view of open software back. If you don't understand how open software is important, then you have been living with your eyes closed. As far as everyday usability, perhaps you need to define exactly what usability is. I, for one, think that instant availability of a monstrous volume of free software is a huge usability bonus. Want to talk about an eco-system? Try perusing the Ubuntu or Debian apt repositories. It is also nice to have a file-system that actually makes sense and is completely accessible. Security is a pretty important aspect of usability, and no one can seriously argue that M$ has ever been able to deliver superior security to its users. It's also nice to have regular-rolling updates to your operating system along with easy access to news and feature updates. Of course there's the plethora of free "substitute software" for pretty much every single software product that Microsoft sells. There's also amazing FREE, OPEN virtualization solutions if you just really have to have a Non-free OS installed. Oh, and there's the whole universal deployability thing...

WP7 won't flourish, even with backing from a major manufacturer. There is already a tightly closed mobile OS in the market place, and the competition has an established and loyal user-base. Microsoft's attempt to get a serious slice of the mobile market is about as feeble as Apple trying to gain a significant share of the desktop market. The other guy already has what you have plus customers.

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Isn't 112 emergency number in EU-area, also in Finland?
Today is 11.2.

Reminds me of 9/11.

Should Finland now attack Afganistan, Sweden or some other country?

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ohmy. you guys are some dramaqueens. go put your middlefingers up in yer asses. this is not a "big thing" as it seems from your pity eyes. cheer up and wank with your n900. thats what i do. i love my nintendo900. Best phone in the world. period. ;)

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Haha, agreed! Some of those comments up there - I mean, really? 9/11??!! Come one, get real people!

I reckon the first release will be in the summer, what the N9 was going to be, which will basically be an E7 but with WP7 on it. Shame they actually just released the E7 with S^3. Seeing as it's got a "7" in the name, [I]that[I] is the phone that should have been the first WP7 phone!

I will be happy wanking with my N900 until some techie geeks with really hairy pubes cook up a quality MeeGo device, the N901.

Shame that will be in 2014 ;)

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Please post this pic to http://www.kuvaton.com/

BTW, does anyone think there is even a slight chance that Elop would get fired? You know, concidering the chrash in the market and the angry comments all over the media.

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Nokia with windows phone 7, is dead meat. Nokia its going down

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How's it not a big thing?
Nokia has killed it's biggest selling OS, so it won't sell very many this year - bye bye N8 and E7.
Nokia has already killed Maemo 5, so bye bye any chance of any high-end devices in the market at all.
Nokia has now killed MeeGo, the one thing that was seriously generating a lot of industry buzz, a lot of consumer hype, and had the capability to not just give us a new OS, but change how we use 'mobile' technology. That's the sort of thing that got Nokia to number one. It was precisely what it needed to retain that position.
Nokia has now joined Microsoft, a company that has repeatedly failed in the mobile phone market. A company that is renowned for mistakes, poor software, bad execution, bad security and so on. To top it off, WP7 isn't selling well at all, whatsoever, period. It is at the first stage of its infancy, without any of the basic features that we not only require, but that Nokia surpassed others with (like multitasking).

Worse still, Nokia aren't the exclusive manufacturers, so HTC etc can still make WP7 phones. They not only can, but are making them, so people will be developing brand loyalty already. Sure, Nokia's will have Ovi Maps and a few other things, but Elop said they won't change the design despite MS giving them permission, and that's the one thing Nokia should be jumping all over.

And to top it all off, not only has Nokia killed Symbian, Maemo and MeeGo, giving it no phones to release, Elop said we're looking at a year or two to actually see any Nokia WP7 phones. So what's that mean? Nokia with Symbian were selling countless handsets and, while losing marketshare, maintained their no. 1 position as handset manufacturer. But Nokia without any OS to sell means they will have nothing on the market. Or at least, nothing anyone will buy because hey, who wants a dead OS? So they're going to lose even more marketshare and much more rapidly than they are right now.

Then when they do get phones to market, who wants them? Look at this forum, the Nokia forum, the comments all over the internet, the share prices - everyone but Elop knows this is a bad idea. It's doomed to fail. If he could get phones to market next month, yeah, maybe it'd work. But in 2 years? Why would it? WP7 may have already failed by then, and if it succeeds, people will be happy with their HTC, Samsung WP7 phones. Nokia will have lost 12-24 months of marketshare and earnings, and how will they get that back? By offering the same system as the companies that stole it, but with Ovi maps? I doubt it. Elop should have demanded Nokia exclusivity to this, but MS wouldn't allow that because then it'd be 2 years before they saw any money on their OS. MS don't give a **** about Nokia, or who makes the phones for WP7, they don't need to.

MeeGo was set to arrive this year, and whether it arrived tomorrow or December 31st didn't matter, because it would arrive as a complete ecosystem, for high-end phones, in-car entertainment, set-top boxes and tablets. It would have finally allowed Nokia to say "Hey world, we're back, and look what we got with us!" and it would have given them a very, very strong position. People would have gone 'hey, look, that's a great UI, an open OS, and it can be used on my tv?! see ya Android, later iPhone.' Elop stressed the importance of an ecosystem, then ditched the one they're working on to join a system that doesn't have an ecosystem, has no plans to develop an ecosystem, and will take 2 years just to get phones out there.

This isn't bad?