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Hintry, how were you able to make it through the Ahonen piece? He rambles worse than I do. He was also dead wrong earlier, and his new piece completely lost me at this....

"Now the really silly part is to bleed all that profit in those three OS platforms. I will not be the first to say this, nor the last, but Nokia needs to kill off its OS platforms more quickly than that. Its now a journey into futility. Nobody believes in Nokia OS platforms anymore, they are the walking dead. Why develop them? Why maintain them? They now are only a drain. And those colleagues at Symbian and MeeGo units - shift away as soon as you can....
Which brings me to Microsoft again. Can you see the parallels? This is like Microsoft who owned DOS (that was overwhelmingly bigger than the Mac OS), and was about to switch to Windows (which would be equally much bigger than Mac OS years later) - and six months before Windows was to launch - and 90% of its development was complete - suddenly abandon it, and go with Macitosh OS instead.. I said on this blog a few days ago, that a change away from MeeGo and Symbian would be a decision by a psycopath, and I said it in jest because I could not see it happening. I am certain this move by Nokia will be seen as one of the classic biggest blunders in technology history...."

Huh? Which is it? Kill them off or don't kill them off??? :confused: He, like so many posters here, also refuses to acknowledge the reality that MeeGo is in no shape to step in (per his flawed analogy regarding MS "about to switch to Windows").

My favorite commentary was Microsoft and Nokia announce my dream partnership so why aren't you all happy? because while everything else published everywhere else and posted here has been either gloom and doom or ultra-heavy speculative analysis. this calmly listed all the strengths and advantages of Nokia phone hardware and explained all the strengths and advantages of WP7 software (which I wasn't familiar with before).

Your second link was awesome however, and explained all the crazed reactions to this. It also seems like a moving story to me... two rivals, fighting each other, both sides suffering, then realizing that time has passed them by and their glory days were allegedly behind them, now seeing a darker, evil, common enemy on the horizon, and deciding to team up together and battle one last time as allies against two juggernauts. It makes me misty-eyed. :o It's like a battered Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader teaming up to destroy Emperor Palpatine! Meanwhile in my mind it sounds like everyone else here is saying that if they waited a bit longer the Ewoks would have come and saved them. :p Maybe I've just read too many posts here today....

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I can! You see, if Nokia kept trying to make MeeGo there was never going to be MeeGo because before long there wouldn't be a Nokia. Now that there's no more MeeGo there's still a Nokia which means when there's really a market for MeeGo there may yet still be a MeeGo. Easy to follow? :D :D

It's like loving a book trilogy and hearing they're going to make movies out of it. The director hired for the first film is terrible and the leaked copy of the initial screenplay is even worse. In that case you hope the movie doesn't get made. If it gets made in its current state it will fail and the 2nd and 3rd movies will never get made. If the first movie doesn't get made, there's a chance someone else will eventually buy the rights and they'll make better writing and directing choices and all three movies will get made. MeeGo is the hastily written and not really finished screenplay that needs about seven more re-writes.

We had to destroy MeeGo in order to save it. :D A half-baked MeeGo phone will be the sure death of MeeGo. MeeGo being released when its done can only be good for MeeGo. Waiting around doing nothing while MeeGo is finished would be the death of Nokia and MeeGo, so they needed WP7.

That paragraph needs to be put in small print in the banner for this website. ;)

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I usually never read Tomi Ahonen, as I find him biased, long-winded and extremely annoying (he frequently adds "haha" to sentences). But in this case it's fascintating to observe how a die-hard Nokia evangelist has been impacted by the news.

In Tomi's defence I was touched by this post where he offers condolences and job-hunting advice to his former Nokia's colleagues.

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...of-advice.html

To Nokia colleagues being laid off or fearing for job survival - here a little bit of advice

It shows everyone's human I guess.

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http://i55.tinypic.com/1znvih3.jpg

:rolleyes:

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Kallasvuo and Nokia:
Strategy: incomprehensible
Innovation: lacking and dragging

Elop and Nokia:
Strategy: n/a
Innovation: n/a

In a way they solved the problems everyone was *****ing about, congrats.

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it's not a smartphone UI because it's not a smartphone.

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Resistance is futile...:D

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But there is a Stamp on the Box. You can read there that this is a smartphone. ;)

...okay, this kind of humor doesn't help... :(

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Haha, there's a shot that will be remembered (maybe not so fondly though).

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Considering who funds this site, I wonder if it is we who are standing on a burning platform.

I was always against relying so much on Nokia.

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Except that Ballmer is Emperor Palpatine, Elop is Darth Vader, and they're teaming up to destroy Luke Skywalker (Qt and Meego). So we're back to the old narrative (modern capitalism). Nothing new here.

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noteworthy bit of information: Stephen Elop is the 7th largest single person Microsoft shareholder, and own no Nokia stock whatsoever.
I hope legal action will be taken. it's not too late to undo this (ok probably it is, but one can dream)

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So there are some rumours going on that Nokia will publish its first WP7 phone at MWC. They have a press conference there tomorrow.

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interesting.

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everyone ctrl z or gtfo

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http://www.cinchcast.com/scobleizer/170737
interesting...

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And they "entered" the OS market when? Since last century, so they've lost focus for over a decade and now are only now starting to feel the effects?!?!

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The amount of opinions, information and disinformation is astonishing. E.g. Eldar Murtazin writes to his twitter account that Nokia will publish a Maemo 6 device instead of Meego. Who knows. He also wrote yesterday that Nokia will deliver an Android device next year. Sometimes he knows quite well, but quite often he's FOS.

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Didn't they, in fact, create the phone OS market when they co-founded Symbian Ltd. in 1998? (Together with Ericsson, Motorola, and Psion.)

Of course technically this might not have been the first phone OS, but was there any operating system for a phone that was independent of models/vendors and that developers could write applications for before this time? Any OS that was, you know, visible as such, had a name like "Windows" and "Unix", wasn't just unnamed bits and bytes in the ROM of the phone?

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The Ant and the Tadpole

Ant was becoming restless and needed a friend to play with. He looked into the pond and saw Tadpole swimming around, and thought, he's no fun. So he called his mate from the old tree stump, Beetle. They had been friends a while ago and enjoyed playing in the rotting tree stump, before Ant moved to the pond.
When Beetle finally arrived, they both decided it was time to drag Tadpole out of the pond. Ant bit Tadpole and really hurt him, then both Beetle and Ant picked Tadpole up and threw him into the grass behind them.
Ant and Beetle laughed and played together, on their own.
Tadpole was not dead. But he was badly hurt, and unfortunately, would never grow up to be a frog.

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Just wondering:

In this article you can read a lot about previous strategic partnerships Microsoft established... None of them seems to have been successful.

OTOH, Nokia proudly presented it's Qt/Symbian/MeeGo strategy not long ago. Only to change it again yesterday.

So what already happened in the past is:
a) Strategic partnerships with MS fail
b) Nokia changes its "long term strategy" fast and unexpectedly

Is there anything in this NoWin-deal that would make it different from either previous MS-deals or previous "long-term-strategies"? Can we seriously hope to see both Flop and NoWin gone again by 2013? Or do we have indications that this time it's different, this time the long-term-strategy will really be long-term?

I'm not asking what you'd hope for. I'd be interested in what people with some experience would think is more likely.

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Too late for CTRL+Z. The only remaining option is CTRL+ALT+DELETE. :(

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wtf are ppl saying persecute Elop

The board invited him in - blame the Nokia board instead

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It's almost dumb. It doesn't even has a software to support the hardware flash to get it working like a flashlight due to it's API limitation. It can't support any external video and audio codecs. It can't accept any external unsigned packages. It doesn't even have multitasking. There is only one thing that make it looks like a smartphone.And it is the very strong jailer that prevents us even from copying and pasting inside our phone.
Just my opinion.
I didn't see the Samsung and HTC there. The original MS minions developing windows mobile based phone from long ago.

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Clearly the Nokia board was both desperate and blinded by M$ dollars and paid no attention to any of that. Probably never even checked into it. Might've stayed with MeeGo if they had.

Well, you have 2 huge, powerful, cash-rich companies teaming up in a last-ditch effort to stay relevant in the mobile 21st century world. What's different now is both know that unlike prior efforts if this fails they may never get another shot. M$ in particular is nothing if not relentless, and has the cash to do whatever it takes to make WP7 a player. Like search and gaming, they can and will pour money into this until it gets traction.

There will be no more changing strategy or direction, just cash-backed dogged determination. M$ probably also put heavy fines against Nokia in the 'partnership' contract for early termination of the deal. Nokia is 'all in' with M$ now and likely not wearing protection.

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Step 5 of 5

http://img272.imagevenue.com/loc486/..._122_486lo.jpg

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This one made me LOL when I saw it at the shop. Tabloids today: http://twitpic.com/3yyrwc
"Beginning of the End"

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You know, the only difference between "Flop" and "Elop" is one horizontal bar. And Ballmer took back that one yesterday. I guess that was probably an IP issue and the bar on the fronthead belongs to the company from Redmond.

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Nokia said it expects 2011 and 2012 to be “transition years.” In the long term, it targets an adjusted operating margin at the device division of at least 10%. It was just above 11% in the latest quarter. Meanwhile, gross margins will decline as a result of the royalty payments to Microsoft (MSFT 27.25, -0.25, -0.91%) .

Source

So... nokia pays out royalty payments for ms products, and elop which we already found out as a major stakeholder gains profit :) LOL LOL LOL LOL

can i call this nokiagate ?

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"transition years" my arse.

2011: 'strategic partnership'
2012: Nokia becomes part of Microsoft

I'm getting a sim card for my old 3310

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WTF?!! Royalty payments? Oh dear, oh dear

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So, if I go and buy my girlfriend an E7 (when it comes to the States in 2019) it'll still be ok right? I mean it's not as if she even knows anything about anything when it comes to technology, she'll just be happy it's shiny, sexy, new and most importantly VERY expensive. It'll do everything she asks for in a phone device, and even if the Ovi store completely goes, and Ovi suite completely goes, she still will love the E7. So F it, I'm going to do it. Even if it's just to say in my heart of hearts, "I liked Nokia, and this agreement is utter BS."

Or am I crazy? ;)

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I agree with this part. It's make it or break it. If they don't succeed, it's going to be too late.

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maybe eldar is finally out from the loop and knows as much as we all do, trying to get more clicks....

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Eldar was always out from the loop, he was dabbling in wild speculations for years. But with his aggressive 'I know what I know, dare you to prove me wrong' approach, he used the same strategy astrologers and other charlatans use - throw out anything that you can think of, in 99% of the cases you'll be wrong, but the rest 1% of you being 'right' is all that people will remember...

He was a 'name' only in the eyes of the uninformed -_-

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I don't know if Slashdot's take on nokia's capitulation has been mentioned yet, but as you can expect, the ~100% support nokia had among geeks until the other day of elop's making ("which will live in infamy") appears to have been fully reversed. :rolleyes:

(I read with threshold 2 to keep profanities at minimum)

So, the old cashcow symbian is fscked and *all* gains gained among the trend-setters in the last several years have been pissed away overnight.

Smart move by the eloper guy to keep his ms stock while not investing any in the one company he set out to kneecap!

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I didn't pay much attention to the speculation of Elop/MS for his own profit. But, it does look that way. After all, there is NO reason why this strategy had to be unveilved, and i'm not talking WP7 - they could have gone WP7 as an extra line, as the spot of Maemo/MeeGo, until MeeGo comes along and then simply have 2 high-end OSs. That would not only win them more marketshare and sell more devices, it would put them ahead of the competition by being the big name they are and having two OSs, one open and one closed. It also wouldn't involve this 'transition' period where no one will buy Symbian. In fact, rather than have any loss at all, they would have everything they currently have AND a high-end line to boot. Win-win, surely?

The fact Elop said 'no, let's stop everything and just do WP7' is suspicious. And i'm aware he said they'll still make/sell Symbian, but i'm also aware, as everyone else here is, that no one will buy them now the development platform and the OS have been axed.

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At least we get funny pics thanks to this. :)

http://i.imgur.com/dMX1f.png

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hey guys I think Elop just joked about going wp7. Nokia will release two nice meego handsets at MWC and one tablet!! woho ;)