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droitwichgas 2011-02-17 19:01
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From this it seems even the porting of meego on to the N900 maybe in doubt as it seems not to have been confirmed at present?.

http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-...07.00.log.html

Although as work seems to have stopped on the nCDK, which I believe is the Medfield device hopefully work on the port to the N900 will continue but I assume that depends on Nokia intending releasing a meego handset at some point in the future?

redman 2011-02-17 19:13
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Excuse me for dropping in like this, but since Nokia is cuddling with Microsoft, I wonder how support for the N900 will turn out in the long run.

Of course they will support the phone for the next 3 years, but how about the development of new or current applications? Will Maemo continue if Nokia would drop out? Just my 2 cents on the matter.

And I hope someone could tell if there is a way to mirror the current "N900" repo's (for example by using rsync on a RHEL/Fedora/CentOS based system) ??

number41 2011-02-17 19:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 949093)
Actually, it's a car. They're part of the automobile consortium that's backing MeeGo, and they've been building the Nokia MeeGo car from the ground up. That's what's taking so long.
Makes sense. The tyre thing, and all.

Maybe they're gonna scrape that and produce windoze cars. Now that'd be something to give chills...

http://fhq.forumer.com/blogs/rsrikan...ill-gates.html

droitwichgas 2011-02-17 19:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redman (Post 949131)
Excuse me for dropping in like this, but since Nokia is cuddling with Microsoft, I wonder how support for the N900 will turn out in the long run.

Of course they will support the phone for the next 3 years, but how about the development of new or current applications? Will Maemo continue if Nokia would drop out? Just my 2 cents on the matter.

And I hope someone could tell if there is a way to mirror the current "N900" repo's (for example by using rsync on a RHEL/Fedora/CentOS based system) ??
What do you mean by "they will support the phone for the next 3 years" if you mean Nokia then you appear to have missed the fact that they are no longer supporting the N900 and so there will be no future firmware upgrades. However the Community have now taken over this aspect and so we should get upgrades as long as sufficent Developers/users are interested.

We may get a usable meego port this year but see my post a couple of posts further back on that subject.

Frappacino 2011-02-17 19:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by redman (Post 949131)
Of course they will support the phone for the next 3 years,
where did you get this idea from ?

n900 has effectively been EOLed by Nokia even before Elop's MS annoucement - thats why there is the community SSU.

zwer 2011-02-17 20:03
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Originally Posted by nephridium (Post 949062)
Before this surprise election last September who ever even heard of that guy Elop?
I remember him from the times when he gift-wrapped Macromedia and offered it on a silver plate to Adobe... I'm not insinuating anything...

nephridium 2011-02-17 20:57
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Originally Posted by zwer (Post 949161)
I remember him from the times when he gift-wrapped Macromedia and offered it on a silver plate to Adobe... I'm not insinuating anything...
He did, didn't he? - According to the very terse CV on Wikipedia he worked for Macromedia for 7 years and after three months being CEO sold it. The next two jobs he held for one and two years respectively. Let's see how long he'll stay at Nokia...

etuoyo 2011-02-17 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 949051)

I mean the N900 can't compete with iOS and Android fart apps crap - it's an intelligent device for intelligent people, how many people using iOS and Android can say they know about openOffice 3.1, debian, ssh, samba? Not many, sure there are a few who do, but percentage-wise about 10% or less is my guess.
Hmm. From your description it sounds more like a device for snobs.

mastac 2011-02-17 21:35
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Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 949209)
Hmm. From your description it sounds more like a device for snobs.
or a device for nerds

BigBadGuber! 2011-02-17 21:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pasih (Post 948989)
So, Jorma Ollila was in public yesterday explaining Nokia's situation. There really wasn't anything new he was saying, but here are some key points of his talk in tv and to the press.

1. He says that they had many options to choose from when thinking of the new OS, since during the last 6 months they've had many offers coming from different OS vendors, although he only mentioned Google and MS by name. He said that MS was the best choice. He also pointed out that it was Nokia who was calling the shots, and they chose MS.

2. They still have no idea how many people will lose their jobs in Finland, but that they'll find in coming weeks or months. I suppose that the amount of people getting kicked from MeeGo and Qt departments will probably really tell what's going to happen with MeeGo and Qt.

3. He says that during the last 9 months he has received zero pressure from any shareholders either in Finland or abroad on who to choose for the new CEO, but he said that he received some pressure to remove Olli-Pekka Kallasvuo on the spring of 2010. He didn't really comment on the rumours that he wanted to have Anssi Vanjoki as a CEO, but reading between the lines I'd say the rumours were not true.

4. He says that moving to MS software was a brave (and possibly one can translate it to risky as well) decision and that the shareholders have been very positive about it. It must be said that Nokia has made some drastic changes during its history, and Ollila clearly wanted to make this change to look as one, too.

5. He commented on Elop being a Trojan horse: "Nonsense".

6. He said that US has passed Finland and Europe on being on top of communication technology, and that Nokia couldn't offer the best overall experience when using a smartphone. Well, personally I can only say that Nokia itself fuqqed this one up, since they've used billions of euros on R'n'D but haven't really brought out innovation.

7. The interviewer did bring out the fact that Ollila has been the chairman of the board, and as such was partly responsible for Nokia's situation. Ollila practically said that iPhone changed the game with its user interface, and that overall the change in the smartphone industry has been exceptional and fast. He didn't really start blaming anyone, and said that there's no use of looking back, but that we should look into the future.

8. On Elop's burning platform analogue: he said that he's used that analogue himself earlier and that it's used to make the workers understand the need for change.

9. He said that Symbian will sell well during the time before Windows phones arrive. When he was asked why they had to tell about the Windows phone so much before the first one comes out he said that they had to tell it because cooperation between Nokia and MS will be so big that there was no choice (meaning probably that the word would come out pretty soon in any case).

10. And he said that one MeeGo-phone is going to be released. Unfortunately I don't think he really said anything more about MeeGo.


There possibly was more to his words, but this is what I remember. Ollila is pretty convincing, and I must personally admit that I'd wish he'd stayed as a CEO instead of Kallasvuod. But there's no denying that he's been chairman of the board during the last few years when Symbian was stagnating, and Nokia has been getting behind the competition.

But what can I say, Nokia is a corporation and Ollila is a shrewd businessman and Nokia is looking for a profit. In that sense I understand their MS-decision. On the other hand they could've achieved so much more during the last years, since I'm pretty sure their R'n'D has come up with great innovations in user interfaces and in the hardware. The shakeup was really needed but personally I wish they'd gone with MeeGo instead. It remains to be seen what happens with MeeGo.
This is a great post. He is a clever man. What happened at Nokia is no different than what happened at other companies content at their lead and unable to innovate. And he did the right thing of aligning with MS. Nokia is seriously fighting for survival and has become the butt of archaic OS jokes. To succeed they need a closed, and disciplined system that will generate profit. I have no doubt if successful, they will continue to support Meego and other projects. I dont think that the only beneficiary will be MS. I think that Nokia will continue to look for its own OS in the future, but they need to survive first.

rm42 2011-02-17 21:52
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Originally Posted by mastac (Post 949219)
or a device for nerds
Yes, it is a device for smart people. That is who it was targeted to. It was intended to attract developers. And from what I have seen, it did that quite well. (Of course, when dumb people wanted to buy it too, Nokia wouldn't say no to them either.)

rm42 2011-02-17 22:03
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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 949229)
This is a great post. He is a clever man. What happened at Nokia is no different than what happened at other companies content at their lead and unable to innovate. And he did the right thing of aligning with MS. Nokia is seriously fighting for survival and has become the butt of archaic OS jokes. To succeed they need a closed, and disciplined system that will generate profit. I have no doubt if successful, they will continue to support Meego and other projects. I dont think that the only beneficiary will be MS. I think that Nokia will continue to look for its own OS in the future, but they need to survive first.
Well, lets see. The first NWP7 device will not be on the market until some time in 2012, if everything goes well. In the mean time, they could have had one or two Meego devices to "fight" with.

Once they are done, they will have devices that sport an OS for which they will have to pay a fee for each device shipped, and one that the majority of the technophiles despise. Like it or not, Microsoft has accrued a lot of enemies over the years in the technology enthusiasts segment. So, who does that leave as prospective buyers? Buisnesses. Unfortunately for Nokia, the business segment is dominated by RIM, with Google being the strong new contender. Google Apps is being very well received among US businesses, including the Premier Edition. Guess, what OS and cloud services those businesses are going to prefer? And that is right now. How will the situation be by the time NWP7 devices hit the market? Yes, they will be "fighting", but they will be fighting for a very small piece of the pie.

Had they continued with their Meego strategy and maybe partnered with Google for cloud services, they would have a much bigger piece of the pie to credibly fight for. At least that is what I think. And, apparently, I am not alone.

richwhite 2011-02-17 22:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 949229)
This is a great post. He is a clever man. What happened at Nokia is no different than what happened at other companies content at their lead and unable to innovate. And he did the right thing of aligning with MS. Nokia is seriously fighting for survival and has become the butt of archaic OS jokes. To succeed they need a closed, and disciplined system that will generate profit. I have no doubt if successful, they will continue to support Meego and other projects. I dont think that the only beneficiary will be MS. I think that Nokia will continue to look for its own OS in the future, but they need to survive first.
I see your point, but it kind of takes the assumption Nokia were behind in the race. They weren't. Symbian becamse the world's second largest OS this quarter, outsold by a mere 2 million and that was by a bunch of vendors - Nokia remains the single largest handset manufacturer in the world. Did Nokia need to do something? Yes, of course. Primarily what they needed to do was actually advertise, before the N8's few ads i don't recall the last Nokia advert i saw in the UK. Second to that, Symbian needed an overhaul, which it has slightly had with S^3 but i'm left wondering why the menu structure isn't the same as that of Maemo, that would create a sense of freshness in an existing OS.

I would have no problem with the MS merger if it were done differently. As it stands, Nokia pays royalties to MS, MS gets Nokia's patent portfolio and some services like Maps etc, and any changes Nokia makes to the OS are usable by such makers as HTC and Samsung. Hmm. If Elop had said 'ok, we're going to keep Symbian for the low and mid end, and adopt WP7 for our high-end, while simultaneously developing MeeGo so when it's ready we will have two OSs on the market' i think most people would have been hugely welcoming, acknowleding the commitment Nokia has to Qt, MeeGo, Symbian, its users and its massive popularity the world over (Not just North America, which Elop and MS are after).

Your talk of survival is misleading, Nokia were surviving very well. Sure, profits were down, but they weren't in any danger of being surpassed in terms of units shipped. So they had plenty of time to change stuff. What they should have done is release Maemo 5 on more devices and support it as the top-end - lots of people love Maemo but don't like the bulk of the N900, they could easily have released a touch-only version without the HW keyboard. This would have generated more support for the platform, and simultaneously given Nokia a presence in the high-end race alongside Android and iPhone. Then, when the time was right, replace Maemo with MeeGo and wow the world.

The adopted strategy is flawed, massively. Symbian is being supported by Nokia, but devs and users will leave it. What about the Asian countries that make up a huge chunk of Nokia's userbase with feature and 'dumb' phones,where are they in this master plan? Nokia is just handing out its marketshare to competitors.

I fully agree Nokia needed to do something, and i would have no problem with WP7 if it were done in a way similar to what i said above. That would have covered all bases - keep the current marketshare, install confidence in devs and users, show commitment, have a long-term strategy with MeeGo, and an immediate solution with WP7. Nokia would have been laughing with that scenario.

xerxes2 2011-02-17 22:19
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Nokia is getting a lot of heat in swedish media right now. :D

Especially about the "burning platform memo" and that they should completely dump Symbian. On a question of who will buy a phone powered by a dead system a Nokia exec answered that people don't know that it's dead. WTF! All I can say is that Nokia has stepped on a lot of current Symbian users and scared off potential new ones.

rm42 2011-02-17 23:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 949248)
On a question of who will buy a phone powered by a dead system a Nokia exec answered that people don't know that it's dead.
This is so sad that it is funny. ;')

zimon 2011-02-17 23:15
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When Microsoft gets WP8 ready sometimes in 2012 or later, Nokia has bankrupted already.

xerxes2 2011-02-18 00:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 949289)
When Microsoft gets WP8 ready sometimes in 2012 or later, Nokia has bankrupted already.
And Elop will be back at his masters office in Redmond. Arrgh now I'm getting pi**ed again. :mad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLuq0lW50k

andrecg 2011-02-18 01:45
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See this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0p6OesUJEc

Now, answer: Why Nokia is joining to Microsoft?

gerbick 2011-02-18 02:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andrecg (Post 949375)
See this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0p6OesUJEc

Now, answer: Why Nokia is joining to Microsoft?
Because the handset OS wasn't ready enough. Moblin/tablet UI was/is ready.

Funklord 2011-02-18 02:42
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In the heat of battle, you can belive what ever you want.
But one thing is for sure, Maemo has the possibilty of trickling down, not just from being a mobile OS but since it's basically "just another linux distro" to taking over part of the laptop market.
I'm sure quite a few people in Redmond weren't very happy about that prospect.

Windows cannot run on arm, whilst linux can, you can bet on MS fighting this battle on any front available to them.

Frappacino 2011-02-18 02:42
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n900 is for smart ppl... unlike dumbasses like linus torvalds ...

... pity its the "dumb" ppl who have the money and are in charge then...

gerbick 2011-02-18 02:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Funklord (Post 949396)
Windows cannot run on arm, whilst linux can, you can bet on MS fighting this battle on any front available to them.
They showed full-blown Microsoft Windows running on ARM at the CES last month.

Funklord 2011-02-18 03:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 949404)
Irrelevant, the software people use isn't open source, so it doesn't run on arm.
Even if MS would take upon themselves to do something about it, a windows system includes much LESS software than a typical linux distro does.

Windows *might* be possible on arm by 2020, that is, if they manage to hire some good coders first.

nocain 2011-02-18 03:25
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I don't think the "meego product" that Ollila is going to have phone capability, not that it couldn't, just given MS normal business practices given the extent of the deal compaired to other handset makers they probably have a no compete clause for Windows phone products. Eg no new high end phone devices that could compete in the same market as the WP device. This would not effect symbian devices as they have been relegated to mid-range.

Also I don't think maemo 5 pre pr 1.3 could compete with other smartphone OS's with general users without heavy investment. Hey I played with some n900's and loved it, but that's the geek me, could my mom or wife use it without heavy frustration nope. The UI/UX was not refined enough for your average user. I don't know with pr 1.3 if that changed those aspects enough as I have not used it, nor have I seen anything in regards to maemo 6. What I have seen in videos etc for meego it looks like it solved that issue.

gerbick 2011-02-18 03:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Funklord (Post 949425)
Irrelevant, the software people use isn't open source, so it doesn't run on arm.
How so? You said Windows doesn't run on ARM, it apparently does.

You were wrong. Irrelevant or not, you were quite wrong on that part at least. And Windows Phone 7 runs on ARM.

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Even if MS would take upon themselves to do something about it, a windows system includes much LESS software than a typical linux distro does.
Not when they recompile everything that's using the x86 ISA to use the ARM ISA.

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Windows *might* be possible on arm by 2020, that is, if they manage to hire some good coders first.
It runs now. 2011. And if good coders were a prerequisite, then surprised that Nokia didn't put more on MeeGo to get it finished.

nocain 2011-02-18 03:41
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I still don't see why anyone but a die hard nokia fan would buy a symbian device given that it is to be abandoned. Any developers nokia had are probably pissed as nokia had a plan backed it for 18+ months the last time just over 2 months ago then bam nokia yanks the rug out from under them without any warning.

Now from a general user end, why would I buy a nokia windows phone? Given that they just discontinued a long standing platform of theirs and still borned another, how do I know they won't do it again in the future? I mean what if I get a windows phone a year from now and 18 months later nokia abandons MS how will my phone get updates? It's not like ms rolls it's updates straight to the users, it goes to the device manufacturers, they update things on their end test it, roll it up and either send it to the users or to the carriers for distribution. Is this a risk an informed average user would want to make? I doubt it.

Funklord 2011-02-18 03:45
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Windows phone 7 isn't windows, it's windows CE, BIG difference. it doesn't run software that you run on your home PC.
A lot of people have used variants of it since the 90's and it's always been a total dissapointment, not because of the available 3rd party software (there's plenty) but because it's basically always been a buggy POS that needs to be reinstalled more often than the PC versions of windows.
I'm pretty sure they could with some work run even windows 7 on arm, but, it still wouldn't be useful, since EVERYTHING for it is compiled for intel.

The marriage between intel+microsoft isn't going to end any time soon.

Funklord 2011-02-18 03:49
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I reiterate, the only technically sane OS, useful on ARM atm, is Linux.
Nothing else is even close.

gerbick 2011-02-18 03:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Funklord (Post 949431)
Windows phone 7 isn't windows
Don't make me link to that damn video again. It shows Windows 7, you know the desktop variety, recompiled to run on ARM.

Windows Phone 7 also runs on ARM.

You quite simply don't know what you're talking about. Years? They compiled that and said so in months. Better programmers... ok. No comment there.

But still... dude. You seriously haven't shown me that you know what you're talking about. Watch that boring video, watch MS show off Windows 7, talk about Windows 8 going ARM, and pay attention to how they're going to do it - and think about why.

nocain 2011-02-18 04:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Funklord (Post 949432)
I reiterate, the only technically sane OS, useful on ARM atm, is Linux.
Nothing else is even close.
Agreed but I will leave it as *nix based OS's are the only useful sane choices for ARM atm. Which is why outside of WP all ARM OS's coming out in the next year are. iOS=bsd, android=Linux, maemo/meego= Linux, WebOS=Linux, Blackberry QNX=unix, WP7=WinCE???WTF???

Peet 2011-02-18 05:48
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Since this MS/elop deal I've ceased to consider Nokia as a decent and well-intentioned company, but if they can still prove that their single sunset MeeGo phone is an open (i.e. fully community supportable since Nokia can't be trusted) and otherwise fine device and the MeeGo handset community doesn't commit harakiri in disgust, I just might consider buying it. Nokia is no longer worthy of paying a premium for it though!

And if any of the Korean or Taiwanese non-primary partners of MS release such a phone they will now be my primary preference. Ideally the Linux Foundation would certify products that can be supported (long term) by the community.

Neither I nor anyone I know could care less about having an "applet store" with a gazillion of possibly/likely insecure vanity apps snooping my private data as long as I get the basic features (which Nokia themselves could've provided with ease...)


edit: note to pasih

ericsson 2011-02-18 06:08
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My experience is that Nokia is by far the only manufacturer that is best at constantly shipping high quality HW. Things that last. My ranking is:
Nokia
Samsung
Motorola/SE
LG/HTC
ZTE/Huawei etc

Apple has too few different devices

All of them ships high quality from time to time.

If Nokia ships a nice WP with HW qwerty, I will probably get one.

nocain 2011-02-18 06:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pasih (Post 949453)
I would assume that MeeGo will be part of the "Extra investment to innovate new technologies", but who knows.
I think this is corporate speak for false hope to try not to drive away current developers and users. We keep hearing this line and the ******ed "future disruptions" line... Nothing that you develop in a *nix platform can be readily and easily moved to a Windows platform or the other way around. Not that it's not possible it's just hard and takes careful planning. And since MS's stuff is all silverlight/.net that makes it harder.

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I'd assume that they are not rolling over in front of Ballmer, and that probably MeeGo will be some sort of plan b in the future. But the union steward guy said during the last night's panel discussion that if NoWin-phones are a failure it will be really hard to bring people back to Symbian or MeeGo, since Elop described them as failure already.
This is how I feel, they made a plan and sold it for 18+ months, gained their current user and developer base buy in then with no warning in 2 months time basically said nope not doing any of that consider that dead, now 180 and hey all that stuff you bought bought was crap anyway, thanks for your money. Buy our Windows Phone stuff it be better, oh and by the way their be more symbian in the mean time so give us more money for stuff we won't support by next year. Umm thanks nokia, but no thanks.

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Nokia is practically saying that they'll bring out one product and after that there might be no future with MeeGo at all.
No just no future with nokia. The one thing about their meego device is that because of the nature of meego knowledgeable users can update it themselves to hold them over until another device comes out from a different manufacturer.

Peet 2011-02-18 07:01
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Originally Posted by pasih (Post 949472)
Personally I'd like to have a diverse eco-system on systems I buy, and it means that there's lot of development on it. It's nice to have all kinds of apps available since you never know what you might need.
You're absolutely right. Still, just like the proprietary and semi-proprietary OSes ship with a basic set of apps and features that are expected to be more secure and automatically update during the life cycle of the OS, MeeGo (or whatever it morphs into) should have similar a set.

And for many a well-designed basic set is simply enough. That's the kind of phone I would recommend to my 40+ year-old friends and relatives. 99% of them don't need fart apps (like kids might do) nor do they have the time or understanding to start evaluating thousands, let alone tens of thousands of apps often of relatively suspicious origin. It's still by and large an untapped market.

Same with the enterprise market. They need security and (in-house) custom apps, both easily provided by MeeGo, rather than access to a sprawling fishy app jungle.

With MeeGo Nokia could've offered their services package as a default offering available to any generic phonemaker using standard MeeGo and it's not difficult to offer more generous revenue-sharing terms than Apple or Google.

lma 2011-02-18 08:07
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Originally Posted by Funklord (Post 949432)
I reiterate, the only technically sane OS, useful on ARM atm, is Linux.
Nothing else is even close.
s/, useful on ARM atm,// (though I might include the *BSDs).

lma 2011-02-18 08:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nocain (Post 949436)
Agreed but I will leave it as *nix based OS's are the only useful sane choices for ARM atm. Which is why outside of WP all ARM OS's coming out in the next year are.
That's a true statement regardless of architecture. Apart from Windows the only even slightly "mainstream" OS that isn't *nixy is Symbian.

turbowei 2011-02-18 08:19
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Man, so many children talks. Stupid stuff like Windows doesn't run on Arms. Where are the adults?

redman 2011-02-18 08:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 949141)
What do you mean by "they will support the phone for the next 3 years" ...
Sorry, my bad. I meant that when a product isn't available anymore, companies normally offer support for some years (I wrote 3 as a random number, not as being a fact).


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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 949143)
n900 has effectively been EOLed by Nokia even before Elop's MS annoucement - thats why there is the community SSU.
The community SSU is new for me, I will catch up. Thanks for the pointer!

turbowei 2011-02-18 08:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turbowei (Post 949515)
Man, so many children talks. Stupid stuff like Windows doesn't run on Arms. Where are the adults?
to start a more adult like conversation, let me ask


what is gonna be Nokia's tablet OS?


the new mobile fad now is not smart phone, it is the tablet. windows doesnt have a tablet solution yet. what is nokia gonna do?

slender 2011-02-18 08:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turbowei (Post 949527)
...what is nokia gonna do?
Giving us _amaaaazing_ bing(reminds me of this sound) and xbox360 experience also zune. Please remember to buy only MS certificated devices.

They just ditched all that multi platform pointless dreaming and started to do what apple did in year 2007. Android and chrome OS are doing just stupid things like going to tabletīs and TV thatīs just so stupid and not wise thing to do, probably google is going to announce next something as stupid as in vehicle OS. *sigh*

/sarcasm


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