Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

1. The best UI man in the business is in charge of Nokia's MeeGo UI and Services.

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2. A huge workforce full of fresh new minds is busy pulling it all together behind the scenes right now.

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3. No news is good news. I remember the huge amount of speculation before the first iPhone was announced. MeeGo has a similarly high level of anticipation.

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Some good news that should calm some of your nerves and has not been reported by any major blogs thus far is the amount of ex-Palm people currently working on MeeGo and New Symbian at Nokia.

Matt Crowley , former Director of Product Management in the Palm Phone, now the current Director of Product Management at Nokia
Karl Townsend , former chief architect, the founder of Palm and Handspring employee, now Distinguished Hardware Architect at Nokia
Phil McClendon , former Director of Product Management for Palm, currently Senior Product Marketing Manager, Messaging Nokia.
Radhika Sarang , former Senior Product Manager at Palm, currently Senior Product Marketing Manager at Nokia
Rob Haitani , former director of product marketing at Handspring, and Product Design Architect at Palm is currently Distinguished UI/UX Architect at Nokia.

4. The intentionally vague statement: “Nokia must compete on ecosystem to ecosystem basis. In addition to great device experiences we must build, catalyse or join a competitive ecosystem. And the ecosystem approach we select must be comprehensive and cover a wide range of utilities and services that customers expect today and anticipate in the future.”

“Whatever the strategy is we outline on Feb. 11, we very clearly ensuring that it will give us the opportunity to reopen markets such as the U.S. and some others, where we have not recently been present.”

They are currently building that ecosystem around Qt and OVI services. What he may announce are new partnerships similar to their Yahoo/OVI Mail deal for things like entertainment related apps and partnerships for the US market. Once the new Symbian UI, QtWebkit browser and MeeGo is released, it will hopefully act as a catalyst that draws in new developers but it's not the only carrot ... This is the ecosystem that needs to deliver results. They won't jump ship to any other OS or ecosystem unless MeeGo fails to gain traction (which is highly unlikely).

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http://conference2010.meego.com/site...em_publish.pdf


5. Qt is starting to gain a lot of momentum. Qt SDK 1.1 Technology Preview has just been released. It has already been ported to Android and iOS. Developers are also already starting to do cool things with it. If Qt can draw in enough developers attracted by the advantages of true cross-platform development then it can be notched down as another catalysing win for the Qt ecosystem. I think what will happen once Qt SDK 1.1 final release is out, is a large marketing drive to woo developers over to the advantages of using Qt. Nokia still control 1/3rd of the global smartphone market. They are working to fix their shortcomings. The sky hasn't fallen yet.

Qt Quick on a Samsung Galaxy Tab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtA_7kaB-0g

Qt Mobility on iOS (iPod touch 4G)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL_6a5Zwpb4

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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sourc...ntu-linux/8102

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https://projects.forum.nokia.com/twimgo


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http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/01/20/...view-released/

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https://projects.forum.nokia.com/turntable

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https://projects.forum.nokia.com/quickhit

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

good reading material there, thanks for taking the time to make an informative post.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Nice Post You could certainly Learn the so called Journo's a thing or two about presenting the Facts.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

I think some "journalists" do it on purpose to mess with people's heads though. It's called FUD for a reason :p

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

More speculation to the Palm mix:

http://opensource.palm.com/2.0.0/index.html

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.../repos/source/

What if WebOS went MeeGo-based? Awesome amount of shared components and challenges.

(This is my own private speculation and I'm honestly wondering why HP Palm -wouldn't- join MeeGo. Similar challenges, similar codebase, similar targets in terms of hardware)

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Excellent points. The only people who seem to be screaming for Nokia to ditch everything for Android or WP7 are certain American Tech journos/bloggers, who are very blinkered.

I really don't expect Meego to be dumped by Nokia as they are too far down the road with it. I think over the next 13-18 months meego will crop up everywhere. I actually expect to see the likes of HTC release Meego handsets.

Elop's key point for me was how the industry has clustered around the ecosystems in the last 2/3 years with the iTunes/iOS devices and Google/Android. Whilst Nokia has Ovi which is doing well, it is not yet slick enough or compelling enough for a lot of people, even on Symbian^3, which surprised me to be honest.

One of the key challenges for Nokia is to polish everything surrounding Ovi up, and get everything working out of the box with it, and with anything else which may be needed.

Make no mistake, if Meego gets enough market penetration, Google will offer their systems for it (such as mail, maps etc) as they are a marketing/advertising corp, and want as much data as they can get to analyse and push products and services (ads) to. Android is just an Ad platform like google maps or mail. More user data means more and better targetted advertising, and more cash for Google. Google don't really care about what OS or phone they use.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

This **** again?

American this, American that. Please point out to folks what should be source of this information? It takes an enterprising soul such as Maluka to combine this stuff... and it takes a completely daft person to believe each and everything any American blog says as the complete truth.

Bias is everywhere. Show me an European site of your choice - I don't even care what language you pick - that should be the unbiased place for all of this information.

I'm horribly sick and tired of this type of repeated banter. Ever thought of who might be the most responsible problem for your opinion? The company with the information not sharing any or the blog (don't say journalists, anybody with half a brain knows that it isn't true journalism) that spews forth sensationalistic misconceptions based on leaked or rumored information?

Seriously folks. If everything is so bad in America, please stop going to their blogs. Only read your own. Or better yet, get your blogs to be as prominent as you think Engadget and Gizmodo are.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

I agree on that. However there is one option Elop could look into: Issue a few Google (Android) phones (Nexus 3) for the U.S market. Get in return Google's commitment for deep gmail / calendar integration with Meego and Symbian. Only problem: how to do (temporary) Android without too much damage to Ovi / Symbian / Meego? Maybe the solution is Qt for Android?

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Yes it could infact be true :D dont forget that Jaaksi joined HP and Skillman Nokia a merge of those OS:es would be a win for all sides is my guess :D

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

iOS or Android will be defeated!!!

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Android outsells iOS already. iOS outsells Maemo. Symbian outsold them both.

I doubt there will be a combination of WebOS + MeeGo; however they do share similar hardware though.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

I agree. If it was going to happen, it would have happened already. I do think there's a chance they might have a closer look at Qt if it gains enough traction though, especially if it gains more traction than new WebOS devices.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

I was thinking about the same thing. I don't think meego and webos cores are very different, and Palm can use their UI on top of meego. This way they can focus more on features , application store, user interface and just take the low end core, not to mention qt applications that will probably been build for nokia meego devices that will work on palm devices too. It's a win -win situation for both companies(Nokia and Palm/HP)

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My faith in Nokia and Meego is rekindled once more by this, even if it's still all speculation.

It shouldn't be THAT hard to be able to incorporate/hack/run Android apps and even the Android market on Meego?

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Well well well :) Read the other day about marketing and cars. I think the article/blog was from 2006 or something. The dude discussed the market share of different european cars in the USA. He came to the conclusion that since VW was declining rapidly in the US, it could only mean that VW soon would hit the wall in Europe due to lack of mind share and identity.

Such "analysis" as the one above surely is rediculous, and it is easy to see it, yeat the US analysis of the phone market is similar but worse. First of all, the US doesn't have a phone market. The market in the US is ruled by operators, treating customers as puppets, and for some odd reason, the customers simply abide. Second, the markets for phones are also very different within Europe, and Europe is very different from Asia and so on. Simply put, what is going on in the US has practically no effect elsewhere. Everyone knows this except americans by the looks of it. The rise of Android and Apple globally, is due to excellent global marketing by Apple and Google, and this include detailed understanding of the vareous markets, and the will to pursue these markets. Being based in the US, it is only natural they went for the home market first.

One has to speculate why there are so many US bloggers when there aren't even a real market for phones. Maybe that is the reason, I don't know, it is strange for sure.

But one thing is certain, reading any kind of US based analysis and prediction of the market for phones is simply laughable, and it is getting boring boring boring.

So, how will Nokia attack the US market? It is impossible, because there is no market. There is no market to enter, there is nothing to attack. The only way in, is to go to bed with some operator.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Apologies for tarring every american with such a generalising brush...

but the opinion that Nokia is doomed, if not already dead and buried is largely from tech blogs and journos in the USA. Here are 2 from a 5 seconds google. Yes there are others, one vocal russian blogger in particular has turned on Nokia in recent months as well.
I do take them with a pinch of salt, but people I know do and have read them and commented to me about them.
I can't even be bothered to link anything from Gizmodo....

http://www.businessweek.com/blogs/europeinsight/archives/2009/09/is_nokia_already_dead_in_us_market.html

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2010/07...us-go-android/

That's not to say I think Nokia is perfect. I think everyone here appreciates that Nokia has work to do, especially following the N900 experience, which is largely outside even the Ovi ecosystem, and poorly supported by Nokia compared to lowend symbian devices even.

For the record, I do tend to stick to mainly UK based blogs, especially regarding mobile tech. the phonesshow tends to be the choice for me, and always seems reasonably balanced.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

what android apps?? I have heard this zillions times before still no one says what apps in market is sooo important and can not already be ported to qtquick?

meego should not have dalvik it will just kill the infrastruce in meego and its not that simple to port dalvik. different platform different UI etc..

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

I think it's enough to just look at games available in Android.

Do you own an Android device? Have you used one for more than a couple of hours?

I have an HTC Desire HD for only 3 weeks now and I would not go back to the N900, even if you could overclock it to 2GHz and install Meego on it with FULL support for life from Nokia.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Yes!! Let's exercise a little restraint and just pick one to beat!

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

I feel quite the opposite. I am posting this from my galaxy tab, and honestly I feel like the os should be switched. I would love to have Maemo on my tablet as I feel it is capable of more. Android is ok, but I am very much not impressed, and I would not have it on my next phone. I am not ready to give up my N900 without a better replacement.

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BANG ON!!
And thats why I prefer to stay away from Android as much as possible.

(off-topic?) Google has been recently testing with picture ads in their gmail service. Fast forward to the future, the same will happen to android running phones (or personal ad boxes?).

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

I feel the same way. I've had my Nook Color rooted for well over a month now and I'm more frustrated by it's limitations than impressed. It's a step backwards from Maemo, Symbian^3 or jailbroken iOS for my personal needs.

I do think Qt on Android is important though because Android is not going away. More developers are targeting Android and iOS than Symbian^3 and Maemo/MeeGo currently. That fact won't change soon either. A developer would be smart to use Qt since it would allow his/her apps to target a wider rage of operation systems without rewriting the entire codebase. Qt's success will ensure MeeGo's success.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Block ads on your Android phone

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=664532

I also don't see ANY ads on my Gmail at all.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

It would be great if you could get Marko Ahtisaari's Le Web speech in here somewhere, and his comment 'bout MeeGo betting on differences between the competition. You can't bet on differences if you change to the same system everyone else uses.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

there will be no move away from MeeGo/QT - what i fear is that Nokia will do something extremely stupid and move to Intel's Atom x86 platform.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

this could give us Wine and windows stuff on or handsets. for me it would be great.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

What about a Nokia commercial or two on television...remind people what Nokia is :p

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

I am sure Elop and Company have a plan for just that, but first Nokia phones have to be made available to the public with the same subsidies as other brands. The only way to do that is for Nokia to go to bed with someone, an operator or two and maybe HP/MS/Google who knows.

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Nokia N8 in Tron..

http://www.youtube.com/rogershdphones

Re: Why I think Nokia CEO Elop will not move away from Symbian/MeeGo Qt strategy
 

Yes, that was pretty cool lol.