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v13 2011-02-14 20:09

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
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Originally Posted by cBeam (Post 946400)
Who could buy Nokia?

Nokia's market cap is currently about 33 B USD.

Correct my if I'm wrong but one doesn't need to buy all shares to own Nokia or dictate its strategy.

I mean, if Intel wanted to jump in, it would only need to spend only part of the 33B USD. Right?

cBeam 2011-02-14 20:17

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
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Originally Posted by v13 (Post 946412)
Correct my if I'm wrong but one doesn't need to buy all shares to own Nokia or dictate its strategy.

I mean, if Intel wanted to jump in, it would only need to spend only part of the 33B USD. Right?

It depends, but it is much more complicated than that. It could be a an acquisition, it could be a merger, there could be many complex financial transactions involved.

All I say that if one of the major players is interested, Nokia is now at a market value where it gets difficult for them to defend their independence (or what's left of their independence).

geneven 2011-02-14 20:44

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
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Originally Posted by cBeam (Post 946283)
Gerbick, I know there is no way to get a straight answer from you what your point is, but maybe you can explain:
  • Nokia stock is on a downward trajectory since 2007
  • A new CEO is brought in, presumably to reverse the downward trend
  • Nokia shares gain slightly over the next few months (from about $8.50 to about $11.50, which is about plus 35% from worst to best)
  • CEO introduces his new strategy and stock is down 20% within 2 days (actually more than 25% if you include the drop in share price on Thursday right before the new strategy was revealed)

In the meantime, the tech heavy Nasdaq Composite index is up more than 25% within the last 6 months.

What did Nokia management do to increase shareholder value?
What did Elop do differently to comfort the markets?

If Microsoft is not the plague for Nokia, why does the market think that they have to cut 20% off Nokia's value within 2 trading days after announcement of the new strategy?

Is the market just wrong? Or is the market right and tells us "too little, too late, wrong direction"?

My answer to this question that isn't addressed to me is that Nokia finally made it obvious that they were having dire problems, so the stock fell a bunch. If they had made the same information clear and gone all Meego, the same drop would have occurred. If they had done virtually anything, the same drop would have occurred.

I'm ceasing to be a Nokia customer no matter what happens to the stock, but I expect the stock price to swing back and am wondering if I should buy some about now, just for fun...

Sopwith 2011-02-14 20:59

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cBeam (Post 946400)
Who could buy Nokia?

Nokia's market cap is currently about 33 B USD.

Total Cash (from balance sheet, most recent quarter):

Microsoft Corp: 40.0 B
Oracle: 24.8 B
Intel Corporation: 21.8 B
Hewlett Packard: 10.9 B
...

Well, HP already bought Palm, so they probably don't want Nokia, but wouldn't it be fun if Intel used all of its liquid assets to acquire a control package of Nokia's shares, and then fired the current board and CEO and forced Nokia to use MeeGo :p

cBeam 2011-02-14 21:27

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 946455)
Well, HP already bought Palm, so they probably don't want Nokia, but wouldn't it be fun if Intel used all of its liquid assets to acquire a control package of Nokia's shares, and then fired the current board and CEO and forced Nokia to use MeeGo :p

HP does have the Linux based WebOS, but no market share in mobile phones or tablets. Does Qt fit WebOS?
Putting WebOS on Nokia phones would give them immediate substantial market share.
HP's CEO (Leo Apotheker) is German.
HP is the biggest PC maker, Nokia (still) the biggest phone maker.

exo 2011-02-15 01:13

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
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Originally Posted by KaiRo (Post 944171)
cfh11:
It's true that MeeGo isn't ready for prime time, but it will be at least as long to get WP7 ready for prime time _and_ adapted for Nokia phones (which, IIRC, still need to be built with the AFAIK required Intel CPU).

WP7 runs on ARM.

windows7 2011-02-15 02:05

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
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Originally Posted by txh (Post 946017)
Read more on this topic on gsm arena here: http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_doesnt...-news-2322.php

I think the content of the post in that link says it all...

In brief, it looks to me, that the nokia CEO was planning to give a better return of investment to the shareholders by sacking the Nokia developers, and then going to purchase windows mobile from Microsoft, where interestingly enough the Nokia CEO is also the 7th biggest shareholder. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong?

mikecomputing 2011-02-15 02:22

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 946455)
Well, HP already bought Palm, so they probably don't want Nokia, but wouldn't it be fun if Intel used all of its liquid assets to acquire a control package of Nokia's shares, and then fired the current board and CEO and forced Nokia to use MeeGo :p

dream on that would be a strategyck mistake by intel. remember theyr mainly a shipmanufactor not a sw company. they also want android and wp7 used on they cpu/gpu

mikecomputing 2011-02-15 02:24

Re: Microsoft is the plague: Nokia stock drops 14% as 1,000 employees walk out
 
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Originally Posted by cBeam (Post 946480)
HP does have the Linux based WebOS, but no market share in mobile phones or tablets. Does Qt fit WebOS?
Putting WebOS on Nokia phones would give them immediate substantial market share.
HP's CEO (Leo Apotheker) is German.
HP is the biggest PC maker, Nokia (still) the biggest phone maker.

hmm wasnt the plan webos should merge with meego 2012?

somedude 2011-02-15 02:33

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