Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I gotta disagree here. Apple has never, ever listened to what their customers "really" wanted. There have been massive protests for a two button mouse, for a tower Mac (something less expensive than the utterly ridiculous Mac Pro), for better or more flexible hardware in general (going back years). The Apple Remote Control has a grand total of 6 buttons on it (used to be just 5), what consumer would have ever asked for that?

No, Steve Jobs has put the focus for Apple onto a relatively small stable of devices designed in a very particular manner. The iPhone is popular not because it is the epitome of what every customer wants; unlike other devices that try to satisfy as many expectations of as many consumers as possible, the iPhone instead tries to be the perfect extension of the Apple philosophy into the world of the cellphone. As with many other Apple products, it succeeds not by doing more things, but by doing a few things very well.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Microsoft: Good boy Nokia Good boy..Roll over.. Sit Nokia Sit...Good boy.
Nokia: Woof Woof Wooof....
Apple: *Crunch Crunch* pop corn please...
Google Android: Lol A man and his dog trying to rule the world.. *Idiots*

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Well, the original Harmattan device was supposed to be launched a few months ago and apparently was cancelled because the hardware wasn't up to scratch.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Interesting. Apparently you know better than I what I choose and what I do not choose.

What is your point? Try to state your point in a few clear sentences if you are able to. Thank you.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Wow.

Where did you get that!?

How about this. You're 100% right about everything. Always.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

MeeGo- The last hope:
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/02/int...ctured-at-mwc/ :confused::confused:

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Zune is absolutely not a fail. The fact that you think it is calls into question any assertion about Microsoft you could make.

Zune marketplace has actually recently been gaining considerably on iTunes and will only increase in the future.

WIndows Mobile 6.5 isn't the best thing Microsoft has produced, but it certainly didn't fail by any stretch.

The rest... meh.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Thanks, I knew that before.

Now do you have a point or not? Seems like "or not" to me.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Nokia should never have dumped Maemo, they should have kept up development and in fact pushed it into much higher heights. And they did this for what? Meego..... oh dear something never happened or even got off the ground and they already have Maemo even if half baked is still a hell of a lot further than the dream of Meego.

Me thinks Nokia need to go see the quack lol.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Cool it cBeam cos if you think your gonna get a straight answer out of gerby ... ha ha good luck lol.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I have no point whatsoever.

Nokia is the best. They've been on a ascension since 2007, Microsoft is evil. And MeeGo is 100% finished.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

You sure as hell got that one right Gerby !!! am with you now hahaha.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Come on Ysss you in here... and? .............

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Might sound silly, but I really hope what ever Nokia are going to be doing that the maemo community will still be going strong for years to come.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Maybe Gerble ysss and me aught ta go work at Nokia for a bit aye.... at least we would rustle the bastards lol.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Can't rustle a person that really doesn't care too much about silly words nor notions where... well, you value being more right then correct.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Think the word your looking for is ARGUMENTATIVE gerby :rolleyes:

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I just came back from Nokia's office in Finland and i see someone has hung a sign up on the toilet door that says ..... The Maemo and MeeGo Development Room.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

...and I'll chime in if I think I can contribute something new and useful to the discussion :)



That actually sounds believable. Pics!

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Ysss you only have to fart to do that lol. ;)

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I guess we can all hope that Microsoft has given billions of dollars to Nokia, and that it turns out Nokia doesn't know how to make hardware anymore either!

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

So, after all this talk, there is one thing that eludes me: why discontinuing Maemo?

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

if nokia was smart they woulda had harmattan to market on an n9 device last fall.

or even E7.

symbian 3 was a total waste of dev time, they should have stuck with s40 for the kiddie phones and made various flavors of harmattan on all of their E and N series devices. no reason it cant have a lightweight ui for the midrange phones

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

iOS id.

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Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

On Friday he said Nokia engineers had already been working with Microsoft engineers a couple of months yet on sunday he said the decision to go WP was only made Thursday lol.
The decision in his mind was made long time ago, what he really should of said was he only convinced other on Thursday to get green light

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Random troll thought...

Who is going to provide support for Nokia WP 7 devices? I mean Nokia's staff doesn't have a clue . Are they gonna train them or they will hire MS employees? :D

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

They'll probably do what most people do, I'm guessing they will just be forwarded to some kind of WP7 helpdesk if it's a software related problem or Nokia themselves if it's hardware related.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

what markets are you talking about?

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Well, thats the Evil side of a public owned corporation:

Finnish Newspaper Reports That American Investors Forced Nokia To Hire Stephen Elop [Nokia's New CEO Is The First Non-Finn In The Company's History - But New Report Claims That Nokia's Hand Was Forced In Hiring

The source of this article is Kauppalehti, a newspaper from Finland. Unfortunately, the investors are unnamed in the report.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Gerbick is now Gerbick of Borg. He's been assimilated. :(

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

That hasn't stopped me....

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

If you believe that, I have a bridge I'm willing to sell to you.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Yeah, no kidding. Huge parties in Helsinki. Great dinners all the time. Workgroup meetings in Paris and Siikaranta.

Man I miss it...

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Cool story, bro, wear it proudly!



To be honest, you can't compare a single-day 14+% drop with a three year drop. And you can't know that the drop will continue down to oblivion, or will get better in the following months. Also, the fact is that Nokia started to gain momentum again in mid '09, but then messed it up completely in '10 - '10 was their chance for a comeback, they completely screwed it. Anyway, the LSE opens up soon, we'll see if the weekend managed to dampen the drop a bit, but I'd be highly skeptical of that - the stock will probably fall for another 5-10% before stabilizing, and from there - nobody knows where it will go, your guess is as good as mine.

But I think it will be going steadily down - '11 will be probably the year with record low profits for Nokia as they will have difficulties sell Symbian devices and they won't have any WP7 devices even if those would be able to save them. Laying off excess employees and cutting R&D budgets will probably help to slow down the descent, but playing with NOK stocks atm. is extremely risky and not for the fainthearted.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

watch out Elop is trying to save money he will cut R&D around meego if chart is correct then he'll stop the bills payment for maemo.org.
If i was the people who want to keep maemo alive i would be mirroring everything possible now

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

good point, suddently I don't trust Tero Kojos announcement that Nokia will inform really early if something like that is planned/decided...

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Orly. Why does my MBP have Bash? And so on, and so on.

Don't confuse Apple gadgets with Macs. Thank you.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Non third-world nations. America, for instance. And if the Internet is a nation, then that's another good example. ;)

There's no neutral page that extolls the virtues of Symbian. Reviews of the N8 almost universally loved the hardware and faulted the software.

Go to the phonearena.com article about Android overtaking Symbian and check out the comments. Outside of the MeeBorg Cube, people think Symbian is something their great-great grandparents used. I've posted other links where people were all for the Nokia WP7 mock-ups at Engadget. As I said then, they'd love to buy Nokia phones but the word "Symbian" makes them recoil. Whether it's based on reality or perception is irrelevant. As long as they know Nokia didn't make the software, they're much happier with the idea of buying a Nokia phone.


Mobility Digest article - Why Symbian Sucks and Why It Wont Stop Sucking Anytime Soon

I have no idea what this page is but it's filled with people posting why they hate Symbian. What's interesting is that those who have never used it still say they "know" it's bad, the UI sucks, etc.

PC World Australia ran the article in October Why Nokia's Symbian OS sucks - Nokia's Symbian OS may be the world's most popular mobile operating system, but it is clearly lagging behind the competition from Apple, Google and even Microsoft.

This page shows all tweets that contain both the words "Symbian" and "suck". It's a decent amount.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, this page reviews all the anti-Nokia posts coming from here and other Nokia fan sites and pronounces most of the participants "nuts". :D I hope there really is no such thing as bad publicity... :eek:

The author of that piece really gets it.. and by "gets it", I mean he agrees with me and says what I've been saying. :D

I told y'all it's all about pinching widgets.

In the real world, one might have an easier time having the name "Mel Gibson" while living on a kibbutz than the name "Symbian" in the OS marketplace.

Ok, Gerbick, while they're attacking me, detach from the MeeBorg Cube and run!!!!

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/796eb1f2cf.jpg

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

This, together with applying the right inventions into an (seemingly) innovative product hyped by Apple marketing.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

And don't let Apple lie to you about the capabilities of the hardware in your pocket. They're only telling you those things because they want to reserve it for themselves and things they control.

Believe me, back in 2006-2007 it was all about Apple. But all the awesome openness and capability of OS X was for naught when they decided that not only was the mobile space the future (which it is) but that they would play gatekeeper and sole source.

If not for that I might have an iPhone and write iPhone Apps today. Instead today I own an N900 and my Macbook now hosts Ubuntu.