Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Open your eyes.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

After some 25 pages of off topic blather, I still can't get some simple answers.

Has anyone here actually seen solid evidence that the MeeGo code in its current state was on schedule for a solid release within, say half a year, that could go toe to toe with with whatever Google and Apple will have on the market by then?

Again, I'm not implying that WP7 is better or on track for faster delivery or anything like that. I do not like this Microsoft alliance any better than most of you folks here. Actually, I don't want to talk about Microsoft and WP7 at all.

The only thing I'm curious about is the actual state of the MeeGo code as it stands right now. Is it anywhere near ready and competitive with Android 2.x and iOS 4.x?

edit: spelling

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Hey you can say what you want about WP7 as it is a M/S product so ripping it apart right now is perfectly ok ha.

Ask yourself a question ... IF Meego code was anything like ready for release on ANY mobile device do you think Nokia would drop it like they have done?.

Gates is and will always be a monopoliser a creep and a money grabbing bastard so we all love him to bits i can tell you ! but the problem is the bastard has money to chuck around and like Rupert Murdock he uses to his full advantage so you can probably hazard a guess and watch WP7 suddenly come to a new life !.

Nokia on the other hand should and could be a hell of a lot better than what they have done to date and i reckon this could well be the end of Nokia as we know them, they will now take a whole new turn BUT the distant future that could change.

Thats my thoughts and i am entitled to them so there :p.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

You are aware that Bill Gates hasn't run Microsoft for a number of years, yes? He is merely a part-time non-executive chairman of the company.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

in addition he has been pretty eager to dump his fortune for charity and common good.....

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Nokia has been developing most of Harmattan behind closed doors, so unsurprisingly not many outside Nokia can tell you that. We'll be the judges when they get the "MeeGo related device" out. Certain is, that it wouldn't have had similar ecosystem around it as iOS and Android have, as it was to be only the first high profile MeeGo device announced. And it won't have the chance to develop one now that the wings have been cut already.

But I think that's an irrelevant question in the big picture. It's becoming clearer that this decision wasn't about which OS is the best or the fastest to roll out. This was about ecosystems. Basically came down to three options.

1) Continue with your own.. Ovi Services, Qt, own operating systems and control over them. Highest risk, highest potential gain.

2) Partner with MS.. Keep some elements of your own ecosystem (money from advertising, revenue from content sales etc.) and some control over the OS. Medium risk, medium potential gain.

3) Partner with Google. Probably wouldn't offer the same perks MS did with WP7 as Google didn't have as much to gain. Smallest risk, smallest potential gain.

The choice was number 2. Not confident they could out-do Apple and Google by themselves, and felt they'd give up too much with Google.

We'll now see what happens but we never know what would've happened had they continued with their own path. There are two possible outcomes. 1) They thrive with WP7 and the ecosystem and the world will remember Elop as the one who made the decision that saved Nokia. 2) They go belly up with WP7 and the world will remember Nokia as a company even Elop couldn't save with this decision.

Nowhere will it register that this decision may have been the one that pushed them over the edge and continuing pushing the old strategy could have saved them or earned them better gains than this deal. We will never know.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I really dont want to know as i just do NOT like M/S like millions of others and i dont care if he is in a trench or if he wants to give away whatever it is still M/S and thats all needs to be said.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Why all the words? is it not as easy to say that Nokia were doomed as a company and took the best offer available to them????.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

so no use regretting ones mistakes and trying to make 'em up by doing pretty significant steps for common good (for example forcing the instances doing research with funds given to make every result etc public. that has never ever before been done and it catalyzed pretty much everything concerning the areas research a lot...) ?

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I like how you managed to miss the whole point completely. But I'll leave it at that. The thought of having to engage in a debate with you even over such mundane things like current weather makes me want to bash my head to a brick wall, let alone over topics as complex as this.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

You have your opinions and the rest of us have ours and to make a very long story short.... guess what? we are actually entitiled to them !.

Just dont try to cover for Nokia in any way or form and dont try to make Microsoft anything good and you will be fine in this forum i am sure.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Maybe he wants to buy his way to heaven?

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Not liking MS you paint its non-working past executive with the same evil brush inspite of the knowlwdge of Bill Gates charity work and more importantly his research funding for disease control etc is , ... wait, whats it defined as in the dictionary ? ...

Oh got it, the dictionary says its called 'BIAS'.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Why oh why do people try to stick up for Nokia really dumfounds me and when they do i really get the bollockache.

This sinister decision to bring Ecrap into Nokia has gone for some time obviously since way before the release of the N900 so bearing that in mind WHY did Nokia give us this so called FLAGSHIP and 4 updates later decide to squash Maemo leaving us all in the lurch.

For me if you even try to defend the actions of Nokia it make a lot of people on this forum VERY pissed after spending out 500 quid plus for a device that has basically been dumped by its maker.

This community is struggling because of the closed components or we would have had a good fixing update long before now especially on the NO FIX which now is an endless and complete halt.

If people come on here and start to say things like Meego was being worked on behind closed doors then straight away its gone the wrong way.

IF Meego does come out trumps it certainly will not be Nokia that perfects it in any way or form.

Please remember Maemo is the OS of the N900 not Meego and to be dumped on like this is just no way acceptable, now its going pear shaped simply because all talk of Maemo has ended and we are left with neither Maemo or Meego from Nokia.

There is the reason people will get pissed !!!.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Wrong its called " my conscience has pricked me that much i got to do something fast to be able to live with myself ".

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

This is not on topic and i am so sorry for doing this, but i need some admin help (maemo.talk)
i need to change the title of my custom brightness no als, since i just made a EXTREMELY fast way of disabling the light sensor and still using the normal brightness the N900 uses.


again very very very very sorry for doing this, but this thread has some users in it and hopefully some one can help

just PM me, no need to make this worse.....

again sorry.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

If I remember correctly, he's a fellow atheist, more likely he's trying to buy his place and clear his name in history books. Or he figured out he won't be carrying all that money to his grave so what's the point of owning billions?

But no matter the reason, one has to give a credit where credit is due, and the world would be much better place if there were more people like Mr. Gates. For example, I cannot even imagine that buffoon Ballmer following his steps. In that regard, no matter what motivates Bill Gates, his behavior and persona are much more preferable, and applaudable, than the one of his successor...

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Just ran your posts trough my universal translator.
This is the result:

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Alright, gang, on topic.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

This thread is good, a lot of interesting stuff being said. Well, for the most part, we obviously should all ignore the troll in the corner, that feels butt hurt because he bought the N900 a year ago ... Please abill_uk let it go and leave.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Yes do leave as YOU are the troll.

Enough if this now ok.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I plan on staying here and I eagerly await the next GNU/Linux based device from Nokia, if they continue to bring out the great and fun stuff they have through the Maemo line, I hope they continue to do so for the difficult years to come with MeeGo. I also hope those of you that are as passionate about FOSS software and have the interest I do in mobile devices continue to support and develop software for the current and future iterations. Lets all work positively towards helping this work. We have some great talent in this community, people and groups that are working together to create wonderful things. I only hope with the side lining of MeeGo will create a clear seperation to platform and application developers from end users looking for the latest glitz to impress their friends. A lot of us have been here since the beginning and whilst a few have left I still see people working very hard on creating the kind of solutions we want.

Here's to Maemo :)

*raises a beer*

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Here's a good take by Elop for Engadget about the strategy. Lasts about ten minutes and explains pretty well the ins and outs of the strategy and how during the process their views on the preferred path changed.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I'm in the same boat as you. As it stands, the overall lack of answers means to me that we're supposed to deploy faith in something that isn't quite in a form we'd even be able to compare to other OS's on the same level playing field without having to resort to terms like "it's open" or "it's another choice" or "it suits me"... whereas openness was never in doubt, it's definitely another choice and if it does/does not suit you is subjective and opinion based.

Simply stated, the lack of answers should be your answer. MeeGo isn't anywhere it needs to be for the average consumer. It's a bunch of lego blocks that have to be put together (that's ok by me) and then you have to make it work (still ok) but even then, it's not going to be fully featured yet (not ok with me) and we have to use our faith it will get there one day (definitely not ok with me).

Elop is asking for faith in WP7 - we gave none. That's fair. Nokia asked for faith on MeeGo - we gave all. Unfair we didn't get a damn thing back for that faith - nothing compelling has been shown before its "demise".

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I think it should be clear even to you by now that no-one in this community knows how it is or will be, only Nokia does. No-one here can give you the answers you want or promise (or have promised) that it'll all be (or would've been) fine and dandy. For all we know it could be crap. But from "I haven't seen it" doesn't logically follow "It's crap" and that's the issue here. You are constantly trying to beat people into proving it's great which they can't do because they haven't seen it, while at the same time implying that if they're unable to do that, then it must be crap. They have no choice but to try and defend it with what they do know.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Having a few Nokia workers that post here, as well as some folks that have tested in the past and yet nobody knows about Nokia's future even when they've all but killed it - no leaks, nothing but "wait, it's coming" when even that isn't known is a request for my faith that honestly Nokia has no right to expect since they've not delivered anything.

True, nobody truly knows... but yet nobody talking about anything being shown yet negative reports of bad hinges means that something has been shown and yet nobody knows something?

Leaks happen for a reason. The silence is deafening on this one and I have to assume it's because the device was prepared - nothing proves otherwise, the OS, the services and the direction wasn't done yet either.

Speculation can go either positive or negative.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

You have to look at the business side of things, MS have basically copied Apple with the whole closed eco-system aspect of things, it is something that works.

However, then look at where the biggest user base is. Regardless of preference, or what mobile you have, the biggest desktop OS is Windows, followed by Mac, followed by all sorts of Linux based systems. A business will create things for the masses first. There is the ability to sync to the WP7 device through windows and Mac, I suspect it will come for Linux devices at some point, but that point will be based on demand.

And who better to try and push for that than Nokia, a large percentage of the Nokia community is geared towards Linux, I suspect that the Nokia partnership with MS will push this side of things, but early days at the moment.

I think that the majority of users prefer this 'locked-in' route (I am not one of them, I like choice. And I doubt that many people on here do either), but can see how it works in the real world and the simplicity it creates for the standard user. Remeber, the majority of users are stupid!!!! :p

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

i told you that meego was already a dead os along with symbian, and personally i dont think we can say that meego wasnt "good enough" i think i was too late, android is developing very very fast, and ios is selling very well too.

Im concerned that windows phone is also a bad move from nokia... why the partnership with a new os? instead of adopting android that may boost nokia sales?

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

If MS open up the Win7 OS to be an open platform and all then I'll would buy their OS but seriously why buy a featureless OS phone? While Android and iOS has almost a complete set of features right now.

iOS Still have a better chance in long term support and resale value of the iPhones are much higher than any other phones in the market. To be honest, iPhone losing its value less than Nokia in term of second hand device resale. The device value is stable and so is their OS. Jailbreak makes the device more open and freedom. But there is no customisable UI.

Win7 can be jailbreak too but why on earth would I want my home screen to have those blocks of ugliness and oversize title? The OS barely got any functionality attached to it, the user interface really degrading your intelligent and making you're look like an idiot and have to be guided all the steps like a disable person.

MeeGo is a great OS but lack of manufacturers to push it out. If only Samsung, HTC or Motorola willingly adopting the platform and making it their third or 4th OS then I believe that in 1 to 2 years from now, MeeGO will be bigger than Android. But this is only just a dream. Such thing will never happen. MeeGo giving you the power of a user and give you the freedom and will not degrading your intelligent of being a human.

Don't let the machine control you, be the one to control the machine.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I actually felt the same way, but the ease of use of those huge, ugly blocks actually have started to win me over.

Yes... I thought I'd never say that.

The main problem with MeeGo might be that it will suffer from the association with Nokia and their really closed off from everybody, proud of their corporate culture and how very little they have communicated type of image they've cultivated all of these years.

If Nokia was more open in terms of communication, it might have worked out for MeeGo. I think that it does affect MeeGo's chances.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Yeah but the more i look at MeeGO from Intel, the more I like it.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13970_7-20032332-78.html

I'm going to buy an Intel MeeGO :)

I'm sure Intel will produce a good smartphone with their MedField chip :) hope to get better and faster than ARM and better power management as claimed. I'm all in. Sorry Nokia, Intel has won my money over their bravery :)

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

Its not so gloomy.
The idea behind Meego, one unifiied infrastructure for all your electronic devices is pretty good and im confident that Intel or "Insert random phone maker here" will capitilise on it.

If not, there are alternatives dabbling in Linux based systems - HP Samsung or even Android and lets not forget Asia.
The one who makes touchscreen tablet/phone with a physical QWERTY keyboard and a decent OS can have my money.

For all of the recent converts, i wish you best of luck in the MS/Apple/Android world and may your consumer needs be met
Oh, i almost forgot.
Please don't bring all the FUD and doomsday talk to our door even though it might be demanded of you by your new religion :D
I kid...i kid.

Thanks :)

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I agree, when I first saw it, I thought it looked horrible. But now, I think the OS makes iOS look dated!!!!

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

[begin sarcasm]

The math is really simple, the numbers say it all:

Meego 1.2 < Android 2.3 < iOS 4.2 < Maemo 5 < WP7.

Elop sees it, why can't you?

[end sarcasm]

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

MS has discontinued the ZUNE today (Mar. 14, 2011)
ZUNE=FAIL

RIF->http://www.businessinsider.com/zune-2011-3

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

"Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?"

My impression was that nokia want to sit alongside android and Ios as one of the big three mainstream mobile ecosystems, and they didn't believe MeeGo could take them there.

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/20...-qt-and-meego/

That said, I believe they intend to keep MeeGo as a 'niche' operating system in reserve.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

i believe someone inside believe WP7 will fail. and they keep it as backup plan.

its a small hope, but i am not touching anything with windowws

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

nor me, i am a meego/maemo fan, not a nokia fan.

they make nice hardware, but so do lots of others.

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I'm not a fan of anything - other than HW keyboard and high res screen. A device also has to be cool and good quality. So far Nokia is the best. So if Nokia comes with ANYTHING with HW keyboard and hires screen, it will be mine :)

Re: Maybe the unpleasant truth is that MeeGo really was too late and/or not good enough?
 

I believe they keep MeeGo around for the same reasons they pump out wonderful prototypes they never will even consider making in real life... As an exercise to help their employees think outside the box (without actually having any plans of ever moving out of the box for real).

I'll re-evaluate Nokia if/when they come out with another phone in the portable computer niche. Until then, I solemnly swear I'm up to no buy.

I'll be a reluctant Android user in a couple of days.

BTW, I'll bet you a rhyme of 8 lines that Nokia will have good (bittersweet) MeeGo/Harmattan reviews before they get any good Windows Phone reviews. MeeGo may not be ready, but neither is Windows Phone. And Nokia has a lot of refocusing to do before they're Windows Phone experts.