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sondjata 2011-02-16 00:41

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
No GSM ATT 3G or better access or no buy. USB cable pops out: No sale

phr 2011-02-16 00:45

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Don't forget digital compass. Navigation is a lot easier if the device knows which way it's facing when not in motion. This is a significant issue with my car GPS: it sees me reaching an intersection, says to turn left, then gives more directions while I'm stopped at the light, without being able to know whether I've already turned left.

Also would like to be able to hot-swap batteries.

mrexcess 2011-02-16 00:46

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 946557)
are you mad? why stop there? why not a 4ghz p4, twin nvidia 6600 and a terabyte hdd.

this is a pocket computer which strains battery life as is. you really think you need twin 1ghz processors just so you can do banal **** like update you online tweetspace memeosphere?

way harsh dude :D you're right tho, an upgrade would be nice but ive yet to see anyone balance cpu power and battery life well, carrying the extra battery is a pita.

what i hate to think is that they wont include the FM transceiver in any theoretical maemo / meego tablet / phone :mad: the tech will be old, but the ir port proves how old tech can still be useful when theres **** on some tv in a pub :D.

slaapliedje 2011-02-16 00:54

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Honest question here; Why couldn't we create our own Maemo device?

According to all that I've read, the only closed bits for the N900 are certain kernel drivers (the 3D and Battery Management), Flash, and parts of MicroB (not sure on that one).

Why couldn't we get a beagle board, or even some other ARM processor board, have someone mold some cases, slap in a LCD, keyboard, etc. Then we could have our own Maemo 6. Upgrade the packages from Debian Squeeze, and away we go.

Or even if the N950 comes out, if some of us don't like MeeGo for whatever reason, again couldn't we then put Maemo on it? Assuming of course similar hardware for the 3D and BME.

Just some thoughts. Maybe I've gone crazy from reading Amiga forums, because they always do little hardware hacks, etc.

slaapliedje

phr 2011-02-16 02:35

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
The amount of effort and expenditure it takes to miniaturize and package electronics into a rugged, phone-sized gadget is completely out of reach for hobbyists. Openmoko came close but they had real funding.

Yes it is possible to put a beagleboard, battery pack, etc. into a much larger box like a pelican case, basically the size of a netbook or not much smaller. It would even be pretty cool in some ways. But it wouldn't be a pocket computer.

slaapliedje 2011-02-16 14:13

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Even a portable touchpad would be sweet, like a (max)iPad, but with Maemo.

I just really like the OS and think it would be most awesome to get it on a larger platform. Maybe even port it to x86, which is kind of what it looks like smoku is doing with Cordia!

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56822

slaapliedje

skalogre 2011-02-16 18:41

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 946454)
Resistives got better sensing resolution, and you can use it with your fingernails, any random object you happen to be holding, while wearing gloves etc, nothing in crapacitives make them a better choice than resistives...
.

I use my phone for reference articles and as a music player while working on my car. The fact I can use a carkey/spanner/bolt/anything (or not have to take my gloves off) is a big advantage. Plus less probability of engine oil all over the screen from my grubby mitts :p

gruik 2011-02-16 19:04

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
I hope N950 will have ovi maps offline for free! Its the pain to use N900's gps! A FM tuner is welcomed too!

mikecomputing 2011-02-16 19:21

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phr (Post 947644)
The amount of effort and expenditure it takes to miniaturize and package electronics into a rugged, phone-sized gadget is completely out of reach for hobbyists. Openmoko came close but they had real funding.

Yes it is possible to put a beagleboard, battery pack, etc. into a much larger box like a pelican case, basically the size of a netbook or not much smaller. It would even be pretty cool in some ways. But it wouldn't be a pocket computer.

As you say its almost impossible to minimize it also you must buy million SoC to be able to sell it. For example the TI in N900 costs around $100 a' price. And I guess the display costs double...

And dont forget that Nokia and others has alot of patents in this areas...

So at the end its impossible cmission for hobbyists...

Arrancamos 2011-02-16 20:13

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
would be great for me:
- bigger screen 4"
- multi touch for games
- more speed (duno how, +memory, +hz, better UI response, etc)
- a powerful battery
- HDMI out port
- HD video recording
- USB host mode
- 12Megapixel of more with carl zeiss
- wireless b/g/n
- Digital TV
- digital compass
- better agps
- 3.5G for UMTS 850 and optional 1900 (VERY IMPORTANT 4 my country!!)
- 4G if possible ^^
AND the rest features ALL the same as my current n900 :)

and about applications... think they will come by itself

Do you like what I want?

Leon4 2011-02-16 20:23

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrancamos (Post 948318)
AND the rest features ALL the same as my current n900 :)


hehe but there is no more featurs left lol :D :p

noobmonkey 2011-02-16 21:43

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
oh there is, lol 3d :P - but i think i might miss on that one :)
flash 10+ - hardware rendered :)
digi tv i can do without, internet tv is fine, but clean up the networking, less latency, i'm fine with most of the above though :)

Something that goes one step further than the n900 :P - been very happy so far... just break the boundaries a bit more, as the n900 was behind when it came out, eventually (in some, not all cases!)

windows7 2011-02-22 13:16

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
a hand full of things are missing from n900
- in 1st place digital compass
- a handful of decent apps like: vmware mobile emulator, coreplayer, some kind of standard remote windows desktop support over standard windows vpn, support for standard technologies like flash, silver light and java
- better camera
- better battery life
- and wireless recharging like we find in some webOS devices
- I also like the concept motorola atriz introduced, of you mobile becoming a full desktop pc, via a tv and using wireless mouse and keyboard, in fact imagine being able to position the phone next to a tv and even tuning into a TV channel a few feet away from the device and turn it into a computer screen without any cables

kevloral 2011-02-22 13:53

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
^^^And NFC support.

mr_jrt 2011-02-22 14:52

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by windows7 (Post 952690)
support for standard technologies like flash, silver light and java

Sorry, have to LOL at Silverlight being described as a 'standard technology'. ;)

DrSteve 2011-02-22 15:02

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Quote:

I would also like bigger capacity battery, motorola defy has 1500mah one as n97 does. Bigger battery and smaller chips and (possibly) amoled screen would give us impressing battery life
My wife has the Defy. Battery life has disappointed thus far (but it's a nice, tough little phone).

volt 2011-02-22 15:33

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
There's remote windows desktop support, isn't it? I've not actually used it since there's VNC, too.

vi_ 2011-02-22 15:48

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
and a P4 with prescott core too.

Suurorca 2011-02-24 04:52

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Care to guess what would be a deal braker for me? An integrated battery. My N900 is churning through its third right now. Would I like to send it serviced just to have the battery replaced? Never. Would I risk voiding the warranty by replacing the battery myself? Never.

gerbick 2011-02-24 05:02

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Deal breaker for me? Any MeeGo device by Nokia.

It's gonna get shoved to the side faster than Elop can say Microsoft.

Suurorca 2011-02-24 05:22

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Well, they'll be hard pressed to support it less than the N900. Unless of course it it's bug ridden when launched, which seems all too likely.

geneven 2011-02-24 05:31

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
For the record, I suggested a hot-swappable battery way before the N900 was born. We had one of those superlong threads about the N900 and there was never a sign that Nokia even read it.

Suurorca 2011-02-24 05:37

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Ah, hot swappable would be nice. But not being swappable at all, like, say the N8... or iToy.

alfmar 2011-02-24 15:03

Talking Big, Talking Bug
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shady (Post 947569)
i would LOVE to build my own device, somehow i would like for it to be like building a PC, the problem is that the enclosure and size of the device could be prohibitive, still if i could make the components or at least source them accordingly, i would make this for us; the forgotten:

QWERTY: Dust/Grease Resistant Keys
SEAL DEVICE exactly like high end DSLR's
TI OMAP44xx / Intel Medfield (Pewell)
PowerVR SGX554MP4
2xTHGBM2T0DBFBAIF (Toshiba 128GB NAND, 256GB Total Internal)
2GB RAM (not shared & DDR3)
HDMI-TypeD (able to stream audio, up to and including DSD)
microUSB 3.0
MicroSHXC UHS-1
1xCDCE949 TI Programmable Clock Synthesizer
TLV320DAC3100 32bit DAC (high end isolated audio circuit, LOW noise filter, 4 outputs 1 per amp)
4xOPA637SM or comparable (4ch bal. dependent on output (spdif) configuration (L(+/-) R(+/-)))
Combination LINE/SPDIF out (NOT a headphone out)
NATIVE Codec Support: AVI, WMV, ASF, MP4, MKV, MPG, DAT, TS, TP, TRP, 3GP, DivX, Xvid, H.264, WMV, 7/8/9, MPEG 1, MP3, WMA, OGG, PCM and FLAC
NO POST CONVERSION
WiFi-B.G.N
4.0" CBD OLED 1268*720@24bit screen ~2ms
10.1MPx Back Illuminated (720p@120fps: able to be displayed natively on the device)
2100mAh Battery
GSM 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 850/900/1700/1900/2100
HSPA+ 42Mbps
Compass/Magnetometer, 6xGyro, Accelerometer, GPS/AGPS, FM Transmitter
Simultaneous bit-stream across ALL digital outputs, user configurable.
MeeGo.Harm 1.1 or MeeGo 1.2

and yes, there are a BUNCH of things missing, but this is just a wish list.


One of the most nice features of this forum is the Talking Bug, that is, the Talking Big of some users.

I'm a happy N900 user for 12+ months now, and my next phone will be an N900 (not only because I don't want to familiarize with a new GUI every time I buy a phone).

QWERTY: I did never have problems. What do you mean by "dust/grease resistant"? I would have my entire home furniture to be dust/grease resistant.

SEAL DEVICE: you seem to ignore that blocking even the last bit of airflow eases overheating.

OMAP44xx or MEDFIELD: yes, a bit of extra computing power is always welcome. But it has a price (money and battery and possible hardware/software problems). Did you overclock your N900, didn't you? What about 1150MHz vs 600MHz? Did the "almost doubling" double your "user experience"?

SGX554MP4: please, first let's talk about drivers and usage, then let's talk about GPUs. 99% of software ignores 2D/3D acceleration.

128-256Gb: I stored my entire MP3 collection on the N900 and still have some gigabytes for placing movies and anime (which I delete after watching: do I actually need already-seen movies on my phone every day?)

HDMI, DACs, SPDIF: how many times in a day you *need* video output capabilities from the N900?

MicroUSB 3.0: how many times in a day you *need* USB3 peripherals?

MicroSHXC UHS-1: how many N900 owners bought a microSD to enlarge those 32Gb internal flash?

Wifi-N, HSPA+: what is the medium file size that you transfer on your N900 (except for movies)?

Screen resolution: did you ever feel that 800 horizontal pixels are way too little? Are you able to distinguish between two consecutive pixels?

...
Stop, stop, stop.

The only problem with the N900 is that the 256Mb RAM are good only until you don't install memory-hungry software.

Most people will like a better battery. Not surprisingly, I am very happy with the standard battery. How much time are you far from an USB port? In my everyday life -work or holiday- I'm never far from an USB port or USB charger more than a few hours.

SirTurbo 2011-02-28 11:05

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
i AM often away from usb ports...
cause i use my n900 at places "as a pc" where i even dont have a subnote, f.e. when with the boat. or in the garage. or at my relatives. or or or...
i often load the battery in my car when i drive to such places. but it would be really fine to be sure that one can use(!) the n900 for more than 4 hours before battery goes low.
And when battery is low, the n900 refuses some times to load in the car or even at home - so a low battery is a really annoying thing.

robinfoot 2011-05-13 14:53

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
[QUOTE=SirTurbo;957188]
I started to uese a solar powered charger: brand name: Solar Mobile Phone Charger (?, not very telling I agree). You can use this one as an extra battery and charge it from the laptop

__-_-_-__ 2011-05-19 12:16

Re: Talking Big, Talking Bug
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 954609)
SEAL DEVICE: you seem to ignore that blocking even the last bit of airflow eases overheating.

a rugged device is a must for many people. just because YOU don't want doesn't mean others need it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 954609)
OMAP44xx or MEDFIELD: yes, a bit of extra computing power is always welcome. But it has a price (money and battery and possible hardware/software problems). Did you overclock your N900, didn't you? What about 1150MHz vs 600MHz? Did the "almost doubling" double your "user experience"?

yes. let's not use better and newer components, with that mentality your N900 could have a 1Mhz cpu. There's a reason why manufacturers actually improve the devices with more computing power.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 954609)
128-256Gb: I stored my entire MP3 collection on the N900 and still have some gigabytes for placing movies and anime (which I delete after watching: do I actually need already-seen movies on my phone every day?)

My entire MP3 collection has 372Gb. Just because your collection is small doesn't mean others want more storage. Also if you don't need movies others will want that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 954609)
HDMI, DACs, SPDIF: how many times in a day you *need* video output capabilities from the N900?

4 times a day for me. I want that capability. I'm sure many others want it too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 954609)
MicroUSB 3.0: how many times in a day you *need* USB3 peripherals?

at least 3 times a day. work related.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 954609)
MicroSHXC UHS-1: how many N900 owners bought a microSD to enlarge those 32Gb internal flash?

I've 2 32gb micro sdhc plus 2 16gb sdhc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfmar (Post 954609)
Wifi-N, HSPA+: what is the medium file size that you transfer on your N900 (except for movies)?

6mb, often transferring +100 files.


STOP. don't be narrowminded. just because you don't need doesn't mean others want. If we all acted like you we would still have black and white TV's and 286 cpus.
Stick with your N900. Me and many others will buy the N950. don't rant about it.

ChoMar 2011-05-19 14:35

Re: N950 will succeed N900
 
Yeah, just put in everything you can for abou 600 € and ill buy it.
N900 is great. A redesigned N900 may be better if nokia doesnt loose any features (like the HW Keyboard and the Stylus (i know, its not the latest fashion to use this, but it realy allows good browsing experience and stuff)
The next device should have a native USB-Host. But thats all i miss.

Edit: Who is responsible for this nice Tags crushing my wet dreams?

Captwheeto 2011-05-19 15:01

Re: Talking Big, Talking Bug
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by __-_-_-__ (Post 1009930)
a rugged device is a must for many people. just because YOU don't want doesn't mean others need it.

It wasn't that he didn't need it. He pointed out the justification that having a completely seal and 'rugged' device would be very hard to implement as it would cause internal problems such as over heating.

Your entire list is asking too much in my opinion. You seem to forget the limitations of building an embedded device and love buzzwords and want the biggest, fastest things and claiming "SHUT UR FAEC, EVERY1 WANTS A 34753498256Ghz, USB3, 10Tb, DESTRUCTION PROOF, MAGIC PHONE. I WILL BUY IT. IT R THE FUTURE, LUDDITES."


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