Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

You have no idea huh? Maemo is so bad and u cant think of one?
I notice you just comment for the sake of disagreeing. Take your time and list what in Maemo needs updating. Then compare it to WP7 they still dont have copy paste in 2011. WP7 is ****.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

There's more than one WONTFIX. So yeah, I have plenty of ideas. Either continue to bury your head in the sand and act like there are no problems; or admit that the WONTFIX's exist and some are in the closed bits of the mostly open OS that I've liked for apparently a bit longer than you if we were going to go by petty measurements or assumptions like membership sign up dates and the like.

Awwwh. You 'dun figured me out.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Can't we get some more informed and justified productive comments rather than blind nerd rage?

A more productive thing to do is list the deficiencies of WP7 (both in software and in development model) and contrast these with Maemo/Meego rather than just calling it 'gay'. There's a chance - however slim - that someone with influence might just pay attention, sure there is almost no chance of reversing the MS deal, but they may yet view Maemo/Meego as more than just an experiment.

on a side note it's pretty backwards and/or immature view to the term 'gay' as derogatory.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Agree - let's start with the name. Windows. It might have worked 25 years ago (metaphorically speaking - it never worked that well), but in the way that 'gay' has become a synonym (amongst the youth) for something that is rubbish - the same could be said of Windows. They should change the name to something else, like 'Start to Exit', after that quirky little place you click when you want to turn off - it could be abbreviated to SEx, and that alone would guarantee sales (especially by teenage lads). Then the smart phone would use SEx-phone7. Which would be nice for those who masturbate a lot.

Mish.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

I second exo and Mish, gay is definitely not an appropriate description for Windows, especially when iPhone has privileged the use of 'gay'.

*DUCK*

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Well, Microsoft said that the problem is due to a bad internet connection and/or lack of disk space - one could argue that the first should not interfere with any sort of updating process, and the second should always be checked by the updater, tho.

However, given that Microsoft is doing their best to clone the iOS strategy and put all the bad things about it on steroides bringing those to absurdity, does it really come as a surprise that Microsoft is explaining the bricking problem using a statement that basically says: you're updating it wrong!? :rolleyes:

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

WP7 has no future for me anyways. When it launched it was/is still lacking all kinds of stuff e.g. compared to Maemo5 PR1 in terms of functionality. Then depending on upgrades from M$, thats a no-win. Not able to flash as compared to ours, no-win. I could make this a long list but you get the idea.. ;)

IMHO it was garbage from the start, and knowing M$ it will stay garbage for quite a while. Maybe it is best compared to iOS, plus the handicaps it drags along the road.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Nope, I like Windows XP, never had any problems with it and it runs everything I need it to. I could mess around with Linux all day long but I've got other things I would rather spend my time on, so I don't. You have to understand that while running a better system is really important to you, most of us just want our computer to work when we turn it on and since most pre-made computers come with Windows, well there you go. Also, most people in my experience aren't willing to learn the nuances of more than one or two operating systems. For them Windows was hard enough, mac on top of that make two, why would they bother with Linux?

I'm not trying to diss Linux or anything like that but saying

"mabey comfortable but they really really don't like it."

is a huge stretch

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

REALLY??! Their first update bricks a load of phones?? F-ing brilliant. Those poor sods who are going to buy Nokrosoft phones later this year are in for a bumpy ride, clearly. Nice cosy feeling though, Windows crashing and f-ing things up takes me back to happier days around 1999.

On a side note, I'm loving all the talk about the 'new' Symbian coming later this year. Even read that the new UI will be similar to Maemo5. Hey! Lady! Jo Whateveryournameis! If Maemo5 is so good you're gonna make Symbian UI just like it, why the F don't you just update and USE Maemo5? Oh yeah, I forgot, you occasionally make out with Elop in the staff lunch room. You're so gross.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

.....ipv6?

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

You must be popular with the ladies...

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Just as an aside, Macintosh computers run OS X (a unix-based operating system, just like Linux). So many many people have been learning the nuances of Unix. And personally, I would say OS X is much easier to learn than Windows is...

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Technically correct, but false in real life. iOS has no CLI, the defining feature of UNIX, is not wide open, and has no OS contact with the user. They are entirely in the UI.

As I said before, if someone ports the iOS UI and runs it over WP7 (not on Samsung, apparently), none would be the wiser.

So, even if people actually use Unix on iPhone, e.g., they aren't any more familiar with Maemo or Fedore than a Windows user is. I don't know any iPhone users that have ever used gconftool, patched a bug themselves or edited a config file as a requirement of use.

@dmberta
As for people and choices, you're wasting your breath. I've been in many communities and, while it's undeniable that the id1ot is universal and can live in most environments, like bacteria, some communities are better and some are worse. TMO has reached a point where you find a single real post per page. Depending on your settings.

Conserve your energy.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

read again what he said...

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

It was supposed to be a two part reply and network failed before I realized I didn't separate my replies. Editing.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

A single real post per page ? really ?

Here is a hint - stop reading the idiot useless no aim debating threads like these and stick to the technical app/dev/bug related threads

If you read a dumb thread you get dumb relies - no **** sherlock

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Agreed, some threads are truely clean, but the context was dmberta's reply (edited to correct the error, my bad), and thus my estimate was to this kind of threads.

So, yes, there are corners where it makes sense. And then there is the thread-that-tries-to-discuss-alternatives. Sooner or later (rather sooner) all threads that involve Microsoft, Windows, iOS, OSX, competition in general get run into the ground within the first page no matter what the settings are.

And it's not going to go away, either, MS is here to stay. I am aware that introducing Windows to a Linux forum is bound to create friction, but we're talking re-entry friction here, complete with name calling, blanket insults and questioning sexual orientation. Sheesh.

Re: Nokia Leaves Maemo and Meego for this!!!!
 

No. We just want to see *progress*

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

read what he said again...

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Actually, iOS is not OS X, nor any other flavor of Unix. Although Apple is happily attempting to scale up iOS to tablets (and presumably other devices), I doubt it will have either the flexibility or the longevity of OS X; as more powerful processors become more widespread in small devices, limited operating systems like iOS will lose out as users clamor for true multitasking and full-blown application software (rather than lots and lots of miniscule apps).

Edit: after investigating a bit, I find that I am mistaken -- underneath all the UI cruft, iOS appears to be running some version of the Mach kernel. That makes it a lot closer to the Android model than I thought. It also means that, if Apple should ever find the interest in doing so, they could scale up iOS fairly easily...

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

You started wrong, but finished strong. Go look at the iOS API's and header files. It's OS X with #defines, some missing libraries and some added libraries. UI aside, it's easy to port to iOS... 'cause it's UNIX.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Hmm. No, actually I started wrong, and finished wrong. I knew the APIs had been carried over from OS X, but I thought the underlying kernel was completely different... But no, after investigating a bit, I see that they are running some version of the Mach kernel underneath all that iOS UI messiness.

As such, I suppose they could scale it up fairly easily to have more powerful abilities. I take it back, iOS may, unfortunately, be here to stay...

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Yes, you can't f*rk or create daemon processes, but you can thread. I keep with my prediction that when the iPhone goes multi-core, iOS gets unleashed. Developers already have access to limited background tasking, and this will only improve.

Re: Nokia Leaves Maemo and Meego for this!!!!
 

Somehow I do not understand your problem.
Pressing numbers if you dial is straight forward on the N900.
Nothing special, nothing different than on other phones.

Looking up a contact during phone call: How do you want
to make it different?
You would need a kind of set off device if you do not want
to switch to loudspeaker. There is no other way that I know:
switch to loudspeaker, ask your telephone partner if she/he
still hears you (which is nearly always the case since the microphone and loudspeaker of N900 are very good, except if background noises are too loud), background phone application, look up contact in adress book, tell your telephone partner (or send an email),
tell your telephone partner that you have to switch off loudspeaker,
foreground telephone application, switch off loudspeaker,
proceed normally with phone call.
I do not see a problem here and I do not see, how other phones
would make this different or even with phone near ear.

I do not understand...there is the phone icon in the status bar.
So you know you are still phoning.
Is this different on your N900?


I have the impression that there is something wrong with your
N900. ;-)
Misconfigured somehow? ;-)

Of course I'd like a 2nd use for e.g. camera button when phoning
which selects an application by voice control and selects an entry
within that application (in this case a calendar entry) and reads it to the telephone partner on the other end of line.
But even this would be odd for your telephone partner and
it would be a matter of procedure and not of technical issues.
I never heard of such a feature on other smartphones.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

You are either a lucky guy/girl if this works for you or you
do not stress the machine really.
Otherwise you would see the various bugs quite soon. ;-)

You are right: maybe these people do not know the alternatives
and they are used to suffering in the MS universe. 8-)

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Say no more.

Oh, bummer:

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

You know, I'm really starting to wonder what Microsoft is thinking. With iOS based on Mach (a powerful, scalable kernel), Android based on Linux (a powerful, scalable kernel), and Windows Phone 7 based on Windows CE (an OS built from the ground up for use in embedded hardware), I'm not really liking their chances for competing as all the various handheld devices grow more powerful...

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Yes, I think Nokia chose poorly. Starting with Elop, ending with Microsoft.

Okay, so you dump MeeGo and Qt, and then start talking about "ecosystem". But if you cared about ecosystem, wouldn't you try and steal or borrow iOS and Android developers? Again, UI aside, WP7 forces C# and DirectX, while the other mobile platforms support C++ and OpenGL. If I was a developer... Oh, wait.

Nokia: Put bullet in chamber. Aim at foot. Pull trigger.

Re: Nokia Leaves Maemo and Meego for this!!!!
 

I don't think it can be different, I think I made that clear - but it doesn't stop being an irritation. I figure it is a limitation because I used to use a mobile and be able to look up stuff on a laptop or PC (or filofax) - but with all that squeezed onto the one device, it is just a matter of working differently. It is just something that 'feels' awkward - I'm not sure there is any way of changing that, because as I said, it is a feature of the form factor.

On the other hand, when I make a call, I get a screen up that shows me who I am calling, the duration of the call, the option to end the call, and an option to turn on the speaker, mute the mike, and to bring up the numeric keypad. There would be room on that screen to have the numeric keypad and the other buttons all displayed (maybe slightly smaller), so that when using the device as a mobile phone, the screen would look like a mobile phone. When I call an automated switchboard, I have to take the device from my ear, the screen transitions from portrait to landscape, I tilt it back to portrait, and then I have to select the numeric keypad, then I can enter the number of my selection. That is a fair bit of fumbling to do an operation that should entail one key press - the number required. On occasion, I haven't pressed the number in time, and been taken back to the previous menu, by which time it is not the number I want. These calls can be expensive - and some involve the input of 5 or 6 different options - so, having to go through the process is irritating.

But, you suggest this may be a configuration option - I have switched the phone display to default to portrait mode, but is it possible to set it to default to the numeric keypad when making calls instead of the caller display screen? If there is, I cannot find it in settings under phone, or on the menu options for the phone screen. The screen as is may be fine for skype/video calls, but with ordinary calls (such as to banks, insurance companies, government agencies, etc.) the ability to have the numeric keypad as the display (rather than as a selectable option) makes more sense.

Mish.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

He he. WP is based on Windows Embedded Compact 7 core (eventually). It has two main advantages over Linux/Unix: it is a true real-time kernel, and it can be scaled down. Scaling up is no problem for WP, it already runs on dual core and is true multitasking. Scaling up is a matter of making drivers. But scaling down is impossible with Linux. Theoretically Nokia can use the kernel also on the future versions of the S40 platform, although I doubt that will happen anytime soon, if ever.

But the main advantage is down-scaling for Nokias mass-market devices, sub 200$ range of smartphones and even cheaper.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

It is? When did they make it realtime, and is it hard-realtime or soft-realtime (not that realtime operation matters for anything but the baseband, which is totally isolated anyway.)

That's not what people refer to when they talk about something "scaling up."

Really? That's news to me, and probably also to all the people using it in systems with no MMU and for realtime purposes. But then by your definition all you need to do is drop drivers and you've scaled down.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

No matter what your definition of "scaling down" is, this makes zero sense.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Been there, done that.

Cool, I can't wait to see the drivers Microsoft puts out to allow Windows CE to compete with Linux in the supercomputer market.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

My microcontroller with external oscillator is a hard realtime capable system with offline scheduling.

Does that improve its usability as a mobile phone/mobile computer?

You won't run a flight system controller or a surgical robot with either a windows or a linux phone.

The stock capabilities of linux or windows as realtime os for hard rt systems are comparable and fairly poor. Which is why there are dedicated realtime operating systems.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

For you, yes. For the largest manufacturer of mobile phones in the world, no.

You are just a bunch of Linux zealots. Linux is nothing but a simplistic/brute force bloated piece of software, with the only real advantage of being simplistic. Works well on high spec HW (but so does Windows XP).

Anyway, tell me what kind of problems Windows Embedded Compact has with scaling up, other than including proper drivers for new HW. Then explain why this is any different for Linux.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Holy ****, is this bro for real?

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

I'm not seeing any experts contributing hard facts to back up either side of this debate.

Thus this debate is worthless :)

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

I thought this was another whining thread :D

Moving along now, I know practically nothin' about hard facts as an end-user

...besides it's crap

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

Linux is comparable to Windows 7 (NT) in terms of RT, that is completely off the charts regarding RT but good at running tons of processes where exact timing is no issue, like on a PC.

For mobile phones, running tons of processes has limited advantage, but RT capabilities becomes increasingly important when the HW spec gets lower and simpler. Nokia is in the need for something that also work well in the sub 200$ range to replace Symbian, and that doesn't suck the life out of the batteries in a couple of hours.

Re: The future of your Nokia Windows phone
 

The logic of your argument is wrong. Debates do not require experts, only different opinions. Since you are not contributing with an opinion, you are worthless. :)