Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

There is a chance, though we don't know yet. That a N900 MeeGo DE release could contain some closed components from Harmatten/N950, but don't get your hopes up. :)

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

The good news is that at least DSP codecs are bloody easy to install. And with the creativity of this community, I'm sure someone will provide an installer..

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We can always hope :)

Then again its Nokia, chances of them doing anything nice like that for us are kinda remote :(

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Does this mean the N900 will become something like the nexus one? Also will Sygic Mobile Maps work on Meego? I get lost way too much and my phone needs nav on it.

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yes ofcourse its going on a way like nexus one and yes i think that just nokia is making MEEGO DE for its upcoming handset N950 and they are willing to test it on our n900 and i expect the specifications to be same a our beloved N900. Till this device will be out at the year end many of our developers will have many applications for use on meego so nokia will has played a game with us. its making people work for free as giving n900 a meego de editions and making profits its self. As there will be many applications for meego people will buy meego handset and nokia will be on track again.
If i am wrong please do correct me. i dont want to hurt anyone's feeling. I do Love my n900.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Makes sense. Though cannot help but think Elop saying that they would give out the 1st Meego device to devs means Nokia giving out whatever N900s they have left flashed with Meego DE.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

We already have Maemo 5 on N900 now.

What we want now is more attractive apps.

What is the meaning for MeeGo DE running on an N900 ?

Just another unstable RPM-package management open-source crap ?

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That, or just another option for people who are looking to the future where there won't be any maemo devices but will be a lot of meego devices, and making apps so that you will have them then instead of still whining abo9ut unattractive apps?

Or for people who want a more open-source system.

Or for people who are fed up with tearing and want proper vsync support.

Or for people who just want to piss you off by running a different OS.

BTW. normally we would force you to install this to your N900, but since you protest so loud, we'll make an exception this once and let you decide what you want to run. So if you don't like it, don't install it (just cause we're that nice). :rolleyes:

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I think this is short sighted. Maemo is a dead end, from the development point of view. The CSSU people are doing a great work, but the core packages are not going to change.

A MeeGo distribution, instead, would mean modern base packages, and an upgrade path -- hopefully an upgrade every six months...

And applications may not be the best in the class from the start -- I don't know, but open source means improvement need not come from the vendor.

If the device keeps being useful for its core functions, and has an upgrade path, I would not ask for anything else. Ultimately, it will be in the community hands.

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Well, the one that you should care about - Qt and Mobility - will be updated one way or the other, and on that level, Maemo and MeeGo APIs are identical. And indeed - from a development standpoint (with the notable exception of OBS) the difference between Maemo and MeeGo is a lot smaller than it is for end-users.

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You are right, from the hobby developer point of view (such as myself), maemo is currently the easy option. I have not yet bothered with MeeGo, just because it is not read for a day to day use. And I am playing with something I am developing for my own use, which must work on a workable device.

But it looks like there will not be (many?) official updates to Maemo.
So having the same Qt libraries will involve extras-devel or some such, and harder time at installation.

And of course, Maemo ecosystem comprises one device, while hopefully, there will be a few MeeGo devices in a while. I think that is still a plan for players other than Nokia...

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It's a lot better than that. Of course all these updates will start their career in extras-devel, but they should be no harder to install than any application (and even that is only because we would probably not want to push updates on that scale automatically, not because it cannot be done).

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Fine, stick with it.

Then convince people to write them.

To have a reasonably functional install of MeeGo on the N900 for development purposes, obviously. It could always be extended into being something more generally useful.

Instead of just flinging barbs and misinformation, perhaps you could stick to the basic questions?

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Maybe I'm just being optimistic (esp given the history of the Diablo CSSU) but I really think Meego DE + Cordia + Community CSSU Meego Edition has the potential to be epic.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

I tried the latest weekly build of meego, whilst nothing works at the moment (no phone usage, no wifi usage, settings menu broken, UI unusably slow), I have to say the rotation works really well - no tearing, I think insanely smooth and fast as well.

I'm fairly used to using weekly (and daily) builds, I would say there is good improvement since the 1.1 release [UI slowness is a nasty one that needs looking at, it has too anyway]

I'm looking forward to a more usable UI so I can start doing the coding I wanted to for the n900, hopefully there will be more interest in people actually wanting to code (community wise) for the n900 than there was for maemo/n900

And yes, I WILL be trying the release candidate, and I'm not moaning about weekly/daily builds being **** - that generally is the point - they are hit and miss! That's all the fun

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Yeah, last weeks weekly was just a nightmare. This week should be better, I think..

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People wonder why Nokia would do this, but from looking at the bigger picture, I would be disappointed if they didn't do something like this. Fact is, WM7 is owned by someone other than Nokia and at any point Microsoft could cut the cord (or the other way around) or limit what Nokia can do with it.

While they don't own Meego, no one else really does either, and they can contribute and build on it what they will.

Not saying that I'm happy about the decisions Nokia made, considering I still think they cut themselves off at the knees if this decision discourages people from writing QT apps, but if Nokia wants to continue to be a mover and shaker in this industry, they can't do it while having to depend on another company for their OS choice.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Seems to me the pure plan A has been modified in the direction of the plan B, but maybe it is just wishful thinking.

Will Meego DE 4 N900 have RPM-support and -packet management?

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

I am just guesstimating... but the announcement was about meego 1.2, which means rpm.

The weekly snapshots for the N900 adaptation are based on vanilla meego, what I understood from the announcement is they are going to add application to this base for the most important use cases - phone, sms, browsing.

I do not know if there is a gui for the package manager, but I could wait for that for another release.

But maybe there are more applications waiting than the minimum; it is possible they will be released as well, maybe without the final polish.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

On the plus side, battery charging was working from the wall charger with last week's weekly build, which helped me out of a tight spot where my battery was almost drained and my rootfs screwed. Thanks to it giving me just enough juice to run a nanddump, I was able to recover my rootfs without a full reflash, for which I'm eternally grateful to it ;)

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I have to say that this is all positive news. I'm wondering if someone on the Nokia board has stipulated that it would be useful to keep a hand in on the 'alternative' os. Call it a development / hacker / poweruser platform but it is another option for the future, afterall the MS deal is only for 5 years... A lot can happen in that time.
Ref the N950, assuming that this will be a souped up N900 now, dual core, extra faster memory, faster graphics chip, same screen? strengthened and reengineered usb port ;)

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

How one is supposed to update?
Reflash (i.e. copy new image on SD) or there's some sort of "zypper update"?

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Also, how can we developers actually help?
Just grabbing an unassigned bug and try to fix it?

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

@anidel

Click on the link in my signature.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

:p

"I want to help!

Great :) We will have specific areas listed where we would need help. For now, try the N900 Handset image, and file or fix the bugs you see."

I know that, read already. But while waiting, I'd like to start looking a something more deep than just filing bugs.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Oh, sorry, duh; it's in the first post. I saw it for the first time in a slashdot comment this morning.

I'm fashionably late, and ready to party!

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Anidel, - I think the project is getting ramped up right now

Initial steps I'd do if I were you:

* Join meego-porting@meego.com and meego-handset@meego.com (that's the primary areas the N900 things will be discussed)
* Hang out in #meego-arm
* Follow http://qa-reports.meego.com/1.2/Handset/Acceptance/N900 and see if there's anything in your interest area
* Play a little with Intel's Tablet UX, it's likely many of the applications there will replace existing MTF-based ones in Handset
* Learn QML if you haven't already ;)

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

I belive its just a waste of time. N900 will never be a laymans device or any of the linux OS. this will be always a toy for geeks. Coz i have noticed when maemo or meego takes one crawl IPHONE or android takes one high jump. popularity of these device or OS is zero compare to others. Linux has still long way to go and im sorry for that.if meego 1.2 is released in april 2011 then also there will be million of bugs. Yet after so many updates maemo crashed hundred times and yet not stable.And people will hav to wait more than a year for application.nokia tried harder to stay in the market then only they tied up with windows.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

And yet you keep creating smurf accounts under different names to spout the same crap over and over again. If you are going to pretend to be 5 different people you should at least adopt a style of speech/writing that doesn't make you sound like a ***** in each one.

Coz?

Honestly - you would think people would have better things to do with their time than haunt a forum and post garbage over and over.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Right, so when you engage that brain of yours, do you not realise that Android has linux roots?

Also that Android 1.6 was a pile of crap?

And how iOS 1 was Pretty and smooth but HEAVILY feature lacking?

Guess you seem to forget MeeGo hasn't even had a public release yet! Also my N900 works pretty damn well and tbh if you are just going to moan then go have fun with an Android or iPhone device.

Instead of wasting my time with notifications for threads with your random, pointless and incredibly stupid trolling...

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Guys calm down. Take the chill pill and everything is better. :)

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Anybody been able to get the weekly build from this week running? When I flash the kernel, the backlight does not come on and it hangs until I remove the battery. It's the second build from March 8th (no6?)...

Oops...forgot to untar the image....

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

For those of you interested, we have our first IRC meeting on tuesday 11:00 UTC (yes, we do mean it seriously when we say this will be done in the open):

http://bit.ly/gT16HV

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

is this latest news,for meego release???

http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry...irmed-by-Nokia

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

LMAO you really dont know what your are talking about. You juist feed the trolls with garbage.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

i have some questions about meego
1.will meego be officially released for n900 via fw update?
2. which flash player version will meego have?
3. is it possible to install maemo apps in meego?

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

1. This has been answered before with 'Not for consumers". However, I am not sure if that remain the official answer.
3. It is possible to install Maemo Qt apps in MeeGo and MeeGo Qt apps in Maemo. About other Maemo apps, someone else will have to answer.

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No. If an general audiences form of MeeGo is released, it is unlikely that it will be done by Nokia. Instead, it will likely be done by the community in some fashion and will require that you manually switch to it.

None, unless Adobe decides to play nice and release one. Otherwise, it is up to device vendors or derivative distributions to negotiate Flash for it.

Theoretically yes, and to some degree in practice.

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

Apparently yes (though it will technically be a reflash, not an OTA update), but be careful not to misunderstand what official here means. It will be published by Nokia, but not *supported* by Nokia care or other Nokia help lines (hence the "Developer Edition" moniker). If you go to a Nokia shop with such a MeeGo powered N900, you will likely get blank stares and be suggested to flash back to Maemo.

That will depend on Adobe's business interests. At this point only third-party porting support has been announced (Movial?).

Not directly (architectural differences mean that they will need to be recompiled and repackaged).

Re: MeeGo 1.2 Developer Edition for N900
 

The latest build for MeeGo 1.1.9.0.7 is rather smooth in transitions. But the problem is the crashes when opening application and trying to get back to homescreen.

-Lock screen works
-power button works
-connect to wifi
-music player (work but buggy)
-Video player works (but buggy)