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I had this idea that the iphone would potentially make the n800 seem antiquated, however after reading of it's full functionality and such... I am seeing that could be an opportunity for Nokia to really push the n800 as an alternative hand-held multimedia device.

Previously I was not very impressed to ever hear the iphone compared but as time goes by I am finding that the n800 can do everything the iphone plans to do and more.

It's almost like I could envision the 2 devices in a race and right before the finish line the iphone became the iflop and tripped up right before the finish line and not sure if it can actually get up...

I am certainly no fanboy of the n800 it does have some things which need to be fixed, but the good thing is, the community has the ability to provide those fixes rather than being held at the reigns of the corporation.

I just expected so much more from Apple, but then again when you look at how proprietary they have been with the iPod, and now they have sold themself out to intel their credibility doesn't stand so strong.

I remember when Apple was struggling, looking like it was not able to continue on in the market from making some really big mistakes, I hope this is not a re-run!

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for me it's a cold shower to hear that the SIM card is soldered. scary to put your head on the block of a telecom op.
never, sorry.

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I believe there is a SIM slot in the phone, but the phone is locked to AT&T and no idea how fast it will be before it is hacked.

Click on 'SIM Card Slot' in the left panel to see location.

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The SIM card is not soldered, but the battery is soldered.

Means: either throw it away after 2 years, or expect an expensive battery exchange by Apple service.

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They didn't sell out. The PPC was dead. Could not go faster without heat problems and Apple got tired of promises and waiting for the impossible. Intel, and their faster and more energy efficient processor was a natural way to go. Yes, it ticked off Apple purist but Motorola could not deliver the goods.

Apple will fix the iPhone as they usually do with their products. There is also a reason for keeping the iPod priority. If it had been open source, I do not think it would have gotten very far along. They could however open things up for development and then certify applications as "for Ipod" or whatever.

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sorry misread or got confused. maybe they know that after 2 years, the usage value of the.iphone will be so low compared to possible iphone x or other competition devices that it won't worth changing the battery?

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Good point. I spoke to a few friends here in Finland (in and out of Nokia) about this battery issue. They do not think a wired battery will work with the phone. It is nice that the iPod batteries are somewhat user replaceable (have to order a kit), but the one piece jobbie will not cut it.

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Are you serious? a soldered battery connection? What on earth are they thinking over at Cupertino?

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Users don't replace the battery, Apple does :/

Anyways, most of the quibbles about mms/ichat/copy+paste will likely be in free updates. Its a pretty solid platform and steve-o said the same OS is moving over to the ipods... they are building a nice new mobile platform. I just expect it to reach full polish faster than our Nokia tablets.

I hope Nokia keeps up this attention they are giving the N800 and keep building up the Maemo platform.

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iFlop is such a hilarious title for this thread. I'm seeing news reports that Piper Jaffray estimates 500,000 "iFlops" sold the first weekend. WTF would they have to do to not be an "iFlop"???

I typically visit this site thinking I'll learn new things about the n800 (I certainly did yesterday thanks to Mara).

My image of Linux users is that they are MORE sophisticated than average computer users, not drastically LESS so. Puhlease!

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I played with the iphone over the weekend at an ATT store. The screen resolution is excellent. Even though my N800 has a higher "resolution", I honestly could NOT see a difference. I felt the iPhone web look as good as my N800. I was impressed.

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I got a 4gb iphone as a gift this Friday night (I would have gotten the 8gb had I payed for it). The phone does what apple says how they say. I see a large number of people complaining about what it can't do. True it is by no means perfect and there is much that it can't do that other devices such as the n800 can. In the end for me it comes down to the same thing I tell people when they complain that the n800 can't do this or that. It does what it was made to do well. That you have other expectations of whatever device is your hang up. In the end I am happy with what I got. If apple comes through with the updates to the device as promised, I will buy an 8gb and gift this one to my brother.

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Would be very interested to here about some battery life tests that you can perform, music playback etc. The figures quoted by Apple appear to be optimistic when tested by some reviewers.

http://www.wirelessinfo.com/content/...ttery-Life.htm

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I charged and synced the phone on friday night. (no activation issues) On Sat and Sun I left the house at about 6am and did not see an outlet until I arrived home at about midnight. During that time I used the ipod portion pretty much throughout the entire day. (obviously not continuously) I also have the wifi and bluetooth on. I have 3 mail accounts checking automatically every 15min. I used the phone for 15 calls on sat and for 10 calls on sun. I sent/got about 30 sms on sat and 40 on sun. I browsed the web quite often as I do with my n800. Data usage on the phone shows 137mb received and 36 sent. I also spent much extra time playing with/showing people the features of the phone. Watched several video podcasts on both days. At the end of each day it showed battery left over and was still in the green. Not sure if the indicator will turn red as on the ipod, but I would think so. Either way I imagine there could not be much time before it turned red. So For me battery life seems to be a non issue. My Pearl never got me through the day, the curve has kept it's place as my second phone although it was a tough choice between that and the 8800. The iPhone has for the moment replaced one of my blackberries for more than 1 day which no other pda has been able to do thusfar. (talking about AT&T carried)

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Nice post and spot on. Question for you.

My mother retired from AT&T/Lucent and has the option to get an iPhone with a plan. I was told by Apple that I should get the plan, then cancel it and use the iPhone with only the wifi, and iPod, etc.... options. However, I heard that if the plan is cancelled, the iPhone become inoperable again with no functions working. Is this true, and if you have time, can you verify this? If I can get an iPhone for the time being until they come out in Europe, as I do not mind paying for another one. Thanks in advance.

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I dont the answer to your question, but I would bet very heavily, you will see very soon, an iPhone without the phone.. in other words, an iPod/Internet combo that will be wifi/ BT DUN like the N 800. With a combo, like that, I would be inclined to sale my iPod Video and N800 and go to this one device. I like my Treo 755p for business and would use it as a phone as modem for the iPod/Internet combo. I can see it coming ! It would sell well but I need a 40GB or so for all my music, movies, etc.

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Thanks 555 :),

I am on the phone with Apple to verify and then to AT&T. Check this out and tell me what you think of this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19545787/ . What happens if I don't renew the subscription at the end of the month? Does the phone die or does the phone service die?

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I have removed the sim card and used the iphone as an ipod. One of the first things I tried. Wifi worked the first time I tried it at home, but not at a friends house. I haven't tried again, but will when I get off work.
If your contract expires your plan just continues on a month to month basis. I know people that have been on a month to month for over a year now.

Sorry should have read the article first. If your on prepay and they cannot bill you, the service is suspended.

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There is no secret code by the way. Reps typically enter in all 1's or 9's if you don't have a social security #. Customers without a social will be required to pay a $500 deposit or activate as prepay. The deposit must be paid at a brick and mortar AT&T store.

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Hey nef919,

Thanks mate. Just got off the phone, and you are spot on. My mother can run down and get one, and get me the prepaid plan. I will keep it and either sell it when the European versions come out or give it to my daughter. Thanks for your help dude. Appreciate it.

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It's funny how similar the iPhone dialogs are to those about the 770 and N800. ;)

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So whats the current status, what can the iPhone do that the N800 can't, except the obvious take cell phone calls... What makes the iPhone better, is there anything?

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What can it do that the N800 cannot? It can sync with PIM applications. That's a biggie.

Other than that, there isn't anything major that I can think of that the iPhone does that the N800 does. HOWEVER, the appeal of the iPhone doesn't necessarily lie in the fact that it can do absolutely everything, but that it does a lot of very important things very well and in a very slick and easy to use interface.

For example, the web browser is infinitely more usable than the N800 browser. It's slicker, more responsible, easier to navigate. The text input is considerably better than the N800. The navigation around the iPhone is very slick, very easy to use and very well designed.

The iPhone is an example of what Apple does best. It develops a functional product that has a user interface design par excellence.

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an application was developped to sync. refer to google calendar is there a turnaround in the active thread.

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Easy.

The interface actually looks like its from 2007.

When you scroll, it doesn't tear and look like doodoo

It can actually play high quality video (640x480 h.264)

The media player is actually fast, and easy to navigate.

The email client isn't a peice of crap.

YouTube works perfectly. And its actually superior to the flash stream, encoded in h.264.

Typing on it is way faster.

Its 11.5mm thick and can surf the web for 7 hours, or watch 9 hours of video.

It syncs contacts, and calendar (omg lol)

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I bought the 8GB iphone. It's a very slick device. The functions that it was designed to do, it does well. Bluetooth is crippled since it can only hook up to a headset, you cannot sync the device through bluetooth or wifi.
Does it replace the N800? Not in all tasks. I like the web surfing experience I get with the Iphone and the touch screen is more responsive than the N800.
It's a little sad that this device will have to compete with the N800, since there are a lot less people into the whole Maemo Linux enviornment. The target consumer for the Iphone has a much larger population on the N800. I am afraid that development for the N800 will suffer.

A lot of people do complain about the device, and I don't truly understand their gripes since I am not in the same situation as they are. The iphone just simply works as it was shown in the Keynote and commercials. People probably don't think that it is worth the 500 or 600 dollar price tag for its limited functions. Then again, is any phone or internet tablet worth $600? We always want the most for our money, and a device that we can enjoy. I had that same feeling with the N800 when I got it, now I have that feeling with the iphone. I am sure in another year, some company will make a device I will crave and spend insane amounts of money for... Maybe even a google phone.. the gphone?

Getting back on the topic a little, I hardly consider the iphone a flop, its seems to be a winner. The hardest thing to do is to get normal people to part with their money... and apple did that.. amazingly.

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Maybe if Nokia held a big convention and advertised they where going to announce an amazing new product and held a big presentation that was picked up by the networks everyone would have gone out and purchased the n800

This is probably because Nokia's ideal customers are in europe and other countries where the cell phone has seemingly been more popular...

At this point this is probably the last Nokia device I purchase ever and it's probably at least my 3rd or 4th expensive Nokia device that I have purchased...

I did like my ipod I didn't go nowhere without it, but after I lost it, I didn't care to replace it.

I love gaming, I use the internet often and I spend quite a bit of time on the phone, would I like a device that can do all 3, YES!

Is there a true solution out there that covers all 3 in a handheld device that offers a truely user friendly operating system that developers also feel excited about ... personally I do not think so...

Are we close to it... YES.....

If some phone company wants to hire me and pay me a decent salary I would love to help design the next generation phone... but for that to happen, the company would need to be very open to what people really want.

NO STRINGS HANDHELD DEVICE, non proprietary power/usb connections, properly tested, diagonally flips out to a fully functional screen, bluetooth connectivity with nothing disabled.... give the consumer the device they really want.... put a $800 price tag on it and I will buy it, even $1000...

It's not about the money, it's about giving people what they want...

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I agree. As of today, 1,000,000 units sold. Hardly a flop....

I can't use the thing (company provided carrier). If I could
I pro'lly wouldn't buy it @ $600. Mostly because of what it could do but wont by design.
The N800 @ $400 still can't do a lot with the hardware it provides but things keep getting better. Granted I sometimes feel I paid $400 for the privilege of being a Nokia beta tester. And, without full access to, or at least knowledge of its API's, independent development may be limited to how many different ways we can skin the media player :p ... but at least with the N800 there is hope!

A couple of things are now evident because of the iPhone.

First, Apple has shown just how much average consumers en masse are willing to spend on a freakin' phone.
This raises the bar sadly, just when competition and volume were starting to drive prices down.

And second, after the newness wears off and the honeymoon is over, there will be a million+ people out there scratchin' their heads and saying; "Is that it? What was I thinking?"

:D

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I doubt very much that initial sales have been to 'average consumers'.

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Well said! I could not agree more.

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http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x.../nokian800.jpg

This is what I say to Apple and iPhone, please review this welcome message, courtesy testerj :p

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Does that opera icon come as a short cut? Is it part of a theme??

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Its' the Vista theme for internet tablets, here is the thread
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ht=vista+theme

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thanks a lot... will try it out later. Looks cool!!

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A milllllllllllllllll-yon, not the 98th percentile.... 1 in every 270 US citizens.

Sounds pretty average to me.

Kinda like Chrysler's PT Cruiser's...

We are not talking young, hip, thin, and all sporting $120 haircuts. We're talking grandma and grandpa, Home Depot cashiers, Dental Hygienists, and Jiffy Lube mechanics. :)

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Maybe urban areas, such as the one in which I live - Chicago, haven't been hit by the hype yet. I have yet to see a single grandma/pa, HomeDepot cashier, dental hygienist or mechanic sport one. They all still seem to be carrying Samsungs, LG and Nokia phones.

Now, speaking of PT Cruisers, when I lived in San Francisco, I saw those everywhere when they first came out. Granted, San Francisco is a much smaller city, but they do tend to gravitate to the hip thing more so than other large American cities.

R.
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