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cjp 2011-03-26 08:31

MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Caught this off my Twitter stream:

http://www.meegoexperts.com/2011/03/...ng-nokia-n900/

It shows the MeeGo tablet UX on a N900. Anyone on the MeeGo mailing list will know about this.

Anyone getting around to trying it, posting video and sharing results? :)

http://www.meegoexperts.com/wp-conte...xperts-560.jpg

droitwichgas 2011-03-26 09:20

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Video already shown on this link:-

http://sagestechblog.blogspot.com/20...t-release.html

It looks very promsing for the future?

Stskeeps 2011-03-26 10:41

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Hot, isn't it?

(Some things still to be cleared out)

tissot 2011-03-26 11:28

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Orientation of the screen and speed are not of course anything amazing, but i'm surprised how nicely the UI translates to the N900, example how nicely the panel view is on the small 3.5" screen.

droitwichgas 2011-03-26 12:02

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 976027)
Hot, isn't it?

(Some things still to be cleared out)

Carsten

This seems an exciting developement do you think it is possible that we may get the meego tab UI as the default UI on top of the meego os in the not to distant future on the N900?

Could that mean we could also get most of the meego apps & even flash 10 as well on the N900, assumsing the CPU etc is up to running the apps?

Keep up your fantastic work.

NvyUs 2011-03-26 12:05

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
that's a thing of beauty, love the look of it.
Will be amazing with some optimization work

Stskeeps 2011-03-26 12:17

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 976057)
Carsten

This seems an exciting developement do you think it is possible that we may get the meego tab UI as the default UI on top of the meego os in the not to distant future on the N900?

Could that mean we could also get most of the meego apps & even flash 10 as well on the N900, assumsing the CPU etc is up to running the apps?

Keep up your fantastic work.

As far as I can tell, Intel intends this to be a unified UX for handset, IVI and tablet. So maybe N900 DE will move in this direction

Flash 10 isn't related to this discussion - if someone compiles it for MeeGo ARM, it might work - as with any MeeGo app.

mishmich 2011-03-26 12:37

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 976065)
As far as I can tell, Intel intends this to be a unified UX for handset, IVI and tablet. So maybe N900 DE will move in this direction

Flash 10 isn't related to this discussion - if someone compiles it for MeeGo ARM, it might work - as with any MeeGo app.

What about Chromium? That was the default browser on the netbook UX when I tried it out. Is it on the n900 port?

Stskeeps 2011-03-26 12:40

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mishmich (Post 976076)
What about Chromium? That was the default browser on the netbook UX when I tried it out. Is it on the n900 port?

We have chromium but there's multiple choices ongoing, most work is ongoing in fennec-qt currently..

joppu 2011-03-26 13:47

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
If the Tablet UX is this scalable, what's the point then with the separate Handset UI which seems to use a different UX paradigm at least to some extent?

droitwichgas 2011-03-26 14:26

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joppu (Post 976101)
If the Tablet UX is this scalable, what's the point then with the separate Handset UI which seems to use a different UX paradigm at least to some extent?

It sounds from Stekeeps response above there might not be hence why Intel just want to use the one meego ui in future?

jinnn_1989 2011-03-26 17:22

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
can any one help. i have downloaded the images from the site (http://sagestechblog.blogspot.com/20...t-release.html) and got kernel file from the repo. but when i am flashing the kernel file its show me dos thn something written on it and then it got to a black or dark blue like screen and stops there.. wht could be the problem?

cjp 2011-03-26 17:26

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joppu (Post 976101)
If the Tablet UX is this scalable, what's the point then with the separate Handset UI which seems to use a different UX paradigm at least to some extent?

Exactly. And I don't get how this doesn't have the panes were used to on tablet devices? What's going on here? Or is this a view of the apps menu (only)? I hope no time was wasted making Handset and Tablet, only to see them come this close towards the end. :)

droitwichgas 2011-03-26 18:30

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjp (Post 976151)
I hope no time was wasted making Handset and Tablet, only to see them come this close towards the end. :)

I am not sure if we ahve actually ever seen an handset UI but if one was developed then no doubt all that time & effort has been wasted, but perhpas this sums up what was going on in the Nokia developement world before Elop arrived i.e. not real joined my thinking between various developers?

Stskeeps 2011-03-26 19:01

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Handset and Tablet are really Intel work, nothing to deal with Nokia work except some shared components.. Tablet (or unified UX as some call it) is an evolution of Handset (which was made in MeeGo Touch Framework), with a lot of things remade in QML. And it's actually a lot better.

Mentalist Traceur 2011-03-26 19:19

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Funny enough, I kinda liked some of the elements of the handset UX more... like the panels of this thing, and I like the plan of unifying handheld and tablet UIs. More unification between UXs means less users feeling like their devices actually are unified, more intuitiveness when switching, etc. That said, this makes me happy, since another UX going open source certainly is a good thing.

cjp 2011-03-27 08:39

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
I can't wait for people to get cracking on this now that it's open source. Why is it o-s only now, though? I bet some closed-s compinents had to be finished before it could be "released" as o-s?

tswindell 2011-03-27 10:13

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Because Intel like to do big reveals of mostly working code. Which is kind of cool if you like suprises. But is also a good tactic for marketting the platform :)

pedrocoba 2011-03-27 11:16

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Is this the same as the previous V1.1 MeeGo?

If not the same, how can I get a tutor MeeGo UX can run on my N900? :)

jo21 2011-03-27 11:51

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
does anyone know how messanging is done on meego?

i like how everything is using telepathy and conversation n900 ubuntu

its the same for meego?
edit: after watching the video this loosk more complete than WP7, wtf elop thinking?

vivmak 2011-03-27 12:07

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 976027)
Hot, isn't it?

(Some things still to be cleared out)

Indeed hot, is there a possibility of adding maps and navigations to MeeGo DE now that Nokia has chosen and different path?

tswindell 2011-03-27 12:38

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jo21 (Post 976526)
does anyone know how messanging is done on meego?

i like how everything is using telepathy and conversation n900 ubuntu

its the same for meego?
edit: after watching the video this loosk more complete than WP7, wtf elop thinking?

Elop is seeing that as we are, it was an Intel project. MeeGo does indeed also use telepathy for its' IM backend.

cjp 2011-03-27 13:28

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jo21 (Post 976526)
edit: after watching the video this loosk more complete than WP7, wtf elop thinking?

The "MeeGo" that Nokia is/was working on is actually more like Maemo 6 than MeeGo. I think Elop saw Maemo 6 not close enough to the "real" MeeGo, thought Intel's MeeGo should be the thing for Nokia to work on, but deemed that too immature to use as #1 platform and didn't go with it full force just yet.

I think this could be the reason for suddenly flagging a N900 MeeGo release with a green flag (MeeGo DE). They want MeeGo in-house ASAP, but will also give Maemo 6 a chance.

Could be talking out of my behind here, but I trust stskeeps to correct me where he can. ;)

Stskeeps 2011-03-27 13:34

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjp (Post 976567)
The "MeeGo" that Nokia is/was working on is actually more like Maemo 6 than MeeGo. I think Elop saw Maemo 6 not close enough to the "real" MeeGo, thought Intel's MeeGo should be the thing for Nokia to work on, but deemed that too immature to use as #1 platform and didn't go with it full force just yet.

I think this could be the reason for suddenly flagging a N900 MeeGo release with a green flag (MeeGo DE). They want MeeGo in-house ASAP, but will also give Maemo 6 a chance.

Could be talking out of my behind here, but I trust stskeeps to correct me where he can. ;)

I have no idea what Elop thinks. Also, please say "MeeGo.com", not Intel's MeeGo, it offends us who works on MeeGo ARM :)

I don't know what the reason is for the DE approval, I speculated in a thread somewhere, you can read what I thought. It's in everyone's interest to get a proper meego.com that looks, feels and tastes nice.

DE's more of a playground that may yield something remotely usable for hacker types, not a Nokia product :)

mikecomputing 2011-03-27 13:37

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jo21 (Post 976526)
does anyone know how messanging is done on meego?

i like how everything is using telepathy and conversation n900 ubuntu

its the same for meego?
edit: after watching the video this loosk more complete than WP7, wtf elop thinking?

I am sorry now I being a bit offtopic but must repsonse to your comment:

well thats why Microsoft want Nokia... They want to steal the best technology from QtQuick in the software area.
History has shown it before when companys has started to work with Microsoft :mad:

With that I dont mean they actually will take Qt and make it closed but there is other ways. For example make no people/companys use Qt by spreading FUD, that includes Elop :mad: and then ripoff the best stuff and implement it in theyr OS (WP7).

To mee its obvious Elop is sponsored by Microsoft and at the moment the Nokia employers/qtconsults including some board members figting hard too convince people too continue using Qt. All those people including me knows that Microsoft is only winner if people stop make apps for Qt(Quick) on Maemo/Meego/Symbian. So its nice to see every new QtQuick app created atm :-)



/offtopic

Also nice to see the UI rewritten in QtQuick to me it seems bad idea continue handset UI cause its written in C++ and make it harder to change withourt breaking API etc.. My guess it is also far more simple make UI with QtQuick than with old QtWidgets :)

cjp 2011-03-27 14:19

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 976571)
I have no idea what Elop thinks. Also, please say "MeeGo.com", not Intel's MeeGo, it offends us who works on MeeGo ARM :)

OK I am sorry, I did try to think of a decent term to describe the two MeeGos. MeeGo.com is good.

JamesBond@ge 2011-03-27 20:24

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Intels MeeGo.

NOT IN THE FACE!

;)

ceroberts75 2011-03-27 23:41

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
has anyone been able to load it successfully on a n900?


i cannot get it on the n900.

please post your sequences if you wouldnt mind! ;)

jo21 2011-03-28 01:16

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjp (Post 976567)
The "MeeGo" that Nokia is/was working on is actually more like Maemo 6 than MeeGo. I think Elop saw Maemo 6 not close enough to the "real" MeeGo, thought Intel's MeeGo should be the thing for Nokia to work on, but deemed that too immature to use as #1 platform and didn't go with it full force just yet.

I think this could be the reason for suddenly flagging a N900 MeeGo release with a green flag (MeeGo DE). They want MeeGo in-house ASAP, but will also give Maemo 6 a chance.

Could be talking out of my behind here, but I trust stskeeps to correct me where he can. ;)

i doubt it, they named n950 a one device.
demed meego a research project, and say after it it going to move developers somewhere else.

Dr.Heyde 2011-03-28 05:54

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ceroberts75 (Post 976838)
has anyone been able to load it successfully on a n900?


i cannot get it on the n900.

please post your sequences if you wouldnt mind! ;)

If you have the U-Boot(for Power-Kernel) installed, you can start it easily from the microsd card. That Works 100%

Write the raw image only to the Microsd an insert them to the n900.

ceroberts75 2011-03-28 06:51

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Heyde (Post 976897)
If you have the U-Boot(for Power-Kernel) installed, you can start it easily from the microsd card. That Works 100%

Write the raw image only to the Microsd an insert them to the n900.

i get this:

Code:

wrong image format from boot command
error:  cant get kernel image


mece 2011-03-28 06:54

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ceroberts75 (Post 976910)
i get this:

Code:

wrong image format from boot command
error:  cant get kernel image


Had the same problem. Boot with old method:
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Insta...#Running_Meego

uboot started working for me after that for some reason.

ceroberts75 2011-03-28 07:08

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
yes. did this.

i dl'd and trnsfered the ks file to the flasher folder, just like how we used to have to flash the OC.

used this

Code:

$ sudo flasher-3.5 -l -k <kernel> -b
it tried it with the $ and got not such command

i tried it without the $ and got cannot find image.

ceroberts75 2011-03-28 07:09

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
is there a way i can do this from the xterminal now as i only have access to a 64bit pc at the moment.

mece 2011-03-28 09:48

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ceroberts75 (Post 976918)
is there a way i can do this from the xterminal now as i only have access to a 64bit pc at the moment.

What operating system are you using? The command assumes linux with flasher installed.

Get flasher here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-d...-downloads.php

If you're using windows 7 64 bit then you need this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=20

EDIT: The ks file is NOT the kernel. the vmlinuz file is the kernel.

jo21 2011-03-28 10:11

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
i wanna test it out.
can u use uboot,powerkernel v46, and microsd method?

where i can get the image?

cjp 2011-03-28 13:17

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jo21 (Post 977003)
i wanna test it out.
can u use uboot,powerkernel v46, and microsd method?

where i can get the image?

From the second post in this thread: http://sagestechblog.blogspot.com/20...t-release.html

ceroberts75 2011-03-28 14:31

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
ill have my 32bit pc back today.

yes, i use flasher.

i havent had issues in the past flashing my devices.

i must be missing something small here.


i have dl'd the raw zip, unzipped it on my pc...it is 1.7gb unzipped.


transfered the raw file over to the microsd.


i think the challenge is the kernel.

i currently do have the v46 pwer kernel installed.

on his website, there is a ks file that only dl's as a standard text file.

maxximuscool 2011-03-29 23:44

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Here is a sneak preview of the MeeGo 1.1.99 Handset UX on N900.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1po23AuXKns

I hope you all like it :D

mishmich 2011-03-30 02:59

Re: MeeGo Tablet UX on the N900, now OS
 
Does this mean that the keyboard doesn't work yet, and that the phone display only works in portrait?


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