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Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Just do it soon so that it doesnt have to be called the Meego 2012 coding competition :)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

fyi

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Hi Aslan,

do you have any news regarding the set-up?

Thanks and best regards,
Cosimo

Donation update:
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Thanks!

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

some updates:

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Hello,

On behalf of Maemo Council, if you are worried about server load, feel free to send and stagger nine emails. The delay in voting was already a couple months before this internal ticket was opened and has now become a deep concern.

Rob (SD69)

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Dear Aslan or anyone available at Nemein,

Do you have ANY news for me?

Thanks,
Cosimo

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Hi,

Aslan is currently away, I will look into it.

Best regards,
Riku Virta
Nemein

Have a nice day and don't let Nokia trick you into their Windows Phone marketing... ;)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

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Hi,

After filtering out all the users newer than 2011-06-20 this whole thing would still generate around 57000 emails.
Do you really want this to be done?

Am I missing something? because this seems to be madness.

//Riku Virta
//Nemein

Am I missing something, or is this correct?

edit: just got another email:

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Hi,

Before the voting part for the 2011 coding competition really gets out
of hand I decided to check the situation.

For elections in the past we always filtered the number of people who
were eligible to vote. The filtering was done based on the karma value.
This filtering ensured that we are not sending out tens of thousands of
emails in a batch. The 2011 coding competition now requires us to send a
minimum amount of ~57000 emails (which is already a lot). This number is
valid only if we change the mailing scripts and send 1 email per person
for all the 9 categories they can vote for. If we don't change the
mailing system then it means > 513k emails.

This is not going to happen as long as I am root on the maemo servers.
We are not going to become a spammer organization no matter what.

I would suggest to revise the plans and take this voting to a web based
system.

ferenc

I'm totally pissed and very near sending all the donations back (losing the PayPal fees) and say "screw the N900s and N9s!".

edit2: calmed a little bit. no I won't send back the donations. We'll lead this competition to a success. Period.

A possibility could be to filter the voters a little bit more, also based on karma.
Do you see any other way?
web-based-service: I won't give the email-addresses to _any_ webservice.

edit3: or just set up a forum voting. just like the last time. :/

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

I suggest following maemo-community [at] maemo [dot] org for the discussion.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

It would be interesting if they could give figures on how the number varies with different karma thresholds, and if they could say at which number of users they are happy emailing (e.g. are they happy when the number goes below 10,000, below 5,000, or what, and what karma threshold does this correspond to).

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

What karma threshold is used for the council election?

Perhaps we could bend our rules a little bit and use just the same karma.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Why cant we host the votes on TMO - and only allow TMO users who qualify to vote to participate in the vote? Sounds simple in my head but i'm sure this also has complexities.

We can then send one email to that user telling them elections are live and they should come to a <URL> to cast their vote.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

@zehjotkah,

One way to avoid calling this "spam" would be to have each person who wishes to vote send an e-mail (opt-in). Then the server checks if the person is qualified to vote and sends the 9 e-mails in one batch,

Hence it would be more like "on-demand voting" which would (1) clearly not be spam, and (2) spread (in time) the sending of e-mails, given that nobody would expect everyone (interested) to send the opt-in e-mail at the same time.

I really don't expect that >50K people will have interest in voting. So with the opt-in system (plus sufficient "publicity" so that people are at least aware of this) the number would be much more reduced.

PS: and please, if you filter on karma, make sure that karma >= 15 can still vote, otherwise I'm hosed :)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

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Originally Posted by afaq (Post 1119955)

We can then send one email to that user telling them elections are live and they should come to a <URL> to cast their vote.

But each voter gets a (unique) token, which has to be communicated somehow (individually). Hence the requirement for 1 (or 9) e-mails per potential voter.