Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

I would have prefered a out of the box solution - counted, evaluated and analyzed directly at Nemain without any community influence - but if it is replicable by anyone I'm fine with the script solution as I would be fine with the Borda system.

For the protocol: neal has participated at the contest - but luckily his application is not affected by this decision - he is at the second place in his category, no matter if we select the ftstv script or the borda system.

Anyway, do we have cases with the exact same number of votes and hence ties at one of the counting procedures?

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Borda is a bad solution. From wikipedia:

Thus, strategically, I should only vote for my submission (or my favorite submission) and not vote for any others. Consider the case where there are 3 submissions: A, B and C and my submission is A. To maximize my chance of winning, I should vote: A, because I give A 2 points and B and C 0. If I were instead to vote A, B, I'd give A 2 points and B 1 point, which hurts A.

The point of methods like STV is to eliminate this strategic voting. If I place A first, A gets my full support and it doesn't matter how I rank the rest of the candidates. I think most people understood the election in this sense (as it is how the maemo council election was run and how Debian does elections). Therefore, I am strongly against using Borda.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

As we "outsourced" the voting counting, and anyone can do it, I'm still for the idea, to use council voting style counting. There can be enough people to do the work and it wouldn't be too much for one person.
Use the voting with one seat. Do turns. Each turn remove the winner of the previous turn and we get a ranking.
The procedure should be done only 5 times to get winners for all prizes.
Running the script is easy, and removing the winner applications can be done with search/replace.
I would volunteer for a category or two.

Edit:

Sorry. Simple search/replace won't work, but... I can write a script that removes the winner from the file, and adjusts all other votes in the file.

I found this is the format of the file:
So we would need a script that would remove a number, for example 2 and decrement all bigger numbers in the votes.

Edit2: Unfortunately don't know if this would create ties. :(

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Mmmh... very good argument. :)

However, there is a small difference how the Borda system is implemented at openSTV compared to the description from wikipedia. The first place gets n-1 points. So at 5 submissions the first place gets 4 points and the last 0.

But your Argument is still valid. :rolleyes:

Yes, the STV system seems to me to be a little bit more fair to me - even if I have some problems to understand it. :D

We are never aware of strategical voting. Think about voting for your own project for number 1 and then only the underdogs, the worst working and always crashing projects and the top favourites at the last place. The STV system wouldn't cover such kind of strategical voting.
The best solution against all kind of strategical voting would be a large ballot and get many, many users to vote. But this was out of our control if only 1% of all email receivers used their chance to vote. :(

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

My script takes a simpler approach. What's the problem with my script?

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Sorry. How stupid of me! :eek: :(
We already have a mechanism to remove candidates, by saying they have withdrawn. It's even easier to run my proposal.

Here are the results I got, in less then 5 minutes :) :

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

That's a nice idea. Does it yield different results from the approach that I took? (Can you generate a diff, please.)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

There's no problem with the script, I think people were expecting the same voting process as for council voting.
With my solution I got the same result, in Business & Office Category, as when running the script with 5 seats, only now we have a ranking.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

??? My script generates a ranking.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

diff? Sorry, no.
I did it only on Business & Office Category, by hand. So run election for 1 seat, copy the winner. Add winner to the withdrawn list, run the election again.
I think it should give same results as frictional transfer, only we would have ranking.