Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

That's strange indeed. I just ran the election several times. From 12 runs in 7 runs Rockmarble is third placed and in the other 5 p-uae is third placed.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

I tried this with FTSTV and it seems this random issue does not appear there. Using FTSTV Rockmarble is constantly third placed.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Yes. I've run it several more times. Those two are changing.
From 20 runs I got: 11 p-uae and 9 Rockmarble.
More strange is how BashORGquotations always stays at 4th place.
I mean if it was a tie, it should move also randomly, right?

Looks like those two are last two, and when one of them is eliminated votes are transferred, and the second is pushed up to 3rd place.

I would say to move BashORGquotations to 3rd place.
In case there are 5 prizes, combine 4th and 5th the prize and split it 50-50 among p-uae and Rockmarble.
In case there are 4 prizes, split the 4th between them.
I'm suggesting this, because they're ties, and when one of them is eliminated it "pushes" the other to third place.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

I just ran neal's new script using FTSTV. These are the results I get:

MeeGo Coding Competition Business & Office Category
1 MeePasswords http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/68
2 LUCID iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4
3 ClipMan http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/13
4 MeeToDo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/74
5 Wallet http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/18
6 NewsG http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/76
7 Quick Milk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/78

MeeGo Coding Competition Location & Navigation Category
1 CloudGPS http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/81
2 modRana http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/80
3 GPS Sport Sniffer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/43
4 Nelisquare http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/73
5 Google Places http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/71
6 location2sms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/62
7 Bikster http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/58
8 FourCircle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/23
9 PGZ Every Trail http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/57
10 QMLCompass http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/59

MeeGo Coding Competition System & Utilities Category
1 Filebox http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/66
2 OMWeather http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/47
3 MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24
4 KhtEditor http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/60
5 QtWeather http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/45
6 TxPad http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/5
7 Audiobook reader http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/27
8 Proximus http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/38
9 stockona http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/25
10 ItemNoTe http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/83

MeeGo Coding Competition Network & Communication Category
1 QNetMan http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/28
2 Woodchuck http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/84
3 Tweed Suit http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/29
4 LinkedUp http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/44
5 Panic Button http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/11
6 Acid Rain http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/34
7 qwassr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/30
8 qgvdial http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/53
9 Plurker http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/77

MeeGo Coding Competition Graphics & Multimedia Category
1 cuteTube-QML http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/3
2 FlowPlayer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/56
3 DLNA Player http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/20
4 Photographic lightmeter http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/12
5 QSpot http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/48
6 Mieru http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/31
7 Xbmcremote http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/50

MeeGo Coding Competition Fun & Strange Category
1 PGZ Urban Dictionary http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/65
2 N900 X-Ray http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/22
3 Rockmarble http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/55
4 BashORGquotations http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/64

MeeGo Coding Competition Desktop & Widgets Category
1 Oculo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/14
2 TodoList Widget http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/86
3 Conky Layout Switcher http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/6
4 TcpIpKeyboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/72

MeeGo Coding Competition Games Category
1 Nine Mens Morris Muhle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/51
2 Billiardos http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/82
3 Mong http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/41
4 PGZ Space Invaders http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/10
5 Wordsler http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/54
6 pinball http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/9
7 Fracciones http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/75
8 Inner Spin http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/16
9 Nanoparticles http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/19
10 Balloon Aliens http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/39
11 SchachUhr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/49
12 Tap em http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/40
13 MNonograms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/46
14 Ghosts Overboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/36
15 Demine http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/79
16 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26
17 Tribute http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/8
18 Ball Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/17
19 Swarm Atakk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/85

MeeGo Coding Competition Beginners Category
1 MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24
2 Audiobook reader http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/27
3 TxPad http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/5
4 location2sms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/62
5 stockona http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/25
6 LUCID/iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4
7 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26

I also compared these results to neal's results using "diff -rupN" and both results are reported as equal. Please note that my results are ordered differently than those neal posted as I ordered the downloaded *.blt files according to the election_id as on the voting website. (Prior to doing the diff I reordered the categories in neals output such that the diff is not impacted by the different ordering of categories.)

Edit: It would be nice if someone could confirm this by again "diffing" our different results.

Edit2: The random issue in RTSTV as could be observed by mmlado and me may also be the reason why they switched the election mechanism in the council elections from RTSTV to FTSTV.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

As I can see, also the same what I got for FTSTV.

I think we have the correct results for both methods, FTSTV and RTSTV. The question remains which one to use.

For RTSTV we'le have the problem with Fun & Strange Category. :(

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Well, as RTSTV shows an issue anyhow would it be reasonable to simply use FTSTV? This way we would get two things at once: we would solve the randomness issue and we would have a final decision on which voting system to use.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

I'm all for it. :) The FTSTV, as it gives more constant results.
But zehjotkah has the final word. He has all the data and opinions.

Poor p-uae developer, he was so close...
Maybe we should have discussed this in more private way. Out of the eyes of the developers.
I've surely lost... prize, but got a lot of experience... :) so, I don't count. :)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Alright, below is the result of the election via neal's FTSTV script with the last places being added manually. Essentially, I copied the output from above and added the last places by adding those entries which had not yet been in the ranked output.

Election Id 11
MeeGo Coding Competition Business & Office Category
1 MeePasswords http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/68
2 LUCID iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4
3 ClipMan http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/13
4 MeeToDo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/74
5 Wallet http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/18
6 NewsG http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/76
7 Quick Milk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/78
8 Nepali Calendar http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/2

Election Id 12
MeeGo Coding Competition Location & Navigation Category
1 CloudGPS http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/81
2 modRana http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/80
3 GPS Sport Sniffer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/43
4 Nelisquare http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/73
5 Google Places http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/71
6 location2sms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/62
7 Bikster http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/58
8 FourCircle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/23
9 PGZ Every Trail http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/57
10 QMLCompass http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/59
11 Quando Parte http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/15

Election Id 13
MeeGo Coding Competition System & Utilities Category
1 Filebox http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/66
2 OMWeather http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/47
3 MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24
4 KhtEditor http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/60
5 QtWeather http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/45
6 TxPad http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/5
7 Audiobook reader http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/27
8 Proximus http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/38
9 stockona http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/25
10 ItemNoTe http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/83
11 Vcounter http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/70

Election Id 14
MeeGo Coding Competition Network & Communication Category
1 QNetMan http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/28
2 Woodchuck http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/84
3 Tweed Suit http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/29
4 LinkedUp http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/44
5 Panic Button http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/11
6 Acid Rain http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/34
7 qwassr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/30
8 qgvdial http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/53
9 Plurker http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/77
10 Aerofy http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/42

Election Id 15
MeeGo Coding Competition Graphics & Multimedia Category
1 cuteTube-QML http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/3
2 FlowPlayer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/56
3 DLNA Player http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/20
4 Photographic lightmeter http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/12
5 QSpot http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/48
6 Mieru http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/31
7 Xbmcremote http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/50
8 RadioTouch http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/63

Election Id 16
MeeGo Coding Competition Fun & Strange Category
1 PGZ Urban Dictionary http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/65
2 N900 X-Ray http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/22
3 Rockmarble http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/55
4 BashORGquotations http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/64
5 p-uae http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/69

Election Id 17
MeeGo Coding Competition Desktop & Widgets Category
1 Oculo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/14
2 TodoList Widget http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/86
3 Conky Layout Switcher http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/6
4 TcpIpKeyboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/72
5 Packed Media Widget http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/87

Election Id 18
MeeGo Coding Competition Games Category
1 Nine Mens Morris Muhle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/51
2 Billiardos http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/82
3 Mong http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/41
4 PGZ Space Invaders http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/10
5 Wordsler http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/54
6 pinball http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/9
7 Fracciones http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/75
8 Inner Spin http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/16
9 Nanoparticles http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/19
10 Balloon Aliens http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/39
11 SchachUhr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/49
12 Tap em http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/40
13 MNonograms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/46
14 Ghosts Overboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/36
15 Demine http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/79
16 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26
17 Tribute http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/8
18 Ball Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/17
19 Swarm Atakk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/85
20 Lets MeeGo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/67
20 VSpeed http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/32

Election Id 19
MeeGo Coding Competition Beginners Category
1 MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24
2 Audiobook reader http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/27
3 TxPad http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/5
4 location2sms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/62
5 stockona http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/25
6 LUCID/iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4
7 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26
8 Quando Parte http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/15

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Well, yeah, we certainly learned pretty damn much about elections and OpenSTV in particular. ;)

On one side I do understand that there is probably much disappointment etc. caused by this discussion in the public. On the other side I think it is very important to have an open and transparent way of discussion so that everyone can check the results and the way the decisions had been made her-/himself.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Thanks mmlado, but I would say 4th place is 4th place. The "creator of BashORGquotations" (that's me ;)) won already more than enought at this competition, even if he was unable to get one of those shiny new Nokia N9. :D

In case there is really no decision possible between Rockmarble and p-uae I would say lets push all three applications to a shared, last, 4rd place, skip the 3rd place, and share the bounte fair 1/3 for each project.