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Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by neal (Post 1131141)

Good point. It would be good if mmlado would indicate exactly how he came up with his results (preferably with a script so it is easy to reproduce and debug).

Thanks.

Sorry, no script. But it can be written.
I run:

Code:

openstv-run-election -s 1 FTSTV election.blt

Copy/paste the winner into a file. :)
Edit the blt file and add -x, where x is the place of the app in the file, as the second line, to indicate the candidate has withdrawn.

Like:

Quote:

8 8
-3
1 2 7 4 3 1 6 8 5 0

Run again:

Code:

openstv-run-election -s 1 FTSTV election.blt

Quote:

8 8
-3 -1
1 2 7 4 3 1 6 8 5 0

Repeat until I don't have enough winners.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1131143)

As far as I understand, neal's approach does not remove candidates. Instead the process is as follows:

Run election for one seat. This one will be the winner. (This step is common for neal's and mmlado's approach). In the example MeePasswords gets chosen and is selected as first.
Next: run election for two seats. Now MeePasswords and LUCID iron get elected. MeePasswords was already chosen as first place so LUCID iron is chosen for second place.
Next: run election for three seats. Now MeePasswords, LUCID iron, and ClipMan get elected. MeePasswords and LUCID iron had already been assigned to places 1 and 2 so ClipMan is chosen for place 3.
etc.

mmlado's approach explicitly eliminates candidates for the next voting run by saying already chosen candidates have withdrawn. I don't know the mechanics/mathematics well enough but the different results are most probably caused by the remaining votes being distributed differently among the remaining candidates as compared to neal's approach.

I see. Thank you for the explanation. You're right, the difference is probably in the distribution of votes after a candidate is eliminated. In neal's solution it's distributed the same, while my solution gives it to other apps.
I think neal's solution is better. And vote to use it. :)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

I imagine myself a Live Video stream - Zehjotkah rolling a big dice to chose the election counting system... :(

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmlado (Post 1131148)

I think neal's solution is better. And vote to use it. :)

Aaaah... so finally no other doubts from anyone? :)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 1131159)

Aaaah... so finally no other doubts from anyone? :)

So, do we have a consensus then?

@neal: I think the next step would be that you add the last places for each category as mentioned by zehjotkah? So zehjotkah can take your result list and send it to nemein. To make the job easier for zehjotkah I think it would be a good idea to repost all results in a new post here in this thread. This way zehjotkah does not need to search this thread to find the relevant post.

In the System and Utility category there was some "anomaly" which yielded in only 18 of the 20 candidates being ranked. I propose that the missing candidates are assigned a shared last place in this case. As this is far beyond the 5th place these last entries are not significant anyhow.

Do you all agree with this procedure?

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 1131159)

Aaaah... so finally no other doubts from anyone? :)

I think main difference between the two solutions is that neal's one only transfers surplus votes, while mmlado's transfer all votes from the winner. So I agree neal's one is probably better.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Sometimes I'm able to remember why I started to love this maemo / MeeGo system - because of the community. Yes, we have fanboys, we have trolls and sometimes personal discrepancies, but in the end of a long respectful discussion facts and technical aspects matter. :)

I'm fine with neal's solution although I would like to see my baby ClipMan rather at the 2nd place instead of the 3rd! But that's life! For me it is already the 1st. ;)

Thanks for all working out a good solution for the voting process. And thanks Zehjotkah for this great community project! :)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Thank you everyone!
I couldn't have done this on my own.
neal: if you could post the final results again you would be my personal hero... ;)

Cheers,
zehjotkah

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Here is a proposal on how to solve the "radomness issue" in the Games category: As we already have some apps sharing the last place in this category we could as well decide that all apps from the 13th place on share the last place. This would avoid the confusion that is caused by the randomness.

It's a little exhausting that new problems pop up every time we think that all issues are solved. I hope we can bring this to an ending with which we all can live soon.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Thanks Wonko!

Now I just have to wait for some confirmations and we're ready to go. :) (I can't confirm by myself atm, because I'm at work, stuck on a Windows machine without admin rights...)

Regarding your concerns with place 19 in the Games category: it doesn't matter, because we have prizes only for the first five...

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1131532)

Does this issue only occur with the Games category? In any case, I like your idea of all apps 13 and below sharing the last place.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelago (Post 1131555)

Does this issue only occur with the Games category? In any case, I like your idea of all apps 13 and below sharing the last place.

Yes, this only happens in the Games category.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Fabulous competition and congratulations to all the winners.

To Zehjotkah (and everyone else involved) a massive thank you for organising this.

I'm very happy that Inner-Spin achieved mid table respectability in the games category, and even more happy that at least a few people enjoyed it enough for it to appear high on their ballot papers, I really hope this isn't the last year of the coding competition(?)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Does anyone see any problems or mistakes with the results? Please verify, afterwards you can't moan... ;)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

bump....
I won't submit the results until at least another member confirms them... ;)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1132077)

I won't submit the results until at least another member confirms them... ;)

I'm unable to confirm... but if it helps I just crosschecked the posts #764 and #765 by neal and the post #848 by Wonko.

The results are as far as I'm able to see identical (excepts the games categorie after the 12th place)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1131521)

Below I post the results I calculated using neal's script.
These results have been calculated with neal's script. Additionally, I added the last places manually by comparing which entries are not yet included in the ranked output of neal's script.

Thanks for getting to this, I've been traveling the past two days and didn't have time to rerun and properly format the results.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1130918)

As prizes we have:

1st: Nokia N9
2nd: Nokia N900
3rd: 50% of the money for one category
4th: 30% of the money for one category
5th: 20% of the money for one category

So we need a rating without ties for at least 5 winners.

When was it decided that there would be 5 prizes? On September 9th, you said there would be either 3 or 4.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=620

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmlado (Post 1132131)

I recalculated the results with neal algorithm.
Use command:

Code:

openstv-run-election -s 1 FTSTV ~/election.blt

Then get for two seats, and get the second place, 3 seats... etc.

Here are my results. There are differences in some categories in important places 5-6. Prize or no prize. These I calculated 3 times to be sure.
...

neal's script uses RTSTV instead of FTSTV. Could you check if the differences also show up when you use RTSTV? I assume that the differences are caused by the different *STV variants being used.
With respect to RTSTV vs. FTSTV: if I recall correctly the council election in Q1 2009 used RTSTV while the latter elections used FTSTV.

Edit: I just checked:
The council election in Q1 2009 used RTSTV:
http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=6
The council election in, e.g., Q3 2009 used FTSTV:
http://maemo.org/vote/results.php?election_id=7

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Here is the script I used:

Code:

election=$1



tail -n 1 $election | sed 's/"//g'



>/tmp/result

for i in $(seq $(expr $(head -c 2 $election) - 1))

do

  openstv-run-election -r CsvReport -s $i FTSTV $election \

    | awk -F, '/Elected/ { print $1 }' \

    | while read w

        do if ! grep -q "$w" /tmp/result

          then

            echo $w >> /tmp/result

            break

          fi

        done

done

awk 'BEGIN { i = 1; } { print i, $0; i++; }' /tmp/result | sed 's/"//g'

I ran it as follows:

Code:

for i in *.blt; do sh results $i; done

Here are the results:

Code:

MeeGo Coding Competition Beginners Category

1 MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24

2 Audiobook reader http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/27

3 TxPad http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/5

4 location2sms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/62

5 stockona http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/25

6 LUCID/iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4

7 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26



MeeGo Coding Competition Business & Office Category

1 MeePasswords http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/68

2 LUCID iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4

3 ClipMan http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/13

4 MeeToDo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/74

5 Wallet http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/18

6 NewsG http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/76

7 Quick Milk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/78



MeeGo Coding Competition Desktop & Widgets Category

1 Oculo http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/14

2 TodoList Widget http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/86

3 Conky Layout Switcher http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/6

4 TcpIpKeyboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/72



MeeGo Coding Competition Fun & Strange Category

1 PGZ Urban Dictionary http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/65

2 N900 X-Ray http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/22

3 Rockmarble http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/55

4 BashORGquotations http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/64



MeeGo Coding Competition Games Category

1 Nine Mens Morris Muhle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/51

2 Billiardos http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/82

3 Mong http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/41

4 PGZ Space Invaders http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/10

5 Wordsler http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/54

6 pinball http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/9

7 Fracciones http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/75

8 Inner Spin http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/16

9 Nanoparticles http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/19

10 Balloon Aliens http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/39

11 SchachUhr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/49

12 Tap em http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/40

13 MNonograms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/46

14 Ghosts Overboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/36

15 Demine http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/79

16 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26

17 Tribute http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/8

18 Ball Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/17

19 Swarm Atakk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/85



MeeGo Coding Competition Graphics & Multimedia Category

1 cuteTube-QML http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/3

2 FlowPlayer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/56

3 DLNA Player http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/20

4 Photographic lightmeter http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/12

5 QSpot http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/48

6 Mieru http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/31

7 Xbmcremote http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/50



MeeGo Coding Competition Location & Navigation Category

1 CloudGPS http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/81

2 modRana http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/80

3 GPS Sport Sniffer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/43

4 Nelisquare http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/73

5 Google Places http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/71

6 location2sms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/62

7 Bikster http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/58

8 FourCircle http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/23

9 PGZ Every Trail http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/57

10 QMLCompass http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/59



MeeGo Coding Competition Network & Communication Category

1 QNetMan http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/28

2 Woodchuck http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/84

3 Tweed Suit http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/29

4 LinkedUp http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/44

5 Panic Button http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/11

6 Acid Rain http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/34

7 qwassr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/30

8 qgvdial http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/53

9 Plurker http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/77



MeeGo Coding Competition System & Utilities Category

1 Filebox http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/66

2 OMWeather http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/47

3 MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24

4 KhtEditor http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/60

5 QtWeather http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/45

6 TxPad http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/5

7 Audiobook reader http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/27

8 Proximus http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/38

9 stockona http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/25

10 ItemNoTe http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/83

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by neal (Post 1132136)

Here is the script I used:

Code:

election=$1



tail -n 1 $election | sed 's/"//g'



>/tmp/result

for i in $(seq $(expr $(head -c 2 $election) - 1))

do

  openstv-run-election -r CsvReport -s $i FTSTV $election \

    | awk -F, '/Elected/ { print $1 }' \

    | while read w

        do if ! grep -q "$w" /tmp/result

          then

            echo $w >> /tmp/result

            break

          fi

        done

done

awk 'BEGIN { i = 1; } { print i, $0; i++; }' /tmp/result | sed 's/"//g'

Just to get the confusion sorted out: in this script you use FTSTV.
The version of your script I used uses RTSTV as you posted there: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=764

Edit: As far as I see the results you published had also been calculated using RTSTV?

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

My results vs wonko's http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=848

Code:

--- neal        2011-12-02 15:44:41.000000000 +0100

+++ wonko        2011-12-02 15:45:12.000000000 +0100

@@ -39,16 +39,16 @@

 5 Panic Button http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/11

 6 Acid Rain http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/34

 7 qwassr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/30

-8 qgvdial http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/53

-9 Plurker http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/77

+8 Plurker http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/77

+9 qgvdial http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/53

 

 MeeGo Coding Competition Graphics & Multimedia Category

 1 cuteTube-QML http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/3

 2 FlowPlayer http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/56

 3 DLNA Player http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/20

 4 Photographic lightmeter http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/12

-5 QSpot http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/48

-6 Mieru http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/31

+5 Mieru http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/31

+6 QSpot http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/48

 7 Xbmcremote http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/50

 

 MeeGo Coding Competition Fun & Strange Category

@@ -68,28 +68,26 @@

 2 Billiardos http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/82

 3 Mong http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/41

 4 PGZ Space Invaders http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/10

-5 Wordsler http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/54

-6 pinball http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/9

-7 Fracciones http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/75

-8 Inner Spin http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/16

+5 pinball http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/9

+6 Wordsler http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/54

+7 Inner Spin http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/16

+8 Fracciones http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/75

 9 Nanoparticles http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/19

 10 Balloon Aliens http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/39

 11 SchachUhr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/49

-12 Tap em http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/40

-13 MNonograms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/46

-14 Ghosts Overboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/36

-15 Demine http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/79

-16 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26

-17 Tribute http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/8

-18 Ball Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/17

-19 Swarm Atakk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/85

+12 Ghosts Overboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/36

+13 Tribute http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/8

+14 Demine http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/79

+15 Tap em http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/40

+16 MNonograms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/46

+17 Ball Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/17

+18 Swarm Atakk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/85

 

 MeeGo Coding Competition Beginners Category

 1 MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24

 2 Audiobook reader http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/27

 3 TxPad http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/5

 4 location2sms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/62

-5 stockona http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/25

-6 LUCID/iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4

+5 LUCID/iron http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/4

+6 stockona http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/25

 7 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1132141)

Just to get the confusion sorted out: in this script you use FTSTV.
The version of your script I used uses RTSTV as you posted there: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=764

The initial results that I posted used RTSTV. Later I was told that the council election used FTSTV, which is why I switched.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Differences relative to mmlado http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=859

Code:

$ diff -u neal mmlado

--- neal        2011-12-02 15:44:41.000000000 +0100

+++ mmlado        2011-12-02 15:51:48.000000000 +0100

@@ -49,7 +49,7 @@

 4 Photographic lightmeter http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/12

 5 QSpot http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/48

 6 Mieru http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/31

-7 Xbmcremote http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/50

+7 Photographic lightmeter http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/12

 

 MeeGo Coding Competition Fun & Strange Category

 1 PGZ Urban Dictionary http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/65

@@ -70,8 +70,8 @@

 4 PGZ Space Invaders http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/10

 5 Wordsler http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/54

 6 pinball http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/9

-7 Fracciones http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/75

-8 Inner Spin http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/16

+7 Inner Spin http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/16

+8 Fracciones http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/75

 9 Nanoparticles http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/19

 10 Balloon Aliens http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/39

 11 SchachUhr http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/49

@@ -79,10 +79,9 @@

 13 MNonograms http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/46

 14 Ghosts Overboard http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/36

 15 Demine http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/79

-16 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26

-17 Tribute http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/8

+16 Tribute http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/8

+17 The Math Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/26

 18 Ball Game http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/17

-19 Swarm Atakk http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/85

 

 MeeGo Coding Competition Beginners Category

 1 MIR Translator http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/24

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by neal (Post 1132145)

The initial results that I posted used RTSTV. Later I was told that the council election used FTSTV, which is why I switched.

As I posted here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=860
The council election used both variants.

As said above I used your initial script which uses RTSTV. The results I calculated this way matched the results (except the random issue in the Games category) you published initially. Helmuth also confirmed this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=856

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Nonetheless, we need some ranked result set that zehjotkah can take and publish as the official one. And similarly to the Borda vs. *STV situation we need to get a decision which one to use FTSTV vs. RTSTV.

By the way: in either way (whether FTSTV or RTSTV is used) the last places need to be added manually.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1132152)

Well, no decision would be necessary if we just awarded prizes for the top 3 or 4, which is what zehjotkah indicated in September would be the case.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmlado (Post 1132160)

Here are results with RTSTV calculations:
What is strange is the Fun & Strange Category. 3rd p-uae and 5th Rockmarble changed places, compared to Wonko's results. I've done it by hand with the same results.

That's strange indeed. I just ran the election several times. From 12 runs in 7 runs Rockmarble is third placed and in the other 5 p-uae is third placed.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1132166)

That's strange indeed. I just ran the election several times. From 12 runs in 7 runs Rockmarble is third placed and in the other 5 p-uae is third placed.

I tried this with FTSTV and it seems this random issue does not appear there. Using FTSTV Rockmarble is constantly third placed.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1132166)

That's strange indeed. I just ran the election several times. From 12 runs in 7 runs Rockmarble is third placed and in the other 5 p-uae is third placed.

Yes. I've run it several more times. Those two are changing.
From 20 runs I got: 11 p-uae and 9 Rockmarble.
More strange is how BashORGquotations always stays at 4th place.
I mean if it was a tie, it should move also randomly, right?

Looks like those two are last two, and when one of them is eliminated votes are transferred, and the second is pushed up to 3rd place.

Quote:

Count after eliminating Rockmarble http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/55 and transferring votes. Candidates p-uae http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/69 and Rockmarble http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/55 were tied when choosing candidates to eliminate. Candidate Rockmarble http://competition.meetmeego.org/submissions/55 was chosen by breaking| the tie randomly.

I would say to move BashORGquotations to 3rd place.
In case there are 5 prizes, combine 4th and 5th the prize and split it 50-50 among p-uae and Rockmarble.
In case there are 4 prizes, split the 4th between them.
I'm suggesting this, because they're ties, and when one of them is eliminated it "pushes" the other to third place.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

As I can see, also the same what I got for FTSTV.

I think we have the correct results for both methods, FTSTV and RTSTV. The question remains which one to use.

For RTSTV we'le have the problem with Fun & Strange Category. :(

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmlado (Post 1132186)

Well, as RTSTV shows an issue anyhow would it be reasonable to simply use FTSTV? This way we would get two things at once: we would solve the randomness issue and we would have a final decision on which voting system to use.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

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Originally Posted by Wonko (Post 1132187)

I'm all for it. :) The FTSTV, as it gives more constant results.
But zehjotkah has the final word. He has all the data and opinions.

Poor p-uae developer, he was so close...
Maybe we should have discussed this in more private way. Out of the eyes of the developers.
I've surely lost... prize, but got a lot of experience... :) so, I don't count. :)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

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Originally Posted by mmlado (Post 1132191)

Well, yeah, we certainly learned pretty damn much about elections and OpenSTV in particular. ;)

On one side I do understand that there is probably much disappointment etc. caused by this discussion in the public. On the other side I think it is very important to have an open and transparent way of discussion so that everyone can check the results and the way the decisions had been made her-/himself.

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011

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Originally Posted by mmlado (Post 1132175)

Thanks mmlado, but I would say 4th place is 4th place. The "creator of BashORGquotations" (that's me ;)) won already more than enought at this competition, even if he was unable to get one of those shiny new Nokia N9. :D

In case there is really no decision possible between Rockmarble and p-uae I would say lets push all three applications to a shared, last, 4rd place, skip the 3rd place, and share the bounte fair 1/3 for each project.