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Thanks kojacker! Your post came just in time. :D

I have today a day off and had proudly released last night my third, and perhaps last, submission to this coding competition. Have now to polish my applications the next weekends... I have a big list with Ideas. But not enought time... :(

I will use the day now to install my SDK('s) again. I have currently a very messy system with the Nokia Qt SDK 1.0, a Qt SDK for Desktop applications and now MeeGo SDK 1.2. All with a seperate installed Qt Creator. :mad: I Hope I could get it working again soon the way I would like it. I want to play a bit with my Ideas for the MeeGo Tablet edition... :rolleyes:

By the way, if somebody knows how to get a AnyCom Bluetooth stick working with MeeGo Tablet 1.2 Alpha Preview please let me know! I had a, in my opinion, good Idea for a very useful Tablet Application for my girlfriend. But sadly my Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t has no Bluetooth Module build in... :( So hint's are welcome. Sadly I have at the moment anyway not enought time and no clue how to write apllication to comunicate over bluetooth... but I will try to keep learning! :D

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lol you're welcome! :)

Riiiight it does start getting messy. That's one of the reasons I asked in the last post about how devs targetting both Maemo and MeeGo have their dev machines setup. Mine is a bit of a mess just from installing various versions of the Maemo Qt SDK.

D'oh.. sounds like a driver issue, but can't help I'm afraid. Hopefully somebody will know. Forgot the IdeaPad S10-3t didnt come with Bluetooth, a bit of a strange ommission. It was a strange notebook in many ways, I couldn't get used to the trackpad and especially the right mouse button. When i installed Qt Creator onto it the windows were sized too big for the screen and i couldnt see any buttons at the bottom of dialogs to do anything :p Then it went to notebook heaven, much too soon. Still it was my first taste of MeeGo (1.0 back then) and i was grateful for it :)

Any more clues about your Bluetooth app idea? The Bluetooth dev Ive done with the N900 is to connect a BlueSmirf arduino module, and I read/write directly to a rfcomm socket which is first bound to the module. For application to application, I think Qt Mobility 1.2 has the Bluetooth API and atilla77 uploaded the final to Extras Dev this week - so take a look at that if you haven't already. :)

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Yes, and sorry that I haven't answered your questions. I'm currently still searching myself for a answer and the best way this could work... :confused:
Ideally I would like to install only the Nokia Qt SDK 1.1 (including Maemo and the Desktop targets) and add to this installation only the MeeGo relevant parts...
I wonder why there isn't something like that. I thought I have seen something like that (a plugin) somewhere at meego.com several months ago... :(

Sad to hear that your IdeaPad is broken. :(
I still trying to getting in love with this device. I just ordered 2GB RAM at amazon this Wednesday. (only 21€ - just wow!) But yes, the screen resulution is sometimes a big problem. :(
A slot for a Bluetooth module is there inside the Lenovo. But it's empty... and my Anycom stick was not recognized at the first try. But I already don't know if there are the Bluetooth stack finished at the Tablet edition. So I thought I will try it again as soon as I'm ready to begin with this project.

Hmm... yes, of course. Perhaps I have luck and someone will grab the idea and save me a lot of time. :D

The IdeaPad and all the MeeGo stuff has already totally messed up my schedule regarding the MeeGo Coding Competition. (Thanks again, zehjotkah :p)

I'm thinking about a gimp Plugin to bring the Toolpanel from gimp and several other tools and properties from the desktop to the MeeGo Tablet. So you have your Desktop PC for the Gimp Main Window, your Mouse to work on your Images and a MeeGo Tablet near your Keyboard or near your Monitor to tap and select the tools fast with your finger.

http://www.cpasitesolutions.com/cpa-.../GimpTools.png

It's quite simple using a VNC client to bring the second Desktopmonitor to the touchscreen from the Lenovo IdeaPad (okay, currently only at Windows7 ;)) but this is anyway not a ideal solution. It's very slow and all buttons and sliders are not really touchscreenfriendly. I'm thinking about a adapted and fingerfriendly, fast UI created using Qt and send the commands and selections over Bluetooth to the Host Plugin at Gimp. :rolleyes:
In my opinion this could really improve the workflow and how to work with gimp...

A bluetooth dashboard for gimp.

But currently only a Idea. One of severals...

I had burned my fingers using Qt Mobility within PyQt last year. I failed at a early stage. Perhaps I should take a deep breath and give it a second try as soon as my thoughts are settled... :)

I'm currently anyway with other stuff very busy. Currently with repartitioning the IdeaPad... the next total mess. ;)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Hi everyone,

sorry in advance for potential delays in MeeGo Coding Competition Updates..
I'm currently in San Francisco at the MeeGo Conference and there is not always WiFi. The one from the Hotel is not even free^^

Best regards.

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Hmm... perhaps everyone is currently watching to San Francisco if not already there...

Small update from me, kojacker. I had not that much time last weekend as I have expected. And because my Desktop is not as fast as my new, small Lenovo IdeaPad (yes, thats really sad), I got after several hours of waiting a more worse system as before. I'm currently only able to target Desktop, Maemo and the Simulator. Not MeeGo and the Debugger is not working at not a target. I'm only able to build the releases. I guess I have broken something while deinstalling, reinstalling. Perhaps I have overwritten somewhere something or he keept a old setting.

It needs several hours to reinstall all that stuff on my old desktop. So, if someone would like to help me (and kojacker) a little bit, please point me to a good step by step manual to put the MeeGo SDK on a system together with the Maemo and Desktop Targets (Windows and Linux) - no need for Symbian if it matters. ;)

And a way to get the Qt Creater / Qt Designer only once on my system would be great!

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kojacker proposed that I should talk with Bob Duffy about the problems you have with the SDK, but I fail to see exactly how he can help.
There is the problem, that there are three different SDKs, right? Nokia, Intel and meego.com. Do you mean that?

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Thanks for checking out my tweet :) Well im not exactly sure if Bob Duffy is the right man (apologies if he's the wrong person) but I mention 'and others' too :p He seems to be involved a lot with the App Labs, so I assume he has come across similar situations with developers from before. I think helex has explained quite well the same problems I was complaining about from the Meego Conf last year :p b0unc3 has also mentioned some issues with Qt Creator and rpms. Really it can be a pain in the butt to have a nice clean install of the Qt tools that will target Maemo, MeeGo, and other platforms like desktop.

Now I understand that Bob and his team are mainly dealing with developers who have just received a MeeGo device and a fresh install of the tools. But think about the old guys. The problem sometimes come when you try to install new components over old ones. Surely somebody has thought about a guide or a process that Maemo developers can follow so their machine is set up correctly, cleanly, and efficiently to target both Maemo and MeeGo devices? Ive had a quick look on the MeeGo developer subsite and cant find such a guide, but Im sure one of the guys at the App labs can point you to the right place.

It may be that the process is so simple that nobody has thought it necessary, but it would still be nice to have it. As you can see, there is some need :) A guide in simple steps for the current Maemo developer to integrate MeeGo target components painlessly into his current development machine setup. What Im asking if you can do for us, as you'll be in the App labs and hack space, is to take a few minutes to chat to the MeeGo SDK and Maemo developers you see there and ask how they set their development machines up.

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If I am writing a hangman helper (it helps you solve hangman puzzles), what category would it go under? System & Utilities, or Games?

Also, what exactly constitutes a beginner? This is my second real program for a mobile device that I have written, and I am definitely still learning how to do stuff. Should I submit it to the beginner category?

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Beginner: everyone developing for maemo or MeeGo the first time. No matter how many apps developed for other platforms before.

kojacker: thanks for clarification. Will talk with him.

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Kojacker has said already everything. I would like to only add: Qt SDK 1.1 and 1.1.1 was a big win. Desktop and mobile targets together with Qt Creator in a single package.

I would love to see a small installer that adds only the MeeGo stuff and the targets to a fresh Qt SDK 1.1.1 installation without messing with the installation and putting a second Qt Creator / Designer installation on my Disk. Or the MeeGo SDK 1.2 should include the maemo stuff.

It feels very messy the current way. And because they hope the current maemo community will help to build up their new platform they should also include a as easy as possible way to migrate from the past to the future.

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Developers can also enter their applications into The Qt WeTab App Challenge if their application works on MeeGo and not just Maemo.

Good luck. :)

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"d) Entries must be written with the Qt Open Source Edition licensed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2."
Well that sucks, if i understand properly (Do i?). I use Qt via LCL(Lazarus/FPC) and am not eligible...
Instead of trying to pull as many developers as they can and push the overall development of MeeGo, they put those kind of rules.. What difference does it make if its Pascal + Qt or Cpp + Qt, i really don't know..

TRX.

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Hey zehjotkah, just wondering if there was any update on this?

It's been a week since I replied to Bob Duffy's request for more details on our questions but there hasn't been any response back as yet. If it was straight forward Im assuming there'd be a quicker response, but I'm getting the feeling now that no response will be coming. Where you able to find some time to speak with any developers at the conference on our behalf?

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Yes, just forgot to post it here.
There will be a new version of the (Intel) MeeGo SDK pretty soon which will support some sort of plugins.
Also it will let you decide to install (or not) the Intel tools (like VTune) right during the setup.

edit: no word on making it easier for maemo Qt devs to updating their SDK. I think a reinstall might be the solution.

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Okay, I hope pretty soon is within the next few weeks. ;)
Hopefully with some improvements regarding the installation and existings SDKs (maemo)...

Yes, reinstall is nice. But who will maintain and compile my current maemo projects? How to add a maemo target at the MeeGo SDK?

The problem is to get both on the same system working without messing the previous installation. I tried it several times. But it ended each time with a not working target. (once maemo, twice MeeGo) - and because a installation takes several hours on my old Desktop I gave up for the moment. :(
And it seems Google is not my friend. Perhaps because the most seems to use Linux or Windows 7 instead of a old Windows XP... I don't know. :rolleyes:

Will use my rare sparetime now to work on my maemo projects until the MeeGo SDK works with maemo together out of the box. Perhaps it's still to early and to unstable...

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Ah, and don't get me wrong. I was able to get the MeeGo SDK 1.2 running without problems. But not together with the maemo SDK at my Desktop PC.

I installed the MeeGo SDK 1.2 on my Windows 7 Lenovo IdeaPad without any kind of problem. I'm able to copy the file to a Fat32 partition, reboot the IdeaPad, copy the File using the Terminal at MeeGo (Tablet) to the btrfs file system, make it executable and run the application.

So, it works. But it's a pain! :mad:

And because this is a Coding Competition that targets MeeGo and maemo a easy step by step solution as askey by Kojacker would be really nice for all developers. ;)
But it seems currently only Kojacker and I have this problem? :confused:

Mh, by the way:
Why was this thread moved over to "MeeGo / Harmattan" without any kind of announcement? I needed now some time to find it again. It was previously at the Community section and the old Coding Competition is in the Development section still sticky... ... ... ... ... ... I'm over 30! Don't play games with me. :D

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I wasn't informed about that either.
Hey mods! Why it was moved? That's not nice!

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fyi, the thread was moved back.
Thanks goes to sjgadsby

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Donation update!
Each 5€ (in total 15€) by
toucan murphy
casper27
reinob

more explanation here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=13 and here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...0&postcount=16

Thanks a lot!

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i dont think there are many Maemo devs actively developing for MeeGo on here, would you agree? It might be just me, but everyday that passes without a handset or hardware to target makes my interest continue to fade. Its a pain setting up for both platforms, i dont want to mess around with my machine, and theres nothing to test it on anyway - so why bother,right? I dont see that MeeGo has any interest in us either. For example the reply to our concern is not helpful. When you see how stale application development is for MeeGo you'd think they'd spend more attention on our community of Maemo/N900 developers. So many have moved on to competitors already, time will tell if they can win them back..

By the way, does X-Ray have any competition in the Fun and Strange categity yet? :-)

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

Qt community sponsorship program is contributing 10 N900 devices for this competition:

http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/25/...ship-may-2011/

:)

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EDIT: Oh, and sorry for my long post. :o Sometimes there is something inside me that wants to get out... :D

After studied the submission site, there are currently targeting those platforms:

• MeeGo ARM: 19
• MeeGo x86: 2
• both: 5

I hope I counted correctly. More submissions will come in the next weeks. There are still several participants at the wikipage listed without a valid submission. But still, if we say MeeGo ARM is currently only maemo and the other targets MeeGo Handset or Tablet we have a ratio: 1:2,7

So you're propably right.

But I would still say thats not that bad for a platform without a released Device for every day usage. (and in my opinion Tablets don't count - I have my Mobile every day with me)

But I don't know where are the MeeGo x86 developers from. :)

If we compare only the activity at this threat and the corresponding thread at MeeGo I would say we should remove the word MeeGo from the headline because no one is interested in MeeGo. ;) But this conclusions are surely wrong. The potential developers saw it, saw the discussion over here and maemo won. The interesting stuff simply happens over here.

But the meego forum is anyway very unfrequented. Perhaps because of the (for me) very confusing mailing list. (I anyway don't like discussions that happens in different places and google dont work very well if some information is only at the mailing list)

Hmm... if we look how the discussion at this thread fell asleep you're probably right. :(
I'm able to remember the coding competition last year and how I was unable to follow the complete discussion... at this time maemo/MeeGo had a more brighter future.

Let's hope things will change as soon as LG and Samsung will show how wrong Elop was. But in Intels position I would try to attract as much as possible potential developers.

Currently it feels like you and I are the only contributors... :confused: ...or the only ones with some problems. :D

Yes, this situation is very sad and frustrating... :(

Perhaps you have to setup the SDK simply at a different machine. It works fine on my Lenovo IdeaPad. Sadly it's also my MeeGo testing machine, too. So testing and debugging is no fun because I have constantly to reboot. :(

I tried this week to port my ClipMan project to the MeeGo Tablet. I thought it would be the easies and most useful application of mine.
My code works fine at the simulator. But sadly not at the MeeGo Tablet. I created the UI using the normal Qt Widgets (have so far no clue how QtQuick really works) and sadly my application looks like a Windows 3.1 application at MeeGo. So perhaps I must wait until Qt gets fixed or I have to learn Java and QtQuick before. :(
And this damn bad and awful, android or Symbian like designed "task manager" at MeeGo tablet makes the situation even worse! :mad:
If I run my app at the terminal to see some debugging output and switch the task to copy something to the clipboard I'm only able to get back to the terminal. I see no chance to get back to the UI part of my application. :mad: :mad: :mad: (last night I was close by throwing the damn thing out of the window) :rolleyes:
And there is no close button at my app, too. I'm only able to close a application using this strange "task manager".
Very frustrating. :( And very confusing. At MeeGo Handset I have a close button at each application. At MeeGo Tablet is no task switcher button and no close button at the application level despite there is even more space at the screen.
In my opinion they should create a consistent user expirience across all platforms.

I thought I could contribute by porting my small application to the MeeGo part of this competiton. Zehjotkah has somewhere in this thread said there will be special prizes only for MeeGo submissions. But I guess my skills are still to weak for this. :(
And I don't wan't to spent all my spare time over the next weeks only to get a additional prize. Perhaps I wasted already to much time... and I don't want to turn my hobby into work. ;)

I subscribed now to the Intel AppUp Application Lab in Munich, Germany.
I dont have a good experience with such training sessions at work but perhaps this is this time not that bad to get myself a overview. I really hope it's worth driving about 6 hours across germany.
I'm still not sure... but perhaps I'll see. I hope I'm able to get a day-off. :)

Sadly this Intel AppUp Application Lab is AFTER the coding competition. Sigh!
So it will surely not help me at the competition... but hopefully for 2012. ;)

Not yet. Have a look.
Why are you asking? Are you willing to try to port your fart app over to MeeGo? ;)

Deep down inside me I hope myself to don't have much competition in the category. After so much criticism from the not that clever part of talk.maemo.org I'm in doubt I had a chance towards other submissions with my small learning project. ;)

I'm currently thinking about the camera application from last year that used the focus length to measure the size of a object. It was not very stable, it worked not very well but it was very cool. And I already read at this thread some very cool Idea. Hopefully nobody gets something like that ready within the next 4 weeks! :p

In the end we're all here to win! :D

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Yes, that's true!!
Have already decided how to 'split' these devices ?

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8 categories + beginners section. So we have 9 votings and 10 devices....

It's easy: 1,11111111 Devices per category! :D

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Or perhaps we have now a reason for my suggestion I made 2 times in this thread:

Read here for more: Link

But I still don't know if this independent voting will be technically possible. :confused:

Edit: "...or even worth the effort" ;)

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How about a special student edition contest for the remaining device, to be run till September? A student dev would probably be a much better recipient than someone who has already won one.

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As we expect the Nokia-Harmattan device to be announced in June, do you want us the extent the MeeGo Coding Competition one month? It would then end on 31 July.
During this month there is enough time to get a device (be it dev-device or consumer-device) and to port/develop your app.
Of course this would only make sense *if* the device will be announced (not necessarily hit the stores, because we have ways to get it earlier) which we fully expect.
What do you think?

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My vote goes for extending timeline.

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Hi zehjotkah,

When you say "get a device", is it a Nokia-Harmattan device ? Even the consumer-device would be available to developers before hitting the stores ?

How a developer could "get a device" before the end of the MeeGo Coding Competition ?

I agree to extending the deadline to July 31.

By the way, I am developing "Integral", a user friendly interface in PyQt to calculate integrals (1D, 2D, 3D, undefined, defined and numerical, with different outputs, etc) using Python & Sympy. I will list "Integral" in the MeeGo Coding Competition webpage.

Best regards,

Roberto

Re: MeeGo Coding Competition 2011
 

yes, I meant a Harmattan Device.
If this will be the dev-device or the consumer-device: I don't know yet.

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An Harmattan Device? AFAIK things like this should be out around november (more or less), so an extending of the competition period wouldn't matter (I see no problems here).

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My suggestion for an extra student competition was for the extra device left from the 10 n900s given by Qt, as pointed out by Helmuth below. But if you want to extend it anyway that would also be good for all the students like lzzehO.

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donation update:
€20,00 EUR by mece

Take a look at all donations and PayPal-fees here:
http://wiki.maemo.org/MeeGo_Coding_C...ity_Prize_Fund

edit: @b0unc3
will we get the N900s during the competition, or afterwards?

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At the end of the competition, I need to send a list of the winners (of the device's winner ;)).

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I'm all for a time extension. As it stands, exams end 29 June for me, doesn't give me a huge period of time.

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I agree. I finish college on Monday but still have numerous projects that take my time. A time extension could enable me to probably complete a Subsonic client within the time allocated.

I'll be releasing it eventually, it'd just be nice to enter it into the competition as my N900 is on its way out and could do with a new one.

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Well, why not, lets extend. :)

Also on a related note, I'll be entering the competition with my apps really soon. :)

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I haven't had that much time the last weeks... so I'm fine with the Idea to extend. :)

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So I have finally done it - I have submitted Mieru, a flexible manga and comic book reader, to the competition. :)
competition entry nr. 31
TMO thread

My plan is also to submit some (quite substantial) planed modRana improvements to the competition, in the coming days. :)

BTW, should I also update the wiki ?

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I'm also for extending the competition date. Will have more time next month. :)