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earthworm 2011-03-29 08:13
Actually Using Maemo?
 
Is this project still alive after all the goings on at Nokia?

I just wondered if it is possible to just buy a year or two old iPhone or HTC phone or something and put Maemo on it?

Also, does this still exist as a Gnomish project or did the Meego project mean its all Qt and the like now?

Just interested to know if I can install this over an iPhone as I would Fedora over my Macbook Pro :)

jedi 2011-03-29 08:22
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by earthworm (Post 977566)
Is this project still alive after all the goings on at Nokia?

I just wondered if it is possible to just buy a year or two old iPhone or HTC phone or something and put Maemo on it?

Also, does this still exist as a Gnomish project or did the Meego project mean its all Qt and the like now?

Just interested to know if I can install this over an iPhone as I would Fedora over my Macbook Pro :)
It's not possible to run Maemo on a iAnything, nor and HTC.

earthworm 2011-03-29 08:27
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Are there any handsets it can be installed on or does it only work on that N900?

Since Nokia won't be supporting it any more? What handset's does the OS have a future on?

jedi 2011-03-29 08:32
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Click on the "Intro" tab at the top of this page, then browse the links on the right hand side (Evolution of Maemo, etc).

It's very unlikely you'll see Maemo on any new devices.

abill_uk 2011-03-29 08:38
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by earthworm (Post 977574)
Are there any handsets it can be installed on or does it only work on that N900?

Since Nokia won't be supporting it any more? What handset's does the OS have a future on?
The Maemo OS on the N900 can only ever be used on the N900 and will never work on any other device simply because Nokia designed the Maemo os specificaly with specific hardware adaptation the N900 has.

Even the CSSU is struggling because of closed components getting the OS to work in a better more acceptable way for this community so the chances of you programming the Maemo os to another device and expect it to work? ZERO absolute.

earthworm 2011-03-29 08:41
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Okay, so its just being supported for a while for N900 and then will go the way of the Dodo?

jedi 2011-03-29 08:51
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 977579)
The Maemo OS on the N900 can only ever be used on the N900 and will never work on any other device simply because Nokia designed the Maemo os specificaly with specific hardware adaptation the N900 has.
Maemo is also the default O/S on the N770, N800 and N810.

Quote:
Originally Posted by earthworm (Post 977580)
Okay, so its just being supported for a while for N900 and then will go the way of the Dodo?
It's not really being officially supported by Nokia any more. But loads of great support from the community here. I'm not planning to stop using it anytime soon...

abill_uk 2011-03-29 08:59
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedi (Post 977588)
Maemo is also the default O/S on the N770, N800 and N810.

It's not really being officially supported by Nokia any more. But loads of great support from the community here. I'm not planning to stop using it anytime soon...
Yes but the N900 Maemo will not work on any other device but the N900 was my point and same for the N770,N800 and N810.

I wonder though if this community can get its teamwork together, the amount of work being done is somewhat collosal given they are working with no support at all from Nokia, maybe in the future it could pave the way for adaption to any device.... food for thought i guess.

earthworm 2011-03-29 09:02
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 977596)
I wonder though if this community can get its teamwork together, the amount of work being done is somewhat collosal given they are working with no support at all from Nokia, maybe in the future it could pave the way for adaption to any device.... food for thought i guess.
I suppose that's what I was getting at, might it have a future as a community project, akin to a "Gnome Mobile".

I know there was a Gnome Mobile effort at one point, but afaik it's dead or as good as.

Seems a shame that there was this, and OpenHand and lots of other stuff happening, and then suddenly it's all dead and goes to waste.

abill_uk 2011-03-29 09:19
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by earthworm (Post 977600)
I suppose that's what I was getting at, might it have a future as a community project, akin to a "Gnome Mobile".

I know there was a Gnome Mobile effort at one point, but afaik it's dead or as good as.

Seems a shame that there was this, and OpenHand and lots of other stuff happening, and then suddenly it's all dead and goes to waste.
What i am afraid of is a newer more capable to programme for device comes out from Nokia that does not involve Maemo, that would put the cat among the pidgeons so let's hope this community can prise the closed components out of Nokia and do something QUICK ha.

droitwichgas 2011-03-29 09:25
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
We will soon have meego/maemo 6 available on the N900 and with the latest developements re meego UI it could well become the default os rather than just the a developers/power users (is that most of us anyway?) os, should meamo 5 ever starts to become too dated an os. That is assuming there are still sufficent users of the N900 around at that time.

abill_uk 2011-03-29 09:31
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 977612)
We will soon have meego/maemo 6 available on the N900 and with the latest developements re meego UI it could well become the default os rather than just the a developers/power users (is that most of us anyway?) os, should meamo 5 ever starts to become too dated an os. That is assuming there are still sufficent users of the N900 around at that time.
Very alarming post and one i very wish to see come true !!!!.

You can count me in on one of them N900 users i can assure you, i will have at least one of the devices for many many years to come.

ivgalvez 2011-03-29 09:32
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
The Maemo UX (so called Hildon) is continued as Cordia. You can take a look at this,

The aim is to be able to run Hildon with no modified GTK on any architecture (x86 and ARM) running Meego Core.

Hildon is also available for Debian ARM packages.

earthworm 2011-03-29 10:11
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
It's fair to say the situation is complicated then!

MINKIN2 2011-03-29 10:28
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Could maemo run on the pre phones? I thought they used the same hardware?

abill_uk 2011-03-29 10:59
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 977645)
Could maemo run on the pre phones? I thought they used the same hardware?
pre-phones?????

There is not one mobile devices even resembles the N900 in any way or form hardware wise.

abill_uk 2011-03-29 11:02
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ivgalvez (Post 977615)
The Maemo UX (so called Hildon) is continued as Cordia. You can take a look at this,

The aim is to be able to run Hildon with no modified GTK on any architecture (x86 and ARM) running Meego Core.

Hildon is also available for Debian ARM packages.
Looks intersting but without full data on the N900 hardware nothing OS wise will run as it should do as people have learned to expect from Nokia mobiles.

jedi 2011-03-29 11:03
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 977664)
pre-phones?????

There is not one mobile devices even resembles the N900 in any way or form hardware wise.
Palm Pre.

Actually they are similar to the N900 which is the reason why Preenv exists.

From the Preenv thread:
Quote:
  • The Palm Pre has a OMAP3430
  • The Palm Pre has a PowerVR SGX and OpenGL ES 2.0 libs
  • The Palm Pre is running GNU/Linux
  • The official way to code native apps in the Palm Pre is using SDL 1.2, which has a standard interface and Palm has released their modifications in compliance to the LGPL.
  • Did I say it's getting (some) commercial games?
  • The N900 has a OMAP3430
  • The N900 has a PowerVR SGX and OpenGL ES 2.0 libs
  • The N900 is running GNU/Linux
  • The N900 has SDL 1.2

retsaw 2011-03-29 11:05
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droitwichgas (Post 977612)
We will soon have meego/maemo 6 available on the N900 and with the latest developements re meego UI it could well become the default os rather than just the a developers/power users (is that most of us anyway?) os, should meamo 5 ever starts to become too dated an os. That is assuming there are still sufficent users of the N900 around at that time.
When did Nokia say we'll get Maemo 6 on the N900? They are promising a day-to-day usable version of Meego to be used by developers, but I haven't seen mention of Maemo 6 (maybe I missed it).

Maemo 6 may be what the N950 is shipped with, though they have made it API compatible with Meego, and may actually call it Meego.

abill_uk 2011-03-29 11:09
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedi (Post 977668)
Palm Pre.

Actually they are similar to the N900 which is the reason why Preenv exists.

From the Preenv thread:
Do you actually know what i meant when i said HARDWARE wise?.

Take a look at both mobiles they are totally different board layout although they share some components.

Captwheeto 2011-03-29 11:16
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 977672)
Do you actually know what i meant when i said HARDWARE wise?.

Take a look at both mobiles they are totally different board layout although they share some components.
You're being pedantic to people who know less ;)

jedi 2011-03-29 11:21
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 977672)
Do you actually know what i meant when i said HARDWARE wise?.

Take a look at both mobiles they are totally different board layout although they share some components.
Yes I do know what you mean when you said hardware wise, but I'm disagreeing with you for the similarities already pointed out. Why would the layout of the board make any difference? It's all about the components.

jedi 2011-03-29 11:29
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MINKIN2 (Post 977645)
Could maemo run on the pre phones? I thought they used the same hardware?
By the way, the simple answer is "No". Sorry for going off-topic.

abill_uk 2011-03-29 11:35
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jedi (Post 977680)
Yes I do know what you mean when you said hardware wise, but I'm disagreeing with you for the similarities already pointed out. Why would the layout of the board make any difference? It's all about the components.
Oh Jedi you do suprise me, do you actually know anything about programming and components your addressing?.

Would you use the same roadmap for London that you would for Manchester?.

It would be a dream come true if all mobiles could use the same OS lol.

jedi 2011-03-29 11:48
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 977689)
Oh Jedi you do suprise me, do you actually know anything about programming and components your addressing?.
Yes I do, thanks. With the context of this thread I stand by my statement that the Palm Pre and N900 are similar in respect hardware.

Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 977689)
Would you use the same roadmap for London that you would for Manchester?.
What are you on about?

Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 977689)
It would be a dream come true if all mobiles could use the same OS lol.
I don't agree.

That's all from me - I can't be bothered to get drawn any further into this daft argument with the Abill troll.

abill_uk 2011-03-29 11:59
Re: Actually Using Maemo?
 
Jedi stop trying to be clever when your really just confusing everyone here.

PREENV is an emulator to allow pre games and webOS games to run on the N900 and your trying to twist what i am saying then taking a dive out.

Hardware wise from any pespective the pre and 900 are black and white, totally and utterly different not even similar.

If they were even similar you contradicted your own answer....

"Originally Posted by MINKIN2 View Post

Could maemo run on the pre phones? I thought they used the same hardware?

By the way, the simple answer is "No". Sorry for going off-topic.

So what is this Jedi huh YOU being a prick????.


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