Samsung overtakes Nokia in Western Europe
 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7442BP20110505

"Samsung 29%, Nokia 28%, Apple 10%, RIM and HTC 8%

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With all of the hoopla around the Galaxy S series of smartphones, it's easy to miss the fact that Samsung is a major player in the featurephone category of devices. Smartphones seem as the 'sports car' of the phone world, elevating the status of lesser devices that share the same brand. Nokia's butchering of their smartphone brand will certainly affect more areas than simply their smartphone sales.

I suspect that companies will continue to capitalize on Nokia's losses. Nokia has to go back to basics, and with 7,000 jobs being cut in the next 2 years, I suspect that upper management sees the same path forward.

I predict that they will likely end up being bought by Microsoft when they've lost enough blood.

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funny thing being weak nokia still will be 1% phone manufacturer
bad for em they will never rule smartphone one ever again.

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This is what i have been saying for 2 years already!!!!! :mad:

The most immediate thing is the fact smartphones are taking over the market. Basic phones will of course stay but smartphones are over half of even Nokia's all phones sold already.

The second thing that you are touching there is that phones like Galaxy S, HTC Desire, N95 are so much more than just huge revenue makers. Those products elevate your brand helping the mid, bottom end, gather mind share, bring developers etc. These product themselves are their own ecosystem.

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I find it interesting that you include the N95 in this list. I had the use of one for a few weeks and I thought it was a big pile of pooh.

Elevate the brand to a big pile of pooh maybe? Or am I just stressing the point that has already been made by Capt'n Corrupt when he says "Nokia's butchering of their smartphone brand"?

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Nokia is now a dying company especially since the bonding with Microsoft, i hope they die alltogether !.

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well it was the year Nokia had it's record profits and N95 sold 16 million at the time when smartphones where still nothing. It was huge deal that at the time and the most advanced phone by the number one brand. Same like the GS that has sold 14 million in 2010 and in a overnight made smartphone nobody to the most followed and number one brand from Android side


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Not really sure what you are trying to say here. Nokia is indeed butchering it's brand at the moment and haven't had that brand changing phone to gather slice of the mind share like GS for 4 years. Just like i was ranting there.
Missing a phone from that gategory means much more than just lost profits to the whole lineup and brand.

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nokia just needed to release a n8 with meego.

bang, huge sales =.=

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They're already getting huge sales with the S3 N8 (and despite it's cripppled camera and memory capacity, the E7)

I wouldn't be too surprised if the Harmattan device (N950, N9 whatever you want to call it) will be more like the original pics released/leaked.

too little, too late. With the end of Symbian and the shelving of Meego, even as a developer platform, it won't see mainstream success and that's where Nokia need it.

I expect the slide to continue for Nokia and as the general consumer looks for more out of their phones, the likes of Samsung, riding the android wave, can focus on features, rather than UI.

It's interesting that many of the Hardware vendors are pulling back on the UI customisation, sticking to a more "vanilla" flavour of Android. Light skinning on top of the OS allows for less investment on their part as well as keeping up with consumer demands for frequent updates.
2011 has seen Samsung, Motorola and SE all cut back on their heavy UI customisation.

I've seriously considered the Galaxy S II as my next phone upgrade, despite having little love for android, having owned a Desire now for nearly 12 months.

the only thing holding me back is the lack of hardware kb and the alternative (Epic 4g) won't be available in Au by the looks of it.

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samsung s2 looks very promising except the fact it rruns shitty android I just hate java/dalvik crap. If samsung where smart theey released a similar handset with Meego for the linux geeks.

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@tissot
Thanks, that is what I was trying to say.

When I had the N95, I kept looking at it thinking "Is this really the best that Nokia can do?"

I think this might flesh out what is being said as regards Shipments and Market Share
http://gigaom.com/apple/apple-moves-...-market-grows/
Samsung change 2010 to 2011 350%

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Maybe you have to be a geek to love the N900, but you shouldn't have to do surface mount solder repairs on a $600 phone.
Maybe I am one of the few who want my mobile phone to be a micro-netbook first, phone second, and camera third.
Maybe there will be some Chinese companies picking up where Nokia dropped off and will stuff a pile of modern hardware features into a Meego or other Debian based OS phone and the community can make it great, like happened with the N900 or Sharp Zaurus but absolutely didn't happen with the OpenMoko because they invested no effort to make a phone that was useful out of the box.
The consensus among those who care is that Nokia will sooner or later be finished by choosing the historic worst of all mobile OS's and will probably end up making Zune phones as a MSFT owned corporation before being retired or sold as a brand. The same thing happened when Erickson was bought out and neutralized by Sony.

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I wonder if you got anything what i and corrupt was saying there. N95 got nothing to do with the point we where trying to make there.

N95 was just example of phone that was it's own planet inside a company that elevated brand to it's highest at the time. Like what GS was doing to Samsung. Point was not if i or you like iphone, GS or N95 etc.

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Yes that's ok i got that, it is just that I am not at all articulating the point I am trying to make, something along the lines of Nokia's internal self delusion reflected by its flagship products.

As I say, I am not functioning clearly on this so I need to keep quiet and go back to the sidelines.:confused:

I appreciate your non-flaming response though.

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I know, I should just go along with fun bashing like this, but I'm quite sure that there is no phone on which you 'have to do' solder repairs.

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Nokia, its not too late, revive the already popular OS brand called Maemo and complete the features that are still half cooked and take the market away.

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oh yes it is too late. you can bet your bottom dollar that the MS deal will have nokia locked into using WP as their sole smartphone OS exclusively. Meego for Nokia will be an R&D product for other mobile platforms for sure.

this is what happens when you decide to prostitute yourself to the likes of MS. They're the ones handing over the cash so they get to go on top when they're f*#king you......

the other hardware manufacturers would be rubbing their hands in glee at the news.