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zlatokosi 2011-06-21 13:44

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034720)
please find a phone more expensive than this..

http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4...rlrefer=search

i dare you

Don't buy your electronics in the UK, plain and simple (this coming from a European with an american N900). Especially with the rate of the Pound the last few years.

It's $640 unlocked direct from Apple in the US.

Hell, for the price difference you can take a trip to New York and still spend less.

Verythrax 2011-06-21 13:49

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034722)
I agree.

Check availability for the US at:
http://europe.nokia.com/find-product...k-availability

??? Maybe waiting for WP7?

I just don't get it. Unless it won't be offered in the States, then I actually sort of get it (but hate Nokia for trying to rip off non-US customers in that way).

It doens't have Brazil listed as well :P

But Maybe it's just a matter of time. N900 wasnt available here at launch, but it was released here, eventually.

And about radio frequencies, I don't think it would be an issue, it's not like we need 1.3 to be released officially to have it fixed. The packages can always be done before it, specially considering that Nokia have Maemo code for that, that can be ported, in time for september, and a product worthy of that investiment. I think US is not not listed just because they don't want to assume any compromises with that. I bet we will see an US announcement in some time.

aironeous 2011-06-21 13:49

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For close to the same price I can get the Maestro C from Evolve III
http://www.evolvethree.com.au/produc...nvertible.html
With a keyboard
With hdmi out
With SD card slot
With removable battery
with two other operating systems that both have flash 10 on them.

gerbick 2011-06-21 13:51

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Verythrax (Post 1034737)
It doens't have Brazil listed as well

Nor the United Kingdom.

zonk0r 2011-06-21 13:51

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034733)
Don't buy your electronics in the UK, plain and simple (this coming from a European with an american N900). Especially with the rate of the Pound the last few years.

It's $640 unlocked direct from Apple in the US.

Hell, for the price difference you can take a trip to New York and still spend less.

:) i know the UK market is absurd, but I live here and would rather spend my money in the UK than the US. Although a massive chunk of the money i spend on these products will go abroad, at least some stays in the UK.

Based on UK prices therefore - I can't see this phone costing £700, even for the 64GB version.

Am I right in thinking this OMAP version is the one that the Sammy Hummingbird CPU was based on? I would not be suprised - especially given nokia are sammy's biggest chip customer.

The memory modules will be the thing that'll push the price up, mainly because 70% (ballpark figure) of all of these modules were produced by Toshiba, who had to close their two main plants down in Japan because of the Tsunami.

With the price of AMOLED screens about the plummet with that HUGGGEEEE fab plant coming online in the next month or two as well, I can't see any reason for the price of this phone to be high - apart from the memory, and maybe ramp it up because of development costs - but I can't see them punishing the customer with that on a first-release device anyways?

The Wizard of Huz 2011-06-21 13:51

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So basically the N950 is in all ways better device than N9. There is nothing that the N9 does that the N950 can not do better!

And that is the flagship device. :-(

zehjotkah 2011-06-21 13:51

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
We need *your* voice! http://twitition.com/3c3ah

gerbick 2011-06-21 13:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034727)
If you check the MeeGo Roadmap, you will notice that North American radio standards are not supported until MeeGo release 1.3 in October - so in short, No. This device is not intended for the American Market.

Source for this? Not that I doubt you; just this is the first time I've honestly heard this.

daperl 2011-06-21 13:54

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1034723)
Is there any chance of N950s being distributed to winners of the Meego Coding Competition?

Dude, who is more deserving or in need of an n950 than you?

Apply. Today.

Daneel 2011-06-21 13:54

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Make one for the N950 while you are at it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1034744)
We need *your* voice! http://twitition.com/3c3ah


biatch0 2011-06-21 13:56

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
The things that I really loved in the N900 like flash support, FM transmitter, swappable batteries, are all gone. Improvements from the N900? CPU - debatable since we don't know what the N9/N950 will clock to vs the N900 typically running stable at 1.1GHz. Voice navigation - this was promised to N900 users way back from what I can remember, but it never materialized.

Sure, there's other nifty things like NFC that are on the N9, but as far as I'm concerned they're all nifty little things that are nice to have but I'd be perfectly fine living without.

Based on the information available so far on the N9/N950, IMHO the N9/N950 is a very "almost there" phone at best - which I find really disappointing. I was really looking forward to the N9/N950 to replace my aging N900. At this exact moment in time, I'm 50/50 in deciding whether to get another N900 as a backup to last me another few years. The N9, while being a step forward in some areas, is definitely (for me) a step backwards in just as many, and stagnation in the rest.

volt 2011-06-21 13:58

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I'm anti-signup.

I am not going to allow anything to use my twitter account to sign up on a list of 32 (or 320) names when Nokia probably would not listen until it reaches 320 000. Sorry :(

Verythrax 2011-06-21 14:00

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1034753)
I'm anti-signup.

I am not going to allow anything to use my twitter account to sign up on a list of 32 (or 320) names when Nokia probably would not listen until it reaches 320 000. Sorry :(

Whoa, THAT helped :rolleyes:

The Wizard of Huz 2011-06-21 14:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by biatch0 (Post 1034750)
The things that I really loved in the N900 like flash support, FM transmitter, swappable batteries, are all gone. Improvements from the N900? CPU - debatable since we don't know what the N9/N950 will clock to vs the N900 typically running stable at 1.1GHz. Voice navigation - this was promised to N900 users way back from what I can remember, but it never materialized.

Sure, there's other nifty things like NFC that are on the N9, but as far as I'm concerned they're all nifty little things that are nice to have but I'd be perfectly fine living without.

Based on the information available so far on the N9/N950, IMHO the N9/N950 is a very "almost there" phone at best - which I find really disappointing. I was really looking forward to the N9/N950 to replace my aging N900. At this exact moment in time, I'm 50/50 in deciding whether to get another N900 as a backup to last me another few years. The N9, while being a step forward in some areas, is definitely (for me) a step backwards in just as many, and stagnation in the rest.

Camera is big improvement. But for the rest I agree with you.

Brock 2011-06-21 14:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1034740)
Nor the United Kingdom.

nor germany... very annoying... hope it will change soon...

zonk0r 2011-06-21 14:01

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1034745)
Source for this? Not that I doubt you; just this is the first time I've honestly heard this.

here you go :)

http://meegonews.com/2010/11/21/lte-...-in-meego-1-3/

volt 2011-06-21 14:01

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Verythrax (Post 1034755)
Whoa, THAT helped :rolleyes:

Nothing we can do will help. We need to rely on the stock holders, now. Save your effort for where it makes a difference.

zlatokosi 2011-06-21 14:01

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034742)
:) i know the UK market is absurd, but I live here and would rather spend my money in the UK than the US. Although a massive chunk of the money i spend on these products will go abroad, at least some stays in the UK.

Based on UK prices therefore - I can't see this phone costing £700, even for the 64GB version.

Am I right in thinking this OMAP version is the one that the Sammy Hummingbird CPU was based on? I would not be suprised - especially given nokia are sammy's biggest chip customer.

The memory modules will be the thing that'll push the price up, mainly because 70% (ballpark figure) of all of these modules were produced by Toshiba, who had to close their two main plants down in Japan because of the Tsunami.

With the price of AMOLED screens about the plummet with that HUGGGEEEE fab plant coming online in the next month or two as well, I can't see any reason for the price of this phone to be high - apart from the memory, and maybe ramp it up because of development costs - but I can't see them punishing the customer with that on a first-release device anyways?

And it's not only the UK market, Apple pretty much has that pricing policy everywhere outside the US (Correct me guys if I'm wrong).

That is why I don't understand the (speculated) price of the N9. It's like Nokia is trying to force customers to choose between a (absurdly) overpriced non-US iPhone 4, or the latest (absurdly) overpriced last-release iPhonesque N9. :)

But hey, for 250 euros I'd buy it in a second.

Verythrax 2011-06-21 14:03

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1034760)
Nothing we can do will help. We need to rely on the stock holders, now. Save your effort for where it makes a difference.

You just need a couple of clicks, not THAT wasted effort.

kolos 2011-06-21 14:03

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1034641)
If I am not a developer, not a Linux lover, why get this device if you already own an iphone?

Maybe just because you like more red or blue color? ;)

Verythrax 2011-06-21 14:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1034757)
nor germany... very annoying... hope it will change soon...

Isn't just that "selected markets first" thing?

Myabe they will open for the rest of the world after a while. With luck, I can have it in time for Christmas and the Muppet movie :D

volt 2011-06-21 14:04

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kolos (Post 1034763)
Maybe just because you like more red or blue color? ;)

You mean cyan and magenta.

zonk0r 2011-06-21 14:05

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034761)
And it's not only the UK market, Apple pretty much has that pricing policy everywhere outside the US (Correct me guys if I'm wrong).

That is why I don't understand the (speculated) price of the N9. It's like Nokia is trying to force customers to choose between a (absurdly) overpriced non-US iPhone 4, or the latest (absurdly) overpriced last-release iPhonesque N9. :)

But hey, for 250 euros I'd buy it in a second.

I agree - Look at the Playstation Vita - it's more than next-gen phone tech, including 3g Radio, for 250 Euros. I know they are selling it at a loss (last i read, estimated between 25/50 euros a unit)

they could easily sell that for 400 euros if it was a phone.

what is it, quad core CPU & quad core GPU (not a hardware fanatic, but these price points seem mentally unbalanced to me)

kolos 2011-06-21 14:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 1034766)
You mean cyan and magenta.

My bad. You are correct. :D

volt 2011-06-21 14:06

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1034740)
Nor the United Kingdom.

No way, Norway :(

zlatokosi 2011-06-21 14:06

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Verythrax (Post 1034765)
Isn't just that "selected markets first" thing?

Myabe they will open for the rest of the world after a while. With luck, I can have it in time for Christmas and the Muppet movie :D

Most of the iPhone saturated markets are missing...

gerbick 2011-06-21 14:07

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034758)

Thanks. That's for Verizon (CDMA) and Sprint (CDMA) whereas albeit different frequencies, T-Mobile and AT&T are GSM,

1700/2100 for T-Mobile, 850/1900 for AT&T.

ste-phan 2011-06-21 14:07

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So Nokia has let most of the Maemo fans down with this consumer phone w/o HDMI, Resistive screen, adobe flash support, hardware keyboard, FM, IR, external battery and so on...
Luckily at least the software can be customised.

What about "fixing" the virtual keyboard application to show transparent overlay with colours and opacity that can be (auto) adjusted for the nerd apps like terminal and VI?
I wish the keyboard could be overlay while the other part of the screen that displays the nerd-app is still scrollable.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/457...1062114575.jpg

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4...1062114575.jpg

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2...1062115025.jpg

volt 2011-06-21 14:11

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And easily toggleable opacity.

Edit: interesting that your example of an nerd-app is the browser with TMO open.

Verythrax 2011-06-21 14:12

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034771)
Most of the iPhone saturated markets are missing...

Doesn't look good, then. Even in my case, since here is becoming Android saturated instead.

biatch0 2011-06-21 14:13

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1034756)
Camera is big improvement. But for the rest I agree with you.

Forgot about the camera - improvement for sure. Not so much the 5MP to 8MP but the F2.2. Still, most people don't think about the F2.2 and end up looking at the 8MP - which isn't incredible by any standard compared to most other devices available right now. A 12MP would definitely fit much better especially on a device that is "supposed" to be the Nokia flagship at least until their WP7 devices are out.

End of the day, the N9 appears to be a very "average" phone to both the enthusiasts that have loved the N900 for these past few years as well as the general public. Very much in "neither here no there" territory.

volt 2011-06-21 14:13

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Sweden is on the list, so I could always import. Technically. If I should decide I want it. It's a valid competitor to my ZTE Blade, but the reason I got the ZTE Blade in the first place was the £100 price tag.

ezameht 2011-06-21 14:14

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I will wait for the price in Europe before deciding to buy the N9 or to use the N900 for another year. The hardware is far away from high-end, so maybe Nokia is able to sell the N9 at really good price... (maybe € 460)

volt 2011-06-21 14:16

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
I would be somewhat price optimistic, the N900 turned out to be cheaper than the first guesses.

billybobjones 2011-06-21 14:16

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1034761)
And it's not only the UK market, Apple pretty much has that pricing policy everywhere outside the US (Correct me guys if I'm wrong).

That is why I don't understand the (speculated) price of the N9. It's like Nokia is trying to force customers to choose between a (absurdly) overpriced non-US iPhone 4, or the latest (absurdly) overpriced last-release iPhonesque N9. :)

But hey, for 250 euros I'd buy it in a second.

Well, it's like the Nokia N8 here in Italy, it costs 600 euro's unlocked at a brick and mortar, while the Samsung Nexus S unlocked costs 500. Their pricing just doesn't make sense and I feel it's because they're still living in a time when the Nokia brand could command a premium instead of competing on functionality, specs and other merits.

Of course, this could just be the store adding to the price since the MSRP was supposed to be around 400 euro's but I have yet to see an N8 for that price.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-06-21 14:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1034740)
Nor the United Kingdom.

oh piss!

that is not good news.

zonk0r 2011-06-21 14:19

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1034773)
Thanks. That's for Verizon (CDMA) and Sprint (CDMA) whereas albeit different frequencies, T-Mobile and AT&T are GSM,

1700/2100 for T-Mobile, 850/1900 for AT&T.

You are correct, you can also see it listed here in the required features list: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/meego_core_feature/1.3

Makes me wonder - given the C7 (astound) was released on T-mobile, will we see any other networks? Luckily i'm not too familiar with the american vendors - apart from their absurd contract lengths and prices (not as bad as those poor old canadians though, eh? *chuckles*)

Also, weren't Sprint considering a buyout of t-mobile? that could put a few more stumbling blocks in the way...

smegheadz 2011-06-21 14:23

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seems like lots of anger and knashing of teeth over this, brings me back to the n900 release.
This is the next step in my opinion. n900 was a testing the waters with different features, wasn't meant for mainstream consumers but as a step.
Out of box is much better from what i'm reading, it has MMS!! It has better social network intergration, it has better event managment, it has better multitasking, did you see how many task's were running in some video's with no lag between jumping back to the task manager or closing them? the swipe feature is a step forward for 1 handed use, i've missed 1 handed phone use. i'm not too much of a fan of touchscreen typing but i'll not judge this untill i use it. as i stated earlier, some touch screen kb are terrible some are decent just like some hwkb are terrible and some decent.
i love the n900 but i can see it's flaw's and how it didn't appeal to mass market, i have let family and friends use it and it's good but as a phone wasn't good enough for them. things weren't easy and they don't want to spend their time learning when they have better things to be doing.

to summarise, i like the n9 and the OS, i've had me n900 since the release and i've only had to remove the battery twice to reset and that was because i was fooling around with extra's dev apps. i've never used the tv out on any phone. and doubt i will because i have a pc, or laptop for that.
i suggest you all look at the links provided by nokia which brock helpfully posted earlier before you start bashing. there's a wealth of information there. then sit back and ask yourself, can your teenage sister use it out of the box easer then using the n900 out of box?

Edit: sorry for the long message, been reading this thread since 12 and it's 3:25pm now.

billybobjones 2011-06-21 14:24

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zonk0r (Post 1034798)
You are correct, you can also see it listed here in the required features list: http://wiki.meego.com/Quality/meego_core_feature/1.3

Makes me wonder - given the C7 (astound) was released on T-mobile, will we see any other networks? Luckily i'm not too familiar with the american vendors - apart from their absurd contract lengths and prices (not as bad as those poor old canadians though, eh? *chuckles*)

Also, weren't Sprint considering a buyout of t-mobile? that could put a few more stumbling blocks in the way...

I believe that is AT&T

zonk0r 2011-06-21 14:25

Re: The EPIC N9 anticipation thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by billybobjones (Post 1034794)
Well, it's like the Nokia N8 here in Italy, it costs 600 euro's unlocked at a brick and mortar, while the Samsung Nexus S unlocked costs 500. Their pricing just doesn't make sense and I feel it's because they're still living in a time when the Nokia brand could command a premium instead of competing on functionality, specs and other merits.

Of course, this could just be the store adding to the price since the MSRP was supposed to be around 400 euro's but I have yet to see an N8 for that price.

PHWAOR!!!

that's nearly twice the UK unlocked price!!! and we pay 20% tax!!!!

http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4...rlrefer=search

£329.99

Nexus S unlocked is more of a premium at £429.99 from the same site

and the SGS2 not far above at 474.99

even direct from Nokia the N8 now £339.99

plus, we've just got 12 month contracts back, woop!


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