Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

yeah right! so there isnt enought of those android handsets outhere already?

Re: RUMOR: Microsoft buying Nokia
 

Trojan attack.

ELOP was sent in by Balmer to do the deal.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

If this does happen, hopefully this doesn't end up like another Kin. I'd like to see Microsoft going head to head with Apple - good hardware design, software tailored for the hardware (hopefully we have no update fiascos. how can they mess that one up while in Windows world, the servicing stack is the best i've seen on a proprietary OS?)

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

he have been right before... alot. when he is wrong not by far, he mostly wrong when its personal stuff like camera quality persection etc.

but recently i heard nokia still in talk with google for adopting android,
considering everybody knows nokia WP7 sales will tank.

microsoft buying nokia mobile division its only way to stop it form jumping ship.
but it will be expensive nokai half finish economy, european union would be against it.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Broken-English jo21 is right! Considering Nokia is such an enormous part of the Finnish economy, I find it hard to imagine the EU would allow it--Nokia's already crippled the local economy and killed a lot of jobs as it is already... this would be several significant nails in Finland's coffin if it were allowed. Doesn't mean it WON'T happen, but it seems to me to be either unlikely or else fatal to a whole country's economy.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Windows sales fell in both of the last two quarters, which is unprecedented.

MS is getting desperate now as they see the support for traditional desktop PCs and even netbooks being eaten by mobile devices and tablets.

They have a long way to go, but I do wonder how they intend to deal with the slow decline of one of their core businesses.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Better watch out for a massive change to Nokia in every respect because it is on the cards now that Microsoft will soon own as much of Nokia it can get, so wait for the revolution to happen because it is sure as hell going to happen.

Anyone who knows anything about Microsoft will know it's manipulating ways to crunch its way forward just like the Rupert Murdoch and obviously Bill Gates way of business.

Change is happening to Nokia before our very eyes and we would be blind not to see it even at this stage !.

Problem is it is unclear what route Microsoft/Nokia will take next?.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Newsflash for you dude,

S60 is Symbian. Learn your facts before posting

Instead, S40 is a dumb OS. You never had a Nokia phone now did you?

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

I'm pretty certain he probably intended to imply that Symbian phones are dumbphones. There seems to be a lot of that opinion in these forums, right or wrong. It's not surprising, given this is a Maemo forum.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

lol at ppl here with "common sense"

no opinion on this rumour either way

but I remember similar posts prior to Elops Burning Platform

"Nokia will NEVER use Windows - It doesnt make sense ! NEVER HAPPEN !"

ha ha ha ha

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Nokia should have gone Android? WTF? Nokia should have developed Maemo 5 further and really pushed it as a high-end OS. I've said it time and time again that they should have had it as the high OS until MeeGo was ready, then move to that. This stupid 'yeah in a year there'll be another OS' was ridiculous with the speed at which Android is growing - not necessarily in ability, but just flooding the market. The irony is Maemo 5 is better optimised, far more open and far more customisable than Android - and you don't have to give your personal info to one of the most untrustworthy companies in the tech world.
There are people on Android who hate the N900 - fair enough, it's not for everyone hardware-wise. But if Maemo had been pushed, put on other devices, touchscreen-only, capacitive screen on some etc etc, and pushed it like Google pushes Android, the landscape would be different now.

This isn't a rant on Nokia shouldn't have gone WP7 route (personally i think if the missing features get into WP7 there's no problem with it replacing Symbian), but a response to the Nokia should've gone Android route. Same old story though - make an announcement, delay, delay, change your mind, delay, confuse everyone, cancel plan. Nokia is its own worst enemy by changing plans and not following up with the game changers it has. The momentum of Android in the consumer market shows how many people want what Maemo does so much better.

But on topic of MS/Nokia - because Elder got something right he's now the messiah? It's not in MS's interests to buy Nokia, why go to all that effort of hardware R+D and production and manufacturing when you have largest handset manufacturer doing it all for you? And giving you royalties? And giving you patent portfolio access? No reason to do it at all.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

The difference being that MS needed a big name partner to get WP7 going, and Nokia clearly needed some new direction with Symbian dropping marketshare. Yes we were all upset with the news but we can see why it happened. MS buying Nokia doesn't make sense though, for the reason explained in the last paragraph of my post above.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

>> Yes we were all upset with the news but we can see why it happened.

I think you are taking big liberties with the term "we"

PLENTY of people STILL saying Nokia killed withself with WP (nokia is now a generic hardware producer et etc)

Here is a hint - Does MS buying Skype make sense ?

again - ha ha ha to "common sense"

Re: RUMOR: Microsoft buying Nokia
 

I've said several times - Elops getting bigger MS bonuses now, than ever.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Bring on WP7 at least it works !.

Everyone had better get used to the idea that Microsoft/Nokia will mean Maemo being replaced by WP7 and i think not before time either, have we not waited long enough for a fully workable OS and here it comes !!!.

Just think... a fully configurable N900 to a Windows OS has got to be good news has it not?.

PS do i duck and run now ? :p

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

not sells double all those put together.... it makes sense.

but nokia will loose it biggest manufacturer to samsung.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Good news for Nokia. The quicker they get out of mobile the better in the long run.

They already gave up on mobile software and there's no money in just being a MS manufacturer. Hopefully Elop and all EVPs transfer to MS along with the mobile division, and Nokia can start rebuilding itself with fresh management.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Well there is some more smoke/fire on the "burning platform":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13409318

based on:

http://blog.ovi.com/2011/05/16/the-e...nokia-and-ovi/

I trust this is "share booster".

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

dont like eldar... sometimes he is right but this time i dont think that this will happen.

But it would be something a lot of people had tought about... do you remember the guy who asked elop if he is a trojan horse? ;)

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

I've missed that, can you post a link?

Still I don't think he was not a genuine Trojan horse, more like a manager during the transition that was agreed during the last year. I am pretty certain about this, the people who make big decisions don't allow common people to interfere.

The news we perceive and comment here are parts of the scenario which was designed much earlier.

There is no doubt that nokia is falling down, the only thing that remains to be seen how exactly this will happen. So Eldar may not be very far off the mark.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Maybe they'll go back to making boots and sporting good. Maybe they'll dive into the lucrative underwear business. God knows everyone needs a new pair after the recent massive layoffs at Nokia.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Oooo... you wanna bet on this? I'll bet against you that at least PART of Nokia gets bought by Microsoft before the year ends! :) (Somehow, I get the feeling Microsoft will buy a large portion of Nokia's IP or Nokia's cellphone division, leaving Nokia back to a tiny little localized Finnish company making non-cellular stuff like boots, boats and other necessities the locals will buy.)

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

They have already agreed on this, long time before any of us found out that there is smoke on the "burning platform". The shareholder's money is the most important.

Who cares if they produce boots, boats, and toilet paper afterwards (I hope it will be quality stuff).

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Yes good idea, how about sexy underwear , they are sooo good at making things full of holes :D.

Re: RUMOR: Microsoft buying Nokia
 

I'm praying this happens and that Windows Phone 7 Nokias come out in a sleek form.
But then out-of-nowhere, LG/OEM picks up MeeGo and makes a better high-end phone then Microkia, possibly porting Dalvik to it. And then we all upgrade our N900 and send Nokia "i told you so" emails. :D

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

eldar is just gunning for attention. this will never happen. it was considered and shelved. that's why MS then decided to work with Nokia (in the announcement that caused hell on the net a couple of months ago).

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

It's not good news to me; just the action of another big company I don't care about.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Unlike Elop, Balmer and shareholders we do not see the entire picture/plan.

The only think we can do is speculate, whenever they decide to disclose a bit of information.

Examples:
- 10 September 2010, Nokia appoints Microsoft executive as new head
- 1. November 2010, Ari Jaaksi, leaving Nokia
- 11 February 2011, Open Letter from CEO Stephen Elop, Nokia and CEO Steve Ballmer, Microsoft
- 27 April 2011, Nokia announces next steps in transformation
- 16 May 2011, Nokia kills off Ovi mobile brand

This usually happens when they have to do it, simple because it is the time for next move to be made.

If you retrace the steps (at least the steps we had a chance to be aware of) they made since last year, you will see where this line leads.

The fact that many people don't like Eldar, nor share his opinion, does not make his "prediction" less probable.

http://conversations.nokia.com/tag/microsoft/

Re: RUMOR: Microsoft buying Nokia
 

I'm sure those 100k emails from people who upgraded would be quite a nuisance to Nokia :)

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

an update at engadget:

Update: As Reonhato pointed out in comments, Mark Squires, UK Communications Director for Nokia, has already issued an uncharacteristically pointed non-comment. "We typically don't comment on rumors. But we have to say that Eldar's rumors are getting obviously less accurate with every passing moment."

Lets hope that he says the truth...

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

This whole thing just seems so far fetched. Even after Elopocalypse. Although I'm entertained imagining danramos rubbing his hands in glee and giggling like a movie bad guy as he reads some of these "panic posts". Love ya Dan :)

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

I doubt that UK communication director would know anything about the matter anyway. Something like this would be negotiated at the very top of both organizations, and only people on need to know basis and russian bloggers would know about it.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

People in the need-to-know circle usually know and plan activities great deal ahead. The commoners, like us, and eldar can only hope to watch for the public activities (the ones the need-to-know can not hide anyway), and extrapolate more or less accurately.

No matter how extrapolation are accurate, they are vigorously denied until rumours become facts.

In this case, we have not seen everything that is cooked in the need-to-know circle.

Besides, I recall that Eldar has managed on several occasions to publish facts about devices available to Nokia employees. So there is almost certainly someone who is leaking (dis)information to Eldar. In this case someone may have shared his/hers concerns about mikrokia partnership.

BTW: How many Nokians are still posting here?

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Buying skype didn't make sense but it still happend. It doesn't have to make sense, it's shopping which is always good. The american passtime. Maybe steve's wife asked for a nokia, so he got her one.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Advanced users and developers tend to think that they are the center of the world market but it's not so. It doesn't matter if you have right and it doesn't matter if your idea or your way of thinking is the best, the most practical etc. All it matters for companies is the average user and the average user doesn't give a damn about his/her phone OS. Does it have colors, moving objects and useless hi-tech features? If yes, then it's perfect.

Only companies that target the advanced users and developers can give us what we want. Maemo, meego, Qt etc was too good to be true; considering this market. Cross-platform and open source is bad business.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

And the very reason Nokia have teamed with Microsoft because we on here are the elite but not the "average" user by any means.

I agree totally with this post in every way it speaks common sense, well said !!!.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Microsoft is known to produce good mouses, if they bring surface to smartphones this would be the iphone-killer anyway!

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

The MICE you mean but hellish funny i tell you :D my belly hurts lol.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

Actually it makes sense.

When you are big like Oracle or M$, you need to buy a company or two once in a while in order to demonstrate that you are still fat-mighty-ugly-company no one wants to take on. It is sort of a marketing activity.

Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 

It makes sense at that price tag?

How are you gonna make what you paid back ?

Thats the issue here and why ppl say it does not make sense - go read some details about the deal to get an understanding of why people say it does not make sense.