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droll 2011-05-17 15:18
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
i used to work in the handset business and what one oem partner told me makes sense - buying a device is a lifestyle statement. what matters most is when you put it on the table and people go oooooh, aaaaaaah.

so, the average person's opinion is usually the one that drives decisions. afterall, the volume game is in the consumer market. make 1 dollar from 10 people instead of 10 dollars from 1 person and you will win mindshare and marketshare. lol.

momcilo 2011-05-17 15:24
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 1008244)
It makes sense at that price tag?

How are you gonna make what you paid back ?

Thats the issue here and why ppl say it does not make sense - go read some details about the deal to get an understanding of why people say it does not make sense.
It depends on the nature of the gain they obtain. The gain can be financial, political, prestige, technological, etc.

Furthermore, it also depends on when they expect to capitalize their gain (convert to money eventually).

From my (or yours) point of view it looks like it does not make sense, but given the reputation these people have, it makes perfect sense for them.

christexaport 2011-05-17 20:25
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by uppercase (Post 1008099)
Buying skype didn't make sense but it still happend. It doesn't have to make sense, it's shopping which is always good. The american passtime. Maybe steve's wife asked for a nokia, so he got her one.
Buying Skype makes sense no matter WHO you are! Too many consumers/users already there! Great proprietary technology for voice, which equals intellectual property, video calling tech... Why wouldn't ANY company NOT want the top video chatting app on the market encompassing every OS on the market?

If LTE voice doesn't pan out, MSFT could just make deals with carriers to share revenue and use Skype across the board. Already supports numbers, landline calls, etc. Did all the work for them...

TheLongshot 2011-05-17 20:43
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 1008543)
Buying Skype makes sense no matter WHO you are! Too many consumers/users already there! Great proprietary technology for voice, which equals intellectual property, video calling tech... Why wouldn't ANY company NOT want the top video chatting app on the market encompassing every OS on the market?

If LTE voice doesn't pan out, MSFT could just make deals with carriers to share revenue and use Skype across the board. Already supports numbers, landline calls, etc. Did all the work for them...
I still don't see how they can get 8.5B worth of value out of Skype. Given Microsoft's past history in buying companies, the prognosis isn't good.

danramos 2011-05-17 20:58
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droll (Post 1007980)
eldar is just gunning for attention. this will never happen. it was considered and shelved. that's why MS then decided to work with Nokia (in the announcement that caused hell on the net a couple of months ago).
Whether or not he's gunning for attention with this doesn't make it any more or less likely. I'm sure he was gunning for attention when he said that Nokia would be going Windows Phone 7 and before that when he reviewed the half-assed N900.. neither of which, in hindsight, were inaccurate. Can you provide more of an argument than "he's gunning for attention" and that they considered it but it was shelved? Near as I can tell, Nokia also tried to dismiss claims they would be considering Android or Windows Phone 7 and the evidence was supposed to be their incredible dedication to open-source and to their recently purchased QT. :P

HellFlyer 2011-05-17 20:58
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
I dont think it will happen. He simply learned from somewhere about Ovi brand elimination and decided to make a wild guess about something bigger since what he said before turned out to be true.

This guy hates Nokia and never misses a chance to trash them in any way possible. So far I think he did this so that Nokia's stock goes down even more

danramos 2011-05-17 21:10
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by HellFlyer (Post 1008582)
This guy hates Nokia and never misses a chance to trash them in any way possible. So far I think he did this so that Nokia's stock goes down even more
Just because someone doesn't like Nokia doesn't necessarily answer the question of whether they're likely to be right or wrong.

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1008056)
an update at engadget:

Update: As Reonhato pointed out in comments, Mark Squires, UK Communications Director for Nokia, has already issued an uncharacteristically pointed non-comment. "We typically don't comment on rumors. But we have to say that Eldar's rumors are getting obviously less accurate with every passing moment."

Lets hope that he says the truth...
I would also like to point out that he didn't say Eldar was wrong. The way he put it, it can neither be a truth nor a lie, because he targeted "accuracy"... so much for that hope of yours. If he wanted to comment on the rumor, he COULD have simply said the words: The rumors are untrue.

HellFlyer 2011-05-17 21:16
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1008592)
Just because someone doesn't like Nokia doesn't necessarily answer the question of whether they're likely to be right or wrong.

True but spreading rumours about the company certainly helps :) Whether WP 7 was a good move is yet to be seen and as much as Elop is considered a spy or trojan horse I think he would prefer to be CEO of Nokia then the "president" of MS's mobile division.

danramos 2011-05-17 21:19
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by HellFlyer (Post 1008602)
True but spreading rumours about the company certainly helps :) Whether WP 7 was a good move is yet to be seen and as much as Elop is considered a spy or trojan horse I think he would prefer to be CEO of Nokia then the "president" of MS's mobile division.
Spreading rumors about the company in and of itself, again, neither makes him right or wrong. His ratio for correct rumors, however, does make him far more likely to be right than wrong on this but still doesn't confirm anything. The ambiguous response from Nokia to the rumor also doesn't make him any more right or wrong.

cfh11 2011-05-17 21:23
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
Btw, OF COURSE microsoft WANTS to buy Nokia's mobile division. This would be a smart acquisition for anyone looking to make headway in mobile devices if the price was right. The question is, has Nokia seriously considered such an offer? Logic says no, but Nokia has not exactly acted in a logical manner in the past few years....

HellFlyer 2011-05-17 21:28
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1008612)
Spreading rumors about the company in and of itself, again, neither makes him right or wrong. His ratio for correct rumors, however, does make him far more likely to be right than wrong on this but still doesn't confirm anything. The ambiguous response from Nokia to the rumor also doesn't make him any more right or wrong.
What?? Nokia responded? Where is it? :eek:

christexaport 2011-05-17 21:31
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheLongshot (Post 1008562)
I still don't see how they can get 8.5B worth of value out of Skype. Given Microsoft's past history in buying companies, the prognosis isn't good.
If MSFT can convince all the major carriers to not even invest in voice services anymore, and just adopt Skype as their official voice service (Remember, Skype is on ALL smart platforms, and a few featurephones as well, so plausible...), and it would have a large control in the industry. ESPECIALLY if MSFT gets paid for it. Would make sense, since all calls would be data related, and add to the carriers bottom line alot easier without need for alot of the dirty work. They could replace voice and SMS overnight! That's a big business in the US, and easily recoups the cash in short order. Not to mention getting apps to pay to add Skype into their services and apps. Am I the only one seeing the implications?

danramos 2011-05-17 21:36
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by HellFlyer (Post 1008625)
What?? Nokia responded? Where is it? :eek:
Did you miss the whole conversation a page back? Not only is it all over the tech news, but Brock posted it to this thread...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1008056)
an update at engadget:

Update: As Reonhato pointed out in comments, Mark Squires, UK Communications Director for Nokia, has already issued an uncharacteristically pointed non-comment. "We typically don't comment on rumors. But we have to say that Eldar's rumors are getting obviously less accurate with every passing moment."

Lets hope that he says the truth...

danramos 2011-05-17 21:39
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by christexaport (Post 1008629)
If MSFT can convince all the major carriers to not even invest in voice services anymore, and just adopt Skype as their official voice service (Remember, Skype is on ALL smart platforms, and a few featurephones as well, so plausible...), and it would have a large control in the industry. ESPECIALLY if MSFT gets paid for it. Would make sense, since all calls would be data related, and add to the carriers bottom line alot easier without need for alot of the dirty work. They could replace voice and SMS overnight! That's a big business in the US, and easily recoups the cash in short order. Not to mention getting apps to pay to add Skype into their services and apps. Am I the only one seeing the implications?
The carriers have always been opposed to this in the past. They want to be seen as value-added services (i.e. voice+data+sms+video+music+etc) and have railed against the idea of being classified as a "dumb pipes" provider of just data. They capitalize a LOT more on add-in services than they do as "just" a data carrier (which they really are, in fact--but they don't want to be seen that way). They make a LOOOOOT more on data and texting separately than they do on just data, for example.

gerbick 2011-05-17 23:36
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
It would be foolish for Microsoft to overlook the fact that mobile browsers now outnumber desktop; thus the move for Skype (the evaluation and what they paid doesn't make sense to me, but the acquisition makes sense, not the price) and Windows on ARM... the movement to mobile browsers makes sense for Microsoft.

So moving on Nokia is yet another step from MS being a dominant force (in terms of licensing only) on the desktop to being a bit player (at the moment) on the mobile front.

If that's the case, I'd have to say that collectively makes more sense than what Ballmer's been doing for the last decade.

Speculation? Yep. But I own stock in MSFT and NOK, so it would be a good thing.

number41 2011-05-18 01:16
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
What really makes this rumour sound so loud is that it seems like it might be a logical move.

danramos 2011-05-18 10:36
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by number41 (Post 1008750)
What really makes this rumour sound so loud is that it seems like it might be a logical move.
I'm not sure that anybody has been debating how loud it is. o.o

abill_uk 2011-05-18 13:58
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1007988)
It's not good news to me; just the action of another big company I don't care about.
You might not care about them but your stuck with them like them or not and we are all in the same boat, what is important is what becomes of the merger.

They have produced by far the biggest selling OS's of all time and that is undisputable so bearing that in mind we have no choice but to wait and see what they do with Nokia.

I,like you am not too fond of them myself.

delmar 2011-05-18 14:50
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1008637)
The carriers have always been opposed to this in the past. They want to be seen as value-added services (i.e. voice+data+sms+video+music+etc) and have railed against the idea of being classified as a "dumb pipes" provider of just data. They capitalize a LOT more on add-in services than they do as "just" a data carrier (which they really are, in fact--but they don't want to be seen that way). They make a LOOOOOT more on data and texting separately than they do on just data, for example.
Quote. Vodafone italy allows not voip calls with your mobile dataplan. :mad: You need an extra dataplan for voip calls, which is too expensive if you make little use of voip.

momcilo 2011-05-18 21:08
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by delmar (Post 1009225)
Quote. Vodafone italy allows not voip calls with your mobile dataplan. :mad: You need an extra dataplan for voip calls, which is too expensive if you make little use of voip.
This sort of treatment makes you feel like a cow being milked (by Vodafone d'Evil), waiting for the valiant prince(Steve Ball~mer of Micro$oft) riding on white horse (Nokia) swinging with the sword (Skype). :D

I predict very romantic ending.

Any alternative where we don't end up milked? :eek:

Seriously, If you think about it: it takes less effort to sell every day service (food, water, electricity, communication and data services), than to sell a cell phone or an operating system.

In a sense, in future we may end up with fusion of services (ecosystem), where one vendor provides telecommunication infrastructure, services and mobile devices. (one to rule them all)

Consider this "ecosystem" thing, or "cloud computing", it basically resolves to enclosed farm, where sheep, cows... get haircut, milked... The idea is to keep all of from running to another farm.

So at the end Vodafone will have a choice of adapting (merging), or becoming irrelevant at the end.

Also note that google is making a serious effort in providing global data transfer services themselves.

One obvious conclusion is you don't actually need a SIM card, so companies providing SIM cards related products will get nailed first. This fusion is a sort of a disruptive technology.

danramos 2011-05-18 21:11
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by delmar (Post 1009225)
Quote. Vodafone italy allows not voip calls with your mobile dataplan. :mad: You need an extra dataplan for voip calls, which is too expensive if you make little use of voip.
Exactly my point. They want you to pay for voice calls AS A SERVICE--not work around them and treat voice calls as data. Pathetic, isn't it?

danramos 2011-05-18 21:16
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1009508)
This sort of treatment makes you feel like a cow being milked (by Vodafone d'Evil), waiting for the valiant prince(Steve Ball~mer of Micro$oft) riding on white horse (Nokia) swinging with the sword (Skype). :D
I sincerely doubt that Microsoft, Nokia nor Skype is in any position to demand that carriers do anything. None of these holds any power over carriers. They've been languishing there in the corner at the kiddie table shouting at the carriers, "HEY! DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM??? YOU CAN'T TREAT ME THIS WAY!" while Apple, HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Google and everyone else are at the adult table where the real moving and shaking is going on.

momcilo 2011-05-18 21:56
Re: Eldarmurtazin: "MS want to buy Nokia Mobile division"
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1009516)
I sincerely doubt that Microsoft, Nokia nor Skype is in any position to demand that carriers do anything. None of these holds any power over carriers. They've been languishing there in the corner at the kiddie table shouting at the carriers, "HEY! DON'T YOU KNOW WHO I AM??? YOU CAN'T TREAT ME THIS WAY!" while Apple, HTC, Samsung, Motorola, Google and everyone else are at the adult table where the real moving and shaking is going on.
I think it is very likely the adults will be watching for a new Ballmer chicken dance, willingly or not. :D

I don't know if Oracle got invitation, but it looks they are very interested in monetising their patent portfolio. :rolleyes:

As for carriers they will join the party (ecosystem), or die.


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