Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

What makes you say this? Seriously, you and abill_uk seem to be making similar points, both in the tone and in the lack of information backing them up.

Can you do what he refuses to, and explain what you mean?

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

its a steep hill to climb, but i truly believe Meego will get there. and sooner than most think ;)

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

And because it seems You have some information which others are missing, will you please share it with us, i.e. what makes you think that n900 will have Meego distro comparable (if not better) than Maemo 5.

I don't get it guys, the thread was about Maemo 5, why out of the sudden it became some kind of flamewar? Again, it is about the choise, not about which OS is better. And for those who choose to stay with Maemo 5 it will be much easier to fix and improve things if source code is available. What has Meego to do with it? And all this nonsense that those who continue to develop for Maemo 5 is wasting his time. WTF? It is my time, let me waste it in the way I like, please. Thanks.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Why does everyone insist on wrapping this in circles? I, long ago, asked abill_uk to explain one of his points, and I would like godofwar24 to explain why he thinks MeeGo cannot ever be a replacement for Maemo 5 on the N900.

Please, I am asking those making assertions to support their point.

This is not a flamewar. There are a number of points that have been brought up about this topic:

• abill_uk insists that there are missing drivers, but refuses to explain this point
• this sort of request has been made for years, repeatedly, to little success

abill_uk's response has been a concerted effort to not answer my question, and to accuse others of attacking him and promising to report people who question his assertions.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

My two cents.

I like the N900 and Maemo, but I don't see future for this niche.

I day will arrive when my belloved N900 will die, and I will need a substitute.

So the question is: Maemo will continue after the N900s era?

I think the response is no, so I need to consider other ways. Meego? Ubuntu?

As I exposed before, the CSSU work is fundamental at this phase, but we need to focus the effort in the future enhancing the present (Maemo).

This situation could be similar to others like Qtopia, openmoko, familiar ...

Regards,
Àngel

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I won't answer... I'll let the Nokia-hosted MeeGo conference about N900 DE explain it for me:

http://vaibhavsharma.files.wordpress...on-demo-10.jpg

Please read line one aloud: "This is and will not be for regular end users." Period. You can read the whole text and see more slides by clicking here.

Even the presenter, near the end of the demo video, notes that the camera still has issues, and overall "it needs work... But is surprisingly overall good." Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Don't get me wrong. I would love to see MeeGo on the N900. I'm glad it's being worked on and developed. But it's simply not in a state to replace Maemo and still be a functional, stable, every-day full-use device. Maemo has that right now, and even it took time to get there. Do you really expect people to punch the reset button and go back to PR0.8 stability for an OS that's not supported and may or may not every be fully solid and released?

If anything, I see source from Meego DE being pulled by the community udpate teams to be adapted and replace Maemo closed-source code, not the other way around. Again, I'm not discouraging code from flowing in either direction. This is just what I predict. And I could be wrong (wouldn't be the first time)!

In the end though, it would be much easier to make a renewed appeal to Nokia to open parts of Maemo. That's been going on, but has stalled as Nokia shifted its attention to WP7. A large community campaign may get their attention, and rattle the cage enough to get their attention. Worst case, they'll do what they've been doing: Continue to ignore the end user and consider the old product line mothballed.

I see no harm in trying again. I don't expect a different result than before, but I don't see any harm in trying. If you think it's a wasted effort, so be it: Don't participate in it. Want to see real wasted effort? There are people still hacking OpenMoko on the FreeRunner. Go check out that effort and tell me asking Nokia for source is more futile. :rolleyes:

I say go for it. Ask again. Make a petition... Picket an office if it will help. The worst case scenario is we get nothing more than we have now. I don't see a reason to discourage it if someone has the energy to try again. Smash into that wall again... who knows, it may crumble this time? Or not...

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

The NITDroid had ALOT of momentum behind it, and gave us a very good implementation of Android for the N900.

Yet it is still not even near able to replace maemo and even if it had full phone capabilities it will never be more usable then maemo is now.

MeeGo is getting there, but all the work in the world and its not going to get to the sort of level that maemo is at the moment.

Maemo 5 was made for the N900 and the N900 only! MeeGo was just adapted for the N900, the minimum specs requirements of MeeGo are higher then the internals of the N900.

When I say release code for the 'Phone'.
I simply mean that they should release the source for the Phone application, not the actual modem. The bugs are within the Phone application NOT the modem driver.

Also the closed sections being open would also help with possibly updating the Kernel, GFX drivers ect.. resulting is fixing some little issues we have atm such as screen tearing.

You just suggested making a open source replacement using Qt?? Seriously??

We can't easily make open source replacement without the ORIGINAL source of the app. It would mean writing the application from scratch which could take MONTHS! With the original code, we could extract the relevant code and then is would take a number of weeks/days to make our open source replacement.

The main reason for releasing the code is so that we can easily make open source replacements without loosing functionality or spending extreme amounts of time on it.

Actually its both syncing AND the fact that there is no such option for usable portrait in it. Also it has very awkward time settings for alarms and im sure there are loads of other features people might want in the calendar app.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I don't need to. I was there.

You've just done the same thing. You've said "It can't ever be good" but not given any reasons. The DE is not intended for regular end users. It can be a base from which a version for regular end users could be developed, however. Yet the question, which still has not been answered, is why this is not possible.

It's certainly more possible than getting the last closed bits out of Nokia.

And NITDroid is Android, which IMO can't compare to MeeGo or Maemo, no matter how hard they try (never mind the fact that Android will never work with any of the closed bits required for hardware support, due to Google using a custom libc.)

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

You keep repeating yourself. Why must you be right all the time?

You have a very clear inability to take other peoples opinions. Who are you to say fixing maemo is pointless and that MeeGo is the future for the N900?

Maemo works NOW as an end usable platform, with the source code, the final tweaks and bugs can be fixed making maemo complete for us using our N900's.

MeeGo is going to, at best. take 6 months+ to get to even a PR 1.0 status for end users. Whereas Maemo could be almost perfect within a couple of months.

Just understand that NOBODY is saying MeeGo is crap or worse then Maemo. Just that atm it cannot compete with ANY mobile platform purely because its still really in alpha stages.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Personally, I've always disliked meego. The main reason being ugly rpm based packaging system. I've always preferred emerge and debs, and having installed meego 1.1 on asus 1005 Hag has shown how slow rpm is compared to debs (running on n810).

The debate weather the maemo is to be abandoned in favour of meego is pointless. The important thing is to make vendors stop abusing open source projects by limiting them through critical closed sourced code pieces (drivers, daemons, and similar).