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-   -   PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community. (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73419)

momcilo 2011-05-31 07:42
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1019170)
From another perspective as a former design engineer what can be done is to obtain data sheets on every single component requiring a driver and physically write the drivers into the os, run it as a loop untill no conflicts or halts occur but hell that is start from scratch situation and i do not envy any single dev to tackle it that way, so better a team get together armed with every single piece of data needed and work together creating with what is already available joining it all together untill you have something solid.
Even if you start from scratch, buy replacing the drivers with your own implementation, you still have to obtain the technical documentation for each chip. This can lead to signing of multiple NDAs. Recent example for this mess was the Neo Freerunner Glamo chip. They never managed to obtain the complete documentation for that chip (at least legally).

smoku 2011-05-31 10:36
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1019096)
When has Nokia answered any question with a polite yes or no?
Did you bother to ask?

I did ask an official Nokia community representative (in context of Cordia) and got a clear "No" answer.

SD69 2011-05-31 15:56
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1019096)
When has Nokia answered any question with a polite yes or no?
Nokia has answered that they do not intend to release the full source code of Fremantle.

abill_uk 2011-05-31 16:18
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
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Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 1019505)
Nokia has answered that they do not intend to release the full source code of Fremantle.
Where ? when? show us the proof.

ndi 2011-05-31 17:10
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
Yes, SD69, show us proof, because we have little understanding of why a company wouldn't just open everything up in a cutthroat, half-a-percent-counts competitive market.

I mean, what is there to lose? If only we could convince Nokia to publish source that isn't theirs, or works with secret, proprietary interfaces to hardware, or makes N900 unique, it'd all be so easy.

Why, everybody else has done it, why not Nokia?

It's not like Nokia would take a hit if identical software and identical (or better) hardware Chinese knock-offs would flood the market for 10% of the price. Or if Nokia would pay for servers and routing that Android apps can use.

You're being ridiculous, SD. We want proof of this nonsense.

Texrat 2011-05-31 17:13
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
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Originally Posted by ndi (Post 1019556)
Yes, SD69, show us proof, because we have little understanding of why a company wouldn't just open everything up in a cutthroat, half-a-percent-counts competitive market.

I mean, what is there to lose? If only we could convince Nokia to publish source that isn't theirs, or works with secret, proprietary interfaces to hardware, or makes N900 unique, it'd all be so easy.

Why, everybody else has done it, why not Nokia?

It's not like Nokia would take a hit if identical software and identical (or better) hardware Chinese knock-offs would flood the market for 10% of the price. Or if Nokia would pay for servers and routing that Android apps can use.

You're being ridiculous, SD. We want proof of this nonsense.
I almost missed the sarcasm. ;)

momcilo 2011-05-31 17:42
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ndi (Post 1019556)
Yes, SD69, show us proof, because we have little understanding of why a company wouldn't just open everything up in a cutthroat, half-a-percent-counts competitive market.

I mean, what is there to lose? If only we could convince Nokia to publish source that isn't theirs, or works with secret, proprietary interfaces to hardware, or makes N900 unique, it'd all be so easy.

Why, everybody else has done it, why not Nokia?

It's not like Nokia would take a hit if identical software and identical (or better) hardware Chinese knock-offs would flood the market for 10% of the price. Or if Nokia would pay for servers and routing that Android apps can use.

You're being ridiculous, SD. We want proof of this nonsense.
Talk about sarcasm here. My heart is broken because Nokia is pressured to release closed bits of software within their products.

Nobody asked here symbian to be open-sourced. Nokia did not mind using the GPL-ed (in general) code, using it to beat competition, by they do mind if they need to release their own source code. Even if there is no proven violation, it is simply not moral.

Does anybody know how many lines of maemo code come from open sourced project, and how much from the nokia itself?
(e.g. how many years does it take to develop kernel itself, X, libc...)

momcilo 2011-05-31 19:41
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1019560)
I almost missed the sarcasm. ;)
Out-of-topic: have you checked tag cloud recently?

Texrat 2011-05-31 23:20
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
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Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1019679)
Out-of-topic: have you checked tag cloud recently?
Thanks for the heads-up, deleted one tag here.

erendorn 2011-06-01 08:44
Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1019580)
Does anybody know how many lines of maemo code come from open sourced project, and how much from the nokia itself?
(e.g. how many years does it take to develop kernel itself, X, libc...)
Nokia is a hardware manufacturer.


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