Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I asked abill_uk a couple questions some time ago that were aggressively dodged. Everyone says that "meego can't" and I'm asking "why not?"

Because there are closed bits in Maemo that, barring a miracle, Nokia will never release. MeeGo is fully open, and putting idle effort into a poll and demanding things that have not yet come despite far better, more well reasoned arguments just wastes time and effort better put into something else.

You want to improve things? There's a fully open project with N900 support right now that needs input, whether it's code, testers, graphical designers.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

So you have a problem with us trying again to get this code released? Why do you have such a problem with this?

People are only saying that MeeGo can't replace Maemo ATM. Not never but just atm it cannot. That is why we want to just bug fix Maemo and get these open source replacements done quickly, and the source code would allow us to quickly get these replacements done.

If you have a look, you will see that in other threads and this one, I mentioned that we shoud use the open source code for the N900 adapatation of MeeGo as fundamentals such as SMS sending and recieving and the database implementations within Conversations, as well as the Phone application is going to have similar if not the same code that is within the closed source maemo version.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Thanks, that link was really helpful, most of the ref was about Maemo 4.1, but what the hey, I was honestly interested in what specific parts of Maemo 5 were closed.

I understand why companies have closed stuff, I work for Schlumberger D&M, aiming for a job in R&D, so the idea of closed source isn't a new one for me!

Also I wasn't having a go, Nokia have the right to protect their own source and ideas/code, I was honestly interested in why their is such a debate over this, and was going to say, even if we had the source would it make much of a difference.

Don't be so quick to say "those who don't know or understand what closed is", I was honestly interested in specifics, if no-one can be bothered to answer then fine, but just say that or point me to a decent ref point where I can read for myself.

Thanks.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

And this is the whole big reason why Meamo followers should really consider adapting any linux os to the N900. By the way I see it, its really not about resurrecting a nearly dead horse, its about raising several ponies. I had enough with Apple ios bs and then Android on the same path.

This would be a nice view to me.
A smallprint KDE ui or even a Netbook Remix launcher, which would save a lot of screen wear, faster user interface, less errors, saves battery by not scrolling a lot,etc.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I don't think so. Showing your support is also a way to get things improved.

Or just move along with something that you don't get a damn.

While you actively wasting your own valuable time on attacking things that you don't like, wasting the time that could otherwise be spent on getting a lot of work done you think that could improve things that you support.

I don't really like MeeGo at its present stage, but I wouldn't spend all my days on attacking it. I see that you don't like Maemo and Nokia, but I think it's time you move along with your life when you finally find something else that draw your attention and dedicate your effort on. Godspeed and good luck.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I have read everyones points onhere so far and i cannot help myself to reply to some....

JOHNLF says "it aint happening get over it move on" Ok your point is clear BUT we are talking about a Linux based OS here and it is crazy to suggest Linux is no good when it has a place in almost every industry in the world, saying to forget it and move on is just not the answer.

Wmarone still goes on about the driver argument i talked about yonks ago in this forum referring to all the closed components on the N900.
One of his replies was MeeGo already has BME....... REALLY it has been released to Carston and not to the CSSU team?.

I asked stskeeps to verify this but i have not got an answer yet.

What is going on here it seems is Nokia does not want anyone to work with Maemo as they have a preference of MeeGo and as stskeeps and wmarone are hell bound to get MeeGo up and running is really the reason they are both completely ignoring Maemo and anything to do with its future.

MeeGo is A joke considering Nokia have released closed code to Carsten because if this is the case and they do have the code, we are asking the release from from Nokia, then something IS very wrong here.

Now wmarone would you like to tell everyone here once again that stskeeps does have even BME ? when the CSSU team do not, here is your chance to explain YOURSELF ok.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I would like a Moderator to look into how the voting is handled on a Poll because it needs to be corrected as it appears you can vote for BOTH answers.
This is wrong and should not be like this.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

You chose the option to allow users to select multiple answers when you created the poll.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Then that was not my intention so is it possible to correct this and i will message everyone that has done so if it is possible to arrange the voting to be corrected?.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

No, it is not.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

It would be very nice of them if they did release it... :)

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

? can you explain please.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I don't regularly use these forums and have a "basic" N900 with a few apps installed, and am fine with it. I thought others would like to know what I heard today, given that I heard about it from someone who doesn't even own an N900.

I was talking with my cousin today and she asked me about this very poll (I didn't know what she was talking about until I came on here to see it). Amazingly, she said that she had heard about it (she doesn't own an N900, but knows that I do) from her chiropractor as her chiropractor's son is a programmer for Nokia who had worked on the N900 for over a year.

She said that after hearing that his son worked for Nokia, that she mentioned that she had a cousin (me) who owned an N900. She said that her chiropractor said that his son mentioned during a phone conversation last night that he first heard about this poll in a department meeting two days ago, as it had caught the attention of several department leaders who sometimes read these forums, and that it was "the buzz around the office".

Supposedly, assignments were handed out to see what could be done to "release the N900's software" (her words). A follow up meeting dedicated solely to this subject is supposedly going to be scheduled sometime next week, with the actual meeting taking place sometime within the next month. Out of curiosity, I look on the forums to find out what she is talking about and see this thread!

My cousin only sees her chiropractor once a month, so I might not get an update on the situation until then (maybe towards the end of next month?). I'm almost inclined to injure my back somehow so that I have a reason to see her chiropractor, but that's not going to happen (she lives about 4 hours from me). I will keep everyone updated on what I find out.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Don't blame me for being skeptical because my aunts veterinarian daughter works for Nokia as well and she said that this is a bunch of bull :)

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

HOW DARE YOU NOT BELIEVE Uber_L33t_Hax0r !!11!!!

THE FORCEZ OF THE L33TZ WILL COME FOR YOU

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Nobody would apply a lot of effort to make up such a story :D

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

How embarrassed will i be if this turns out to be true, i am going to have to stop putting so much faith in my aunts veterinarian daughter who works for Nokia.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Coincidentally my uncle's veterinarian daughter is also working for Nokia and she confirmed that she has not heard about any of it.

Ok she's just a Nokia phones promoter, but that doesn't change the fact that she works for Nokia and we cannot doubt her creditability.

Let's start a pre-debate on creditability issues of any single employee in Nokia on confirmation of rumors before we debate on the creditability on Uber_L33t_Hax0r. After that we could continue debate on whether abill_uk's poll has any economic values. We haven't had enough fun on debating.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

abill_uk,

To state this very very clearly:
* Nokia is actively funding a team working on DE consisting of Nokia employees and subcontractors. I am one such subcontractor. These people can work on the closed source parts due to the contractual relationships.
* Our goal is to provide a solid foundation for you and everyone to help build a phone OS on top of with base use cases already working (hw adaptation, calls, sms, browser, camera). If you believe in community's power to create brilliance you should love this.
* We take hardware support things such as BME, make them work under MeeGo and publish as binaries under redistributable licenses. We also if possible, open source some things. This is not always possible due to third party IPR, patents or whatever, but we do our best.
* Anything non-hardware specific contributed is usable on all other MeeGo devices.
* No, we're not going to touch the Maemo5 UI code. It is a dead end. We do Qt, Qt Quick, not dead end GTK+ mixed with Hildon.
* As a final side note, you keep saying MeeGo isn't being built for N900. It is. Having lower end hardware working fine makes a lot of sense as value.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

We might be cousins.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Ok Carsten thanyou for giving us this information which i think now finally proves on this very thread that Nokia have indeed got no intentions whatsoever of doing anything with Maemo.

I have to give you my homest opinion of the work on MeeGo and it is also the same as other peoples posts on here in that it is very slow and nowhere near ready yet for the N900.

Now we have a greater debate about the source code for the Maemo OS of the N900 as you have confirmed Nokia have released to you as a sub-contractor the code we are all trying to get out of Nokia.
This Poll has brought out some very interesting information and if you look at the voting it now stands at 411 for and 15 against, i consider that to be overwhelming odds for Nokia to release the code to the CSSU.

Now we have another debate to chew and that is why MeeGo development and the Maemo CSSU teams are not working together?.

The members of this Community now need to digest what you have said and give comments accordingly.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

My own opinions also need to be vented here and i will do so now.

I do not consider MeeGo to be viable for the N900 because already the hardware criteria spec for MeeGo is higher than the N900 has to offer.

Bearing that in mind i just can not see MeeGo getting even close to the current operating system of Maemo because after all this time if MeeGo can not be anything else other than a very basic UI then as i said before either get more work going and fast or give up and go home on the MeeGo/N900 front.

The Maemo OS is far more than a basic UI and i consider it very worthy indeed of further development mainly because of lack of any other OS such as MeeGo.

For any real progress we do need the OS to be released fully to the team working on it.

These are a few of my opinions that i wanted to share.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Don't assume you speak for the community, because you don't. I know meego is not ready right now, but i sincerely believe and hope it will.
I have tried it on my N900 and i have judged it for myself, something you haven't done.
The base is there, with a few more touches it will be ready for daily use by most TMO users and the community will build on that.


414 people /= overwhelming. This forum has around 50000 users, so your poll is supported by less then 1% of this community.
Nokia is a company guided by profit.
What do you think? How much of that profit comes from the 50000 users of this community and how much of that profit comes from less then 1% of the members in this community?

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

[QUOTE=Daneel;1016484]Don't assume you speak for the community, because you don't. I know meego is not ready right now, but i sincerely believe and hope it will.
I have tried it on my N900 and i have judged it for myself, something you haven't done.
The base is there, with a few more touches it will be ready for daily use buy most TMO users and the community will build on that.

414 people /= overwhelming.[/QUOTE

Read my post carefully !.

My opinion is MY opinion and nothing to do with anyone elses ok.

Let the Community speak for themselves, i do not speak for them.

You are now speaking for me huh, you just said "I have tried it on my N900 and i have judged it for myself, something you haven't done"

Is that right now, you know everything i have done do you?.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Too bad i already quoted your original post eh? You are acting like 5 year old boy caught peeing in his pants by his parents.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

why do you even bother - just add him to ignore list

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

There is actually a thread devoted to the subject of MeeGo not making it, take a look ok.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ighlight=meego

Read through it and also it is said in many places on this forum if you take the time to look.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

i voted yes..because,as all of you told before,nokia has dropped maemo..all devls are from the community. the developments do have a lot of bugs which has to be worked on and on..and leading to reflashing. if opening the source code can help this am in.really really in..:D

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

That pretty well sums it all up and the reason for the Poll.

Many thanks for those simple words that make it clear.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Yes, i agree, that post was a fountain of knowledge and wisdom.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

daneel..even when am typing this reply am having some buggy thing,which wont let my touch scrren behave properly.i mean it runs here and there.but am done reflashing,its quite annoying.the ones who realy has the pain knows the use of pain killers...:P

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I didn't mean to interfere your good fight but in my very limited knowledge 414 votes could be able to represent that population with 95% confidence level within 5% errors.

My apology to interrupt. You guys may continue. ;)

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I didn't vote on this preposterous poll because it is clearly worded to favor the yes side. You yourself said the poll is flawed because it allows votes on opposite sides of the issue. Yet you claim legitimacy for this crazy poll.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

What a ridiculous thread.

Let's petition Microsoft for the XP source next.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

That made me giggle, thanks!
What is even funnier is that poor abill thanked you :D

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

The mentality of some of the members of this Community are very childish and obviously only here to create arguments, completely ignored by the moderators at the moment too i might add.

The count right now being 423 for and 16 against Nokia releasing the source code for the os of the N900.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

Did the irony of the above post slip by anyone...

ps: abill, no argue ok?

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

I can think of one.

Re: PETITION to Nokia to release the full source code of the Maemo OS to this Community.
 

This idiotic thread needs closed. The amount of misinformation is astounding.

You do realize that the graphics are not made by nokia? We will never see the source code for the graphics drivers and the OS is totally useless without that driver.

Get behind meego and stop *****ing. It's giving us a better development environment, newer kernels, newer filesystems, a better UI. Maemo is old and tired. Let it go.

As for the "childish comments", you are the one that appears to have a childish mentality, thinking a weak online petition will sway a major corporation to throw away patents, copyrights and break distribution licenses.