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Going by M/S history it is bound to sell and we are in the lull before the storm, all is quiet in the making of, now we just wait and see what comes out of the lull.

This is a new world joining of 2 very big companies that need eachother.

They are too big a company and unlike Nokia they do have the resources and development teams.

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When you see statements like this......

"Underneath Microsoft's new touch-enabled tablets, we give you the tried and trusted Windows that hundreds of millions of customers rely upon: Office apps, networking, an approachable file system (a subtle dig at the iPad), a mouse and keyboard if desired. Everything."

Tablets are one thing as we all know but when they are joined with the combination of Windows and a Mobile Telephone and i think it will be along the lines of Windows 8 bringing a new OS alltogether and the very reason they have dropped Maemo and MeeGo.

Statement taken from ....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...okia-microsoft

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Two wrongs do not make a right. Two giants do not mean automatic success. And WP7 isn't exactly selling well. Nokia and Microsoft better have all of the pieces in place before the Nokia launch.

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Warren Buffet: Buy when everyone seem to be selling. Nokia is a good company. WIN 7 mobile looks like a good OS with great potential. Combine that with the nokias hardware and software knowhow(remember Nokia has made the N900, which is path breaking OS). Microsoft will bring in features that are available with competition. The WIN 7 Interface is cool and very refreshing. I predict OS will be a hit after Mango update and the later updates and Nokia will climb back.

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What are the 2 wrongs you refer too?.

I very much doubt this will be a WP7 release for Nokia, it will be something else.

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No way is Nokia even good at making software even work let alone have experiance in it !!!.

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anyway it wont be required of nokia to give vast inputs in the software part of it. it will have to make good phones which nobody has doubts.

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I can half agree with that one ;)

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LOL be careful when you use the word 'Warren Buffet'. This keyword triggered all those financial data mining engines. Now this particular opinion is all over the data mining newsfeed.:D

BTW, may I know where and when he said it? I don't mean to challenge you or your source, but purely out of curiosity as this statement doesn't fit his style very much. ;)

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Not if Ahonen is right and the carriers are boycotting Nokia phones. If they actually are, they won't let the first Nokia WP7 device be a hit so Nokia is already dead (unless the Board kicks Elop today, not tomorrow).

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Or unless Microsoft supports dem with big $$$ to push WP7 (or WP8). Not necessarily buying Nokia, but just helping out before smashup.

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nokia phones is still the best for me and it's painful seeing them being so lost after years of being the no. 1 manufacturer. the company is still living in the old days that it doesn't know what to do now in the present...

the confusing decisions / plans of nokia by pursuing something then going to be late then being cancelled then not really then slowly killing the favorite child is not helping them...

with the competition today and of all os available, choosing "windows mobile" is a very bad move thanks to it's bad reputation. the os itself is being hunted by its past to the point that's it's having a hard time redeeming itself now. kinda makes sense that the no. 1 manufacturer is choosing the no. 1 mobile os in the early years and both having issues of keeping up in the game now...

the competition keeps on releasing products as early as every two months while nokia still releases products 6-8 months after announcement. this way, they'll never gonna catch up in the race. with that large gap from announcement and release, the product feels old...

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You're a bunch of whining old women. I still have my N900, why? there are two reasons.

1 there is nothing out there that looks tempting
2 It hasn't broken

And a third: I got a Wave (Bada) to keep me occupied.

The first WP/Nokia with hw keyboard I sure as hell will get. Why? there are two reasons.

1 there will be nothing out there that looks even remotely as tempting.
2. It will not break.

And by then Bada 2 will be out to keep me occupied.

To sum it up: Bada rox, but WP/Nokia rox more :D

Seriously, if you believe that Nokia/WP will fail you simply have no idea. All operators will love a third major contender. And Nokia/WP will be loved by the people.

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Why? Nobody cares about WP. Nokia WP phone will be more of the same in a bit different packaging. Only real difference is the Nokia logo. Even that has gone through serious devaluation during the past 12 months.

Meh.

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What will control the market is end user not carriers, they have no choice but to listen to there own customers.

This community does not seem to support Microsoft or its products it appears but the rest of the world does thats for sure so anything you read on here will be not the case i feel.

Microsoft are just way too big and a move like this will only bring success as a lot of thought has gone on behind the scenes even before an attempted merger took place !.

I think we are all in for a shock somehow.

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I am afraid that history directly contradicts you. Carriers have always shown a notorious disregard for the needs and opinions of their customers and I don't see that somehow changing.

Think about n-gage, Wi-Fi, voIP, dual SIM and particularly about who it was that kicked Nokia out of the US market some years ago (yes, the carriers).

In the mobile world, Apple is way bigger than Microsoft and look at what has happened with the SIM-less iPhone5. Hey, Google is huge too and remember the great "success" the Nexus One was.

Unfortunately, Nokia is. And it is not going to be nice.

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Well anything short of teleporting capability ("Beam me up, Scotty") in their phones, will not make me buy one.

Seriously, once the bad news were announced in February, I've immediately notified my family, friends, coworkers that buying Nokia phones is not a wise decission.

Even If they fire a CEO (which will not happen for some time, since he had the confidence of shareholders for his intentions), that will not make me recommend nokia phones for some time.

It is about credibility and reputation, and they have lost both in a single day. As it turns, it takes a lot more than one day to rebuild them.

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ACK
Does shell access come with that? root anyone? I am just curious, should be Linux underneath.
But doesn't the software bother you?
I want a UNIX in my pocket. All the Linux applications I'm familiar with. But this may just be me.

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I was not talking about the US but point taken as i know nothing of how they are there.

In the mobile world Apple may well be bigger than MS but i think the gap will close if MS have anything to do with it, Nokia can still be classed as the biggest mobile hardware producer this world has so you team that with the biggest software company this world has and something has to happen, wow you do not like MS do you :p but i agree with your points mostly.

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Why don't you wait and see what happens before you finalise your decision to break away from Nokia?.

Look at the situation Nokia were in from say 97 on and it was a downward turn so they were in deep water whatever they did due to bad software design mostly i might add, wait and see what becomes of the merger as i think we will all get a pleasent shock :rolleyes: i hope :D .

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Indeed. You guys might want to look up Unisys. The joining of Sperry Univac and Buroughs to create a computer company bigger than IBM. For about a week. From 120K employees on the day of the merger to under 30K in about five years, IIRC.

Unisys still survives...as a consulting company.

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So what you are saying is MS will crash along with Nokia? if so that is a complete never going to happen simply because of the size of them unlike tiny companies in comparison you have named.

I still want to know what the 2 wrongs are !.

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No. Nokia is in trouble right now, and so is MS - seemingly. You have to remember, Ericsson almost purchased Nokia in the mid 90s when Nokia was in REAL trouble. The case now is nothing compared to how it was then. Nokia may loose market shares, but they are selling more smartphones than ever.

Both Nokia and MS know exactly what to do. They must create a platform that is easy to use, yet have features that only geeks wants. It must be secure, yet be hacker friendly enough for the "XDA-devs" around the globe. It must be smooth and nice, yet rough enough so that "improvements" can be done.

It will be great.

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If Nokia fails with WP and M$ won't buy them, they will release android devices. No doubt about this.

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What??!

I'll just leave this quote to stand by itself, as a monument to the sheer infinite nature of human stupidity.

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And i second that "stupid" quote !.

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They were selling more smartphones than ever. From Q4 2010 to Q1 2011, Nokia total smartphone sales declined for the first time ever.

It may be too late by then. Nokia is diving fast and the ground is closer by the day.

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I don't understand a lot about the market so I'll ask a simple yes or no question. Should I buy Nokia stock right now? (I know there are all kinds of things involved but I figured I'd ask anyway)

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I don't believe this is smart, so the simple answer is: No.

Better bet on Nokia bankcruptcy or even further falling stocks...
but on the other hand, I don't understand anything either about markets, can't even remember the name for those brainf***** constructions where you bet on falling stocks and the like... so better don't believe what I say.

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What would you buy right now? better to wait and see what comes out in the next 6 month or so unless you want to buy a cheap N900 from ebay and join in full time here ;).

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Slightly off-topic, but anyway

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011...e-shares-fall/

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=A...=AAPL;range=5d

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Gives an insight into other major players though ;).

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You wouldn't have a link for this?

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Shorting it.

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No.

Fitch just downgraded Nokia's credit rating by 2 notches, just one notch above "junk". I doubt this is good for Nokia shares.

http://blogs.forbes.com/greatspecula...rtner=yahootix

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Yeah whatever, rating companies have always been sensible to this kinds of stuff. But let's all remember how high ENRON's rating was in 2001 and still it was one of the biggest frauds of all time. And how Detroit's Big 3 ratings were still high when they went into bankruptcy when the economic crisis began.

So, what I'm trying to say is that, Nokia, a company which is undoubtedly in some kind of trouble at the moment, is not is THAT much trouble how some people would like it to be.

They're having problems, it's normal in in the business world to have not-that-great periods. Apple has had them in the 90's. They're successful now. What's to happen 5 years from now? Let's not dramatize things.

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Here is the solution!

RIM is hurting, stock price falling, no new exciting products. Shareholders and Analysts call for a new CEO!

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Why-Re....html?x=0&.v=1

How about giving Elop to RIM?
Elop is a well experienced manager, managed the world largest cell phone maker and has proven to make gutsy decisions. Exactly the man RIM needs now!

I think Elop's switch would be really good for the share price. I just don't know for which, NOK, RIMM, MSFT, AAPL or GOOG?

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http://press.nokia.com/2011/04/21/no...-eps-eur-0-09/

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RIM has been living on borrowed time for several years already. RIM serves a niche that has grown completely out of proportions. They have nothing of interest regarding the future of mobile devices. RIM = RIP. The only good thing about RIM is that it is mostly a North American phenomenon, they haven't poised the world with their nonsense.

Why they have been able to stay afloat and grow this long is the real mystery, not that they are finally going down to a size that fits the niche market they are serving.

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Interesting. The reason looks to be mostly decline of sales in Europe, due to Android I guess and to lesser extent the iPhone (the market for iphone is already saturated). What can I say but Nokia Nokia Nokia. But it is somewhat expected when thinking about it, the only worth while Symbian phone is the N8, and that phone is too expensive and (camera)geeky to compete with the hordes of cheaper and more catchy Android devices from SE, Samsung and HTC. I would expect the C7 and C6 to catch on more, but they look to be dead in the water.

If anything, this only proves that Elop is right, a major overhaul is needed, a new start with a portfolio made for the future.