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Jaffa 2011-06-06 08:06
Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
The moment Nokia realised MeeGo wouldn't meet their requirements

An article in Business Week, pointed to by Engadget, documents the moment that Stephen Elop, CEO of Nokia decided that MeeGo could not provide the future platform for Nokia:
Quote:
At its current pace, Nokia was on track to introduce only three MeeGo-driven models before 2014-far too slow to keep the company in the game.
The problem with the account, which strives hard to present Elop as a considerate CEO with few remaining options besides turning to Microsoft, is two-fold. Absolutely, Nokia needed a shake-up, but Lou Gerstner faced simiar challenges at IBM in the early 90s and solved it by improving cross-company collaboration, reorganising the business and cutting swathes of middle managers. This, combined with the resulting cost savings from cutting headcount, should've meant Nokia were able to release three high-end MeeGo devices by the end of 2013; with Symbian filling in the featurephone market below it.

Ignoring iPod Touches, Apple release 2 iOS devices a year: a phone and a tablet; often with relatively minor improvements over the previous year's model. It's hard to believe that this business model around MeeGo devices couldn't have been similarly successful for Nokia. The organisation and pigeon-holing of devices into N-series for multimedia or E-series for business is the business organisation that needed to be addressed. The iPhone can do multimedia and busines requirements equally well, why couldn't a single MeeGo device from Nokia?

Elop's solution of going to another company to provide their platform fails to address the core issues plaguing Nokia that prevent them from being competitive in the market (namely middle-management bloat and incompetence; a multitude of confusing, unfocused compromise devices; and the inability to ship a quality platform). While, arguably, moving to Microsoft as the platform provider enables Nokia to focus on the hardware that has always been their strong poin; hitching themselves to what's currently not a winning horse (nor likely to be) while eliminating much of their differentiation potential isn't likely to put them in a good position.
Read more (engadget.com)



In this edition...
  1. Front Page
    • The moment Nokia realised MeeGo wouldn't meet their requirements
  2. Development
    • PySide 1.0.3 release officially supports MeeGo 1.2 N900 DE
    • Translation freeze for MeeGo 1.2.1 on 15th June
  3. Devices
    • Asus announce MeeGo netbook
    • Acer Iconia M500 tablet runs MeeGo on an Atom CPU
    • Nomovok port MeeGo to Nook Color
  4. In the Wild
    • Is one of MeeGo's problems its name?
    • Does MeeGo have a $32 license fee? No
    • Understanding MeeGo
  5. Announcements
    • Desktop flip clock
    • Extshortcut - desktop shortcuts in Maemo 5 of any size & icon

abill_uk 2011-06-06 08:15
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
All threads like this do is make people think even more that MeeGo is doomed.

We already know Nokia scrubbed MeeGo but this thread is to prove what exactly?.

prankster 2011-06-06 08:18
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
lol ,no more maemo ,no more meego ?is it ?
N900 only now owns by maemo community ,new CEO is gonna let nokia hit the ground so soon .sad
fitey muh nokia ,lakhh di lanat e .

Jaffa 2011-06-06 08:19
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
This thread is the front page & contents of the latest issue of MWKN, a crowdsourced digest of Maemo & MeeGo related news from across the Internet, as following all news sources is now too hard (e.g. the SNR on TMO).

As usual, the issue is announced on Twitter, via email, on talk.maemo.org, on forum.meego.com, on planet.maemo.org, on mwkn.net and via RSS.

abill_uk 2011-06-06 08:26
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
I fear it is only going to give stskeeps even more of a downward turn.

I disagree with negative threads like this if they are bringing down MeeGo.

It is having a bad enough time as it is without any further help especially from this community to dog matters even more.

PS is it not a better idea to just give it a miss rather than publisize this on Maemo.org?.

vivmak 2011-06-06 08:27
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 1023100)
The organisation and pigeon-holing of devices into N-series for multimedia or E-series for business is the business organisation that needed to be addressed. The iPhone can do multimedia and busines requirements equally well, why couldn't a single MeeGo device from Nokia?
Because Nokia wanted to fight Balckberry and iPhones together. What is wrong with fixing Maemo 5 , real fast and quick and releasing a thinner version of n900?

Jaffa 2011-06-06 08:27
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1023112)
I fear it is only going to give stskeeps even more of a downward turn.
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Quote:
I disagree with negative threads like this if they are bringing down MeeGo.
?

This is not a negative thread. It's not negative about MeeGo. It's the front page & contents from this week's http://www.mwkn.net/ (please see the links I posted above). The front story is negative about Stephen Elop's management decisions that were backed by Nokia's board.

Stskeeps 2011-06-06 08:30
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Err.

I get downward turns out of misinformation and people spreading it, facts and properly reported news doesn't.

Please stop talking on my behalf, abill_uk.

abill_uk 2011-06-06 08:37
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 1023118)
Err.

I get downward turns out of misinformation and people spreading it, facts and properly reported news doesn't.

Please stop talking on my behalf, abill_uk.
Like it or not your going to need as much support as you can possible get AND i am also interested very much in a finished MeeGo os for the N900 as i also have a business interest IF MeeGo gets that far !.

So for your information i speak for myself more.

tswindell 2011-06-06 08:54
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1023121)
Like it or not your going to need as much support as you can possible get AND i am also interested very much in a finished MeeGo os for the N900 as i also have a business interest IF MeeGo gets that far !.

So for your information i speak for myself more.
If you're interested in a "finished" MeeGo OS (which isn't really our goal) then contribute. :)

danramos 2011-06-06 09:15
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
For a moment, I thought abill_uk was being tongue-in-cheek parodying the way people automatically react around here to ANY negative criticism of Nokia, Maemo or MeeGo. I would have been in agreement at criticizing the knee-jerk reactions, but then he continued.. and continued and I began to realize he wasn't parodying it--he's revealing himself (yet again) as a knee-jerk reactionary to honest criticism.

Get over it, abill_uk. If Nokia and, in particular, MeeGo is to improve it will need astute observations and criticism. The fact remains that Nokia is in its current predicament mainly BECAUSE it seems to never wants to seriously consider communications and the ideas from its own engineers and customers.

Sincerely,
Sir Negatron Dan!

abill_uk 2011-06-06 09:16
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 1023131)
If you're interested in a "finished" MeeGo OS (which isn't really our goal) then contribute. :)
I cannot concentrate on MeeGo at all right now as i am working on a different project at the moment.

prankster 2011-06-06 09:36
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
why the hell r ya guys wasting words for abill-uk ,lets assume as if he is half insane or deliberately doing so .please save your words for better things to discuss ,no one is interested in personal riot ,better be a good server of this community .if you guys have to use slangs ,u may do it in PM ,please,dont hurt every one's eyes .atleast not mine .****ing medical books are enough to read ,not your personal base **** .
N900 comes with maemo or meego ,in the end it will hail N900 .so no need of your personal shits .now fk it .

danramos 2011-06-06 18:56
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by prankster (Post 1023159)
why the hell r ya guys wasting words for abill-uk ,lets assume as if he is half insane or deliberately doing so .please save your words for better things to discuss ,no one is interested in personal riot ,better be a good server of this community .if you guys have to use slangs ,u may do it in PM ,please,dont hurt every one's eyes .atleast not mine .****ing medical books are enough to read ,not your personal base **** .
N900 comes with maemo or meego ,in the end it will hail N900 .so no need of your personal shits .now fk it .
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of your garbled mess of punctuation and shorthand. If you're trying to criticize language used correctly, you should at least have the decency to make sure you don't appear the worse for it. Good day, sir.

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flailingmonkey 2011-06-09 17:31
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
flailingmonkey Internet Forum Translation Service.

Quote:
Originally Posted by prankster (Post 1023159)
why the hell r ya guys wasting words for abill-uk ,lets assume as if he is half insane or deliberately doing so .please save your words for better things to discuss ,no one is interested in personal riot ,better be a good server of this community .if you guys have to use slangs ,u may do it in PM ,please,dont hurt every one's eyes .atleast not mine .****ing medical books are enough to read ,not your personal base **** .
N900 comes with maemo or meego ,in the end it will hail N900 .so no need of your personal shits .now fk it .
Translation:

Stop responding to abill_uk. We should assume he is not of a sound mental state, or acts with a deliberately malicious intent. His personal rants contribute nothing to this community, and should be reserved for private messages. Every one of his posts is offensive to read, not just to myself but to all talk.maemo.org members. The facts are that N900 has the option of running Maemo or MeeGo, and we are tired of your bull**** abill_uk.

geneven 2011-06-09 18:29
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
I don't think we need to start sacrificing people to appease the gods. In a way, if the actions of one sometimes deranged person drove someone away, I frankly think the fault lies in the person overreacting.

Translation: people shouldn't be jumping off of cliffs because of abil_uk. If they are, it's their fault.

mrsellout 2011-06-09 18:42
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1025927)
I don't think we need to start sacrificing people to appease the gods. In a way, if the actions of one sometimes deranged person drove someone away, I frankly think the fault lies in the person overreacting.

Translation: people shouldn't be jumping off of cliffs because of abil_uk. If they are, it's their fault.
When a poster makes it the point of their existence to belittle your efforts and spread lies and discontent at what must already be a testing time given the political situation at Nokia, I think Stskeeps' actions are completely understandable.

geneven 2011-06-09 18:53
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Sorry to keep on about this, but Stskeeps' responses to abil_uk showed Stskeeps at his finest. If Stskeeps didn't understand that, he was blind.

Texrat 2011-06-09 19:16
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1023112)
I fear it is only going to give stskeeps even more of a downward turn.

I disagree with negative threads like this if they are bringing down MeeGo.

It is having a bad enough time as it is without any further help especially from this community to dog matters even more.

PS is it not a better idea to just give it a miss rather than publisize this on Maemo.org?.
Do not corrupt the news threads with personal pokes. It's also off topic to question the reasoning behind MWKN in these threads. If you have an issue with how MWKN is assembled and/or its contents, contact the editors (Jaffa, GeneralAntilles) and/or the community council using the Ask the Council thread.

Thanks.

In general: let's keep this on topic.

danramos 2011-06-10 22:52
Re: Maemo Weekly News: 6 June 2011
 
I'm interested in that Asus EEE mentioned in the article, although I have to really question whether MeeGo is the better choice, given that I thought it was heavily geared toward lightweight spec mobile devices and touchscreens. Does MeeGo running on the Asus mean that the drivers for the season will be full open-source or at least available in case you wanted to install Ubuntu, Red Hat, SuSE, or any other flavors of Linux? The articles I poked through didn't seem to indicate that maybe is has a 14.8GB hard drive... maybe SSD? Is that accurate? Seems like a strange number. It seems more likely to be a good fit for Android, oddly enough. o.O


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