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Well, we have to face the fact that Nokia did quite a poor job, developing both Symbian and MeeGo. When Elop was announced the new head, he had to face that the MeeGo development, the company's only hope, was not even in range of where it should have been.

TL;DR: Richie Green did quite a bad job, and should've left long ago.

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He joined nokia in 2010, kind of difficult for him to leave "long ago".

Why do we have so many trolls on maemo.org?

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Ofcourse theyr official statement make it look like of "personal reasons" :-(

But something is smoking :-(

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According to "The Register" Henry Tirri is replacing Rich Green

Does anybody know something about Henry?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06...y_henry_tirri/

The graphic pictured in the register article definitely needs some - uhmm - explanation.

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http://research.nokia.com/people/henry_tirri

http://mashable.com/2010/02/12/futur...rri-interview/

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I think Elop underestimated the number of good people Nokia will lose. Or worse, doesn't care.

Going to be hard to rescue the Titannic without some good stewards...

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Well if you look to the illustration at the bottom of the article in The Register then whatever is smoking seems to be in Henry Tirri´s mouth....

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06...y_henry_tirri/

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The wheels keep falling off this downhill speeding behomoth.

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Capn. Ballmer will save the day with his stash of billions and his buyout plan.

I wonder if that wasn't the plan all along.

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sure starting to look like it...

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http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s...mj_popcorn.gif

Ballmer looks like a basketball coach.

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So Nokia keeps shooting itself in the leg; can it survive long enough to release new products?

Very tumultuous time for Nokia, this news does not instill confidence in the company. Nokia needs to get ahead of the news by setting the pace. A product launch, and a more candid status/ progress report on the WP7 lineups is required.

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Well, I think they did good job developing Symbian. Thing is, symbian was not designed for the purpose mobile phones today are used for - it would be easier to make an os from scratch than stretch symbian to be competitive on this field. The one huge failure was they didn't direct enough resources in developing a next gen platform when the signs were in the air, even though they had the resources to do so.

Re: Latest big name departure from Nokia: Rich Green, CTO
 

Nokia - (verb) - the act of climbing arduously to reach a high peak before tragically misstepping and tripping yourself over that peak and falling violently to your death on the other side. ;)

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As part of a required Nokia PR protocol, the previous statement that Richard Green left on medical leave was a complete fabrication. We will stop enhancing the truth in three... two... *zzzt* ;)

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He left due to personal reasons, illness. But let's be honest, he was never needed in the first place. What Nokia needed was a couple of first class technical officers that could put together and lead teams that would make Symbian and Maemo/MeGo rock. None of this happened (the only one of real CTO caliber left to HP because he couldn't stand MeeGo, a dead fish in the water)

When MS came into the picture, everything else became history.

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We have no way to know exactly why he left. But he left after Elop came on board, so my suspicion is that the move we saw on Feb. 11th was decided long ago, and not open to discussion.

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i have never seen a platform being nuked from the inside by its own company... but i REALLY do hope that meego does get completed to a consumer quality level, it wud make a sweet phone/tablet.

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another one bites the dust. will this be the end of Nokia or Meego? i doubt it. life goes on.

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From one of Henry's presentation we can see that he's quite a fan of Linus: http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/tirri/echa04.pdf

and that his theory of Dynamics of Karma is interesting. He must also be a slashdot verteran. XD

Interesting guy.

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Despite the Elop story that no final decision was made until the night before the announcement. ;)

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I have to wonder how Nokia kept these people in the past, and why that's not working now.

Elop? Board of directors? Incentives? Or that so many people were used to having their way and being held accountable is a problem perhaps... either way, this mass exodus, I fear it's not over with yet.

Hello $4.00 stock prices...

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Fyi. Nokia just keeps Green for about a year (so the exodus hasn't officially begun :D).

Coincidentally, he quited SUN, a company he worked for 20 years, soon after SUN settled with Microsoft in 2004: http://www.theserverside.com/news/th...hread_id=24933

Look like he doesn't like Microsoft very much.

Nokia replaced a (alleged) Microsoft hater with a (confirmed) Linus fan. My hope on Elop regain...(j/k ;)).

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http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/kutvonen...tio2000/13.jpg

Henry Tirri left on first row and Linus on the right on first row. The wonder of Google image search. And yes, geeks dressing up for academic promotions is not healthy for eyesight. At least they aren't playing Jedi with their PhD swords (lol @ medieval traditions at University of Helsinki).

By the way, Tirri was chosen only as an acting CTO. Look for replacement is on.

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Elop'd better be quick. His boss wouldn't be very satisfied with present arrangement.

"WHAT DID YOU SAY YOU HIRED WHO??"

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The only thing that makes sense with whatever Nokia is doing is MS is going to buy Nokia ultimately.

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Reading your post and the
"I remember watching burning depot, and the drunk old guy coming out in front of us, and telling us:
"It is nothing it's just few branches, and bit of fuel"
from your preposter was funny.

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"status/ progress report on the WP7 lineups"?

Why don't you say
"status/ progress report on resurrection trial"? :(

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Except, he is not saving the Titanic. He is bringing it down straight to the Tentacled One, just as promised.

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balmer as cthlulu ?

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True enough! Nokia: It's like First Mate Elop shouting, "ICEBERG, RIGHT AHEAD!" and Captain Balmer, instead of steering away, streers right for it shouting, "FULL STEAM AHEAD!"

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Bah. I was listening to the Linux Action Show today on my Zen while trimming bushes. When they brought up that a Nokia employee was officially on medical leave but unofficially got smacked for refusing to stop promoting MeeGo because it was confusing people and making them believe Nokia wasn't fully behind forthcoming WP7 devices I cheered - and nearly chopped my arm off with the electric hedge trimmer. When I was sure my limbs were safe I thought about all of the people here who similarly couldn't let go and I had to check in. The guys at Linux Action Show also had this to say about MeeGo after having evaluated it (one host has an N900): "Reports say MeeGo isn't there yet, and honestly, our testing says that MeeGo isn't there yet." They also say that there doesn't seem to be anyone left at Nokia who champions MeeGo with enough power to make it happen and that this leaves Intel in sole charge of MeeGo and that Intel does not have a good history of being able to bring projects like this to fruition (Moblin). They wonder whether MeeGo will be ready by the time Intel's new chips are ready, and if it won't be whether Intel even needs MeeGo anymore. They also have a story about HP listing 10 reasons why geeks should love WebOS and unlike a ChromeOS list they came away very impressed. The host with the N900 concludes that if he could run WebOS on his N900 he'd be doing it in a heartbeat and even the host with an Android phone would love to run WebOS on his Android hardware. Lastly the summary for this episode includes the line "And why WebOS might be the MeeGo killer!"

There you have it. Even Linux Action Show seems ready to bury MeeGo and move on; so far it looks like WebOS might be its spiritual heir. Full root access? Native App support? Multitasking? Active development? Plans to place it on all HP devices and PCs? Actually ready and shipping? What's not to love?

Now while I'm anxiously awaiting the first Nokia WP7 devices (and the new WP7) there's also the first WebOS devices beginning to roll out. Very interesting developments coming in the months ahead (not likely to include a good, working Nokia N950). Elop's not getting distracted with MeeGo; he's remaining focused and determined and that's a good thing - along with not tolerating insubordination, second-guessing, mixed messages and divided attention among Nokia's employees. Elop probably has to employee a Taser device at times to keep Nokia employees from handing him memos about their ideas for a Symbian^4 or asking for a short seventeen year extension to finish MeeGo. :-) (Actually, that's not an impossible scenario - you can read about the 20+ year saga regarding GNU and its attempt to develop an OS kernel - they seem to switch tactics every few months just like MeeGo did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurd)

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well they already lie about how they ditch android. i woulnd't be surprise.

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Glad to hear your arm lives to tell the story. ;)

Unlike Hurd, MeeGo has been in production and its devices shipped since last year. Last year's focus are mainly pure MeeGo tablets, this year we've dual or even tri-OS tablets.

Not by Nokia, of course, but the snow ball will keep rolling.

P.S. For Asia pacific region only.

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The problem with MeeGo is that it's not a user operating system. It's, afaiui, designed as a common base for device makers to build their system on. And of course the best we get to see is videos of actual end-user MeeGo devices...

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Henri Holm, chief of Nokia's business in China, jumped to Rovio. He was at Nokia for 16 years. He will be in charge of the Angry Bird franchise in Asia.

Leaving like people left the ship on the picture above.
http://www.hs.fi/talous/artikkeli/Ki.../1135267661734

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The Titanic actually sank because they steered away as this maneuver caused the ship to be damaged by the iceberg over its full length damaging several seperated chambers. Would they have hit the iceberg just full steam ahead then only the front chamber would have been damaged and the vessel would still have been able to float ...