Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

There is a very important difference, and it's not package formats or technology I'm talking about. It might be more open source-wise (it has the (dis)advantage of not being tied/developed with a single vendor product in mind), but focus and community-wise it's a completely different matter, and (IMHO) a huge step backwards compared to what maemo.org is/was (if I want to draw parallels, I'd say we're closer to a parliamentary monarchy, while meego.com is a feudal system with a BDFL approach). The project goals/workings (still) have not been properly communicated, and IMHO this is one of the reasons MeeGo reception is somewhat polarized - there are still plenty of people who don't quite grasp what is MeeGo and how it affects them.

In that sense, I'm glad to hear news about MeeGo, esp the (soon to be CE) DE and the bigger-impacting technological changes, but I wouldn't lull myself into MeeGo itself being (or looked at as) all that much 'closer' to the NIT lineage than, say, Ubuntu or NITdroid is.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Lets not make this thread about he that shall not be named, I'm hoping he wont come here and hijack this thread :P

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Given the above, shall we then call him Voldemort?

edit: :D

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

He was banned, no need to worry.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Did you know this forum used to be called "Internet Tablet Talk" ? ...

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

I used to talk football on this forum as well...

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

The naming scheme is FUBAR anyway, so what something is called means little anyways, and when Harmattan comes out, that barrier will become a whole lot blurrier...

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

@Thedevils, I think considering how long you've been here, and how long the rest of us have been here. You don't really have the right to say what this place is or isn't. We are a community based around the Nokia NIT devices, we have had more operating systems than just Maemo you know. and if you want to stop MeeGo announcements and discussions on this forum, then maybe you should also tell those NITdroid folks to go away as well.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Seeing as this is a forum for Nokia Internet tablet owners and meego is the next OS that will be available for Nokia Internet Tablets, it makes it entirely relevant to us.

If you want this to be Maemo only, we might as well call it the graveyard so that we're closer to Maemo.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

When and how did THAT happen?
Now we're not gonna get all his cool inventions and contributions that he's said he's going to bring on board...

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

At present it's a 3 day ban due to infractions from breaking the community rules. I believe it expires today.

Please stop enabling him by talking about him and stroking his ego (this isn't directed at ysss but at anyone reading this), and please realize that many of the posts that do so are breaking the same forum rules and could lead to infraction points.

We have a specific set of rules in this community that were carefully deliberated and reviewed by the community as a whole. The job of the moderators is to enforce those rules. Reggie's policy is of minimal intervention. Any action beyond enforcing of the rules will most likely be done through the council, which in turn is to represent the community.

Please keep to the topic of this thread now and take moderation policy discussion to another thread, and please bear in mind the community rules in the process. Finally, i know it's not always a solution, but if everyone would be careful not to enable trolling, it would reduce the friction. If someone makes a false statement, state the truth and give references, and leave it at that.

Sorry for the lecture; you may now return to your regular program.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

It's like allaboutsymbian.com. More and more is about WP, soon everything will be WP.

IMO MeeGo has nothing to do here on a Maemo forum. It will be like OpenSUSE on a Ubuntu forum, or Bada :) on a MeeGo forum. Change the name of the forum, don't live in the past for sentimental reasons, it doesn't look pretty.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Considering Nokia merged Maemo into MeeGo, and many of the technologies and applications transition without much trouble, I don't get this.

Sometimes cross-distro discussion is a good thing. I've solved problems in Ubuntu using solutions for Fedora.

This is the only one that makes sense, since Bada is detached from every other mobile OS out there, especially MeeGo.

That said, this entire topic is silly since most MeeGo chatter has taken place in the Harmattan/MeeGo subforum.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

I voted "other" because i wanted to qualify it: there's a Meego/Harmattan subforum and an Alternatives subforum. That's exactly where that kind of information can and should be posted.

Anywhere else in the forum is off topic and i would treat it as such.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Could you please me more specific because the way i am reading your post is that ANY talk of MeeGo on htis forum is off topic and should take place on the relevent forums? could you please clarify your thoughts on this.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

He was stating MeeGo related topics should be posted in the meego/harmattan sub category of this site. Which I agree with. I hope you pay attention to this poll and stop your anti-meego trolling campaign. Thank you.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Then why is this not on that sub section? and as for trolling about MeeGo , far far from it as you would be very suprised to know my thoughts !.

Dare you even ask me ? ;)

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

While i agree with you on some part i have looked at some of the comments regarding MeeGo on this forum and it is very much a mixed bag.

Some say it does not have a place on here, just like yourself, and others say the opposite that it is good to talk MeeGo on this forum.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Please pay attention to the poll results abill_uk, there is an overwhelming count against your view of no meego here, now kindly stop concentrating on the 8 people that agree with you and get back in line with the community. Thanks.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Nice, one man troll army is back. :) welcome

Edit: thank you flurry. This MessagePad resulted in à warning. I got 20 points. How many points do need and what can you do With them?

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

This is what i think and feel about MeeGo and its news of on this forum ok.....
When it comes to the N900 then every owner needs to know about anything os wise including MeeGo and yes i voted YES because you can not justify a non exsistance of MeeGo on this forum.... however.....
What i DO object to is the way you and carsten keep coming on here ramming down everyones throats how good MeeGo is and trying to put right every single adverse comment on this forum if it knocks MeeGo in any way or form.

MeeGo RIGHT NOW is nothing more than a very basic ui that runs from an sd card and not even an image in its own right to take over the Maemo os of the N900 so i hardly think MeeGo is anything to shout home about AT THE MOMENT !.

I do think MeeGo is somewhat commercial and not as free and open as everyone seems to think it is especially for the N900 and i will say why i think this....

Carsten has openly admitted on this forum that Nokia gave him the rights to have all closed components for his work on MeeGo BUT for some crazy crazy reason it is NOT to be used for anything Maemo related so it appears looking at all his comments but please i ask you to correct me on this one if i type wrong !.

Now anyone looking in on that will have a problem i am sure with this because whilst YOU and him keep ramming down everyones throats just how GOOD MeeGo is ( and remember it is no more than a very basic ui at the moment running from an sd card ) Maemo has been taken up by this commities own team of devs who do NOT have access to the closed components of the N900.

So now you work this out for yourself and you might just realise something in the order of resentment will creep in dont you think?, i started a poll for Maemo and it clearly showed the current interests BUT it got closed down for some strange reason.

Having said all that i do agree talk of MeeGo BUT please keep it sensible and not blow it out of proportion ok.

Everything i have said on this post is said without malice or trolling in any way or form.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Because the topic is not "information about Meego" but "should developer announcements about Meego be posted on the community forum". It's important to recognize topic not by keywords but by semantic content. That's what separates men from machines (mostly)...

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

N900 is by far the best device out there and it deserves a shot at the OS of 'the next generation', if i may..So, people having the N900 are accustomed to TMO and most of them (including me), would not check MeeGo forums as frequently..So, IMO, progress on MeeGo front should be posted here..
And great work on MeeGo guys..Keep up the good work and there's no need to care about some of the narrow minded people (*cough*abil_uk*cough*)'s comments...;-)

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

If that's how you feel, then that is unfortunate. From my point of view we've had to argue against you because you're playing down the state of MeeGo N900 CE, basically saying it's rubbish and we've not been doing a good job. Which is clearly offensive and also misinformation.

Now ramming down peoples throats, I think that's quite harsh. We publicise our progress because we're passionate about what we do and enjoy what we do. If you want to stifle enthusiasm then I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to do that.

This is basically what I'm talking about, you clearly don't know the state of MeeGo N900 CE. And we have images we can install on on eMMC.

The openness is not just about source code, it is about open discussion of every aspect of the MeGo project. As a meego community member, you have inclusion into every aspect of how the OS is being built, you can make your opinions known and argue. The transparency of MeeGo is what makes it open, not just the source code.

Stskeeps is under an NDA, he said he can not help wrt divulging any kind of insight into how drivers work for N900. This is a legal obligation and there holding back. He legally can not contribe to maemo like that. In fact it's not just maemo, it's anythingother than o, he couln't help NITdroid, for instance.

Can't be bothered to discuss any of that rubbish, no offence.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Unfortunately i'm not moderator of this subforum or i would edit and/or delete all the personal attacks against abill_uk since he began posting again. What i will do is give infractions as is appropriate to all those doing it--a warning was already issued here.

He has a 7 day ban for his return to personal attacks.

Edited to add two things:

Due to breaking another community rule (using an alternative account to bypass a ban), he received another infraction that automatically leads to a 30 day ban.

I'm especially intolerant of personal attacks on people who are presently banned so be aware i'm going to give infractions for people dredging up his name in a derogatory or disruptive way. Note that this is not making my own rule but simply being more strict about the enforcement of existing rules.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Didn't quite understand that, you've temporarily banned him and others slandering him?

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

I really don't get you guys.
When doctors treat a patient for a disease and they have the option to suspend the disease in the patients system for a while or completely remove it, they always choose the latter.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

It may not have been on this thread, but he indicated abill broke the rules somehow.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

On the contrary, Bada (the core OS in there somewhere) is in fact related to more phones than Maemo, MeeGo and Android combined by several orders of magnitude. Bada does not have a Linux core, but most other stuff is OpenBSD.

Anyway, I just think a change of name is suitable if MeeGo is to be discussed. Call it Maego or Meemo or whatever, maemo.org does not describe what this site is about if MeeGo is included.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

y not everything else is on here. iphone htc windows anything really keeps it as a 1 stop shop kind of thing

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Back to the subject of this thread or i will ban you all. Can you battle this out in another thread?

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

There's nothing wrong with posting MeeGo news on here if it's in the relevent places. MeeGo has it's own sub forum, where the large N9 discussion thread is, I see Cordia is in the 'alternatives' section, Qt crosses over from time to time in the development section which is understandable. I don't see much wrong with how things are now, just my two cents.

He's entitled to, as a moderator, but you're also entitled to appeal if you think it's unfair.

By the way, I had a quick look at your 14 post history and they've all been posts where you've swung in to defend abill_uk in various threads. You even have a similar style of writing. Nothing wrong with that, it just struck me as interesting.. ahem ;)

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

Since when do Polls mean anything here. What happened to the poll of opening the closed source maemo parts. How is Meego anywhere near related to actually having a Maemo poll. When Maemo polls dont mean jack to Nokia, why should the community let another community working under Nokia feel any different. This forum is clearly not based on democracy, ban whomever u feel like banning, rediculous to say the least

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

This poll was an attempt to get an insight into how the community feels about meego news, I was fully expecting the results to go this way and the thread to be used for the opposition to express their dismay.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

This community, thankfully, has rules and governing bodies. Might want to read up on that.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

EDIT: ignore it I did not read the previous conversation on the subject.
EDIT 2: I've read the rest of it, please don't ban me :D

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

In his defence (why I am doing this!), to me and possibly others, "this forum" means talk.maemo.org in general, not specifically the Community section.

I know that vBulletin uses the terminology that Community is a forum, Multimedia is a forum, Off Topic is a forum etc., and so talk.maemo.org is a collection of forums (plural), but other sites I use would call the entire site a forum (singular), which is then split into "folders" or "sections", and that is the terminology my brain likes to use.

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

I tend to use "forum" for the forum as a whole and "subforum" or "section" for the various... er... sections. :D

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

I agree entirely, it does make me think sometimes when people start calling sections/categories "forums", makes me annoyed :P

Re: Should MeeGo developers continue to publish info on this forum for maemo users (wrt Nokia device support)?
 

AIUI Bada is a pluggable kernel architecture, so yes, can have a Linux core (or at least the Samsung Bada docs claim so).

Okay, so how about oses-and-applications-mostly-related-to-the-nokia-NIT-line-including-but-not-limited-to-Maemo-Harmattan-MeeGo-or-competing-devices-running-derivatives-of-these.org ? I mean, we can go all nitpicky, I just don't see why MeeGo is the place where you draw the line.