Re: N9: It's finally here
 

Not true! Apart from panasonic who was ignoring USB in favour of SD cards till recently (but they hav USB now) almost every other TV from 2008 onward has USB. And if nothing elese, it can be used for viewing photos. Actually, that is why they put them there at first place. MP3 and video support came later and on more expensive models.

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That's all good and true, but I assume the missus does so on their TV's, not at home. That's almost the only reason I use TV out (well, and to play movies when I'm at my mountain hut).

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Guess I will be getting the G2X noq.

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Global scale, people, global scale.

Nismo svi Hrvati :)

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I know, I was just wishing out loud.

Still can't get over those demo videos of Alien Dalvik on the N900...

http://www.myriadgroup.com/~/media/I...24&thn=0&w=220

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

N9 is already appearing on Finnish operators pages. Hopefully that means that the phones are actually coming on sale fast?
http://www.dna.fi/yksityisille/Sivut/Default.aspx
http://saunalahti.fi/n9/

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Doesn't mean much, since it's mostly pre-order and "tell me when available" pages.

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Do you think that it won't be able to deliver hdmi output via a micro usb to hdmi cable like s2? Anybody knows if N9 has mhl?

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http://www.sonera.fi/puhelin+ja+liit...limet/nokia+n9

"Uusi upea Nokia N9 pian täällä!"

"New and gorgeous Nokia N9 is here soon!"

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Sorry maybe somebody already brought this up, but since Android Apps will be working on the N9 by the end of the year...

http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n9-an...lvik-22160809/

Could I safely assume that Adobe flash could work this way as well? Because I know from the Nexus S that you had to download Flash 10.1 from the Android Marketplace, it wasn't pre-installed. Is that considered an app?

Thanks

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

From one comment from a Nokian in http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...-ui-and-specs/ I can see that the non-availability in US, Canada, UK, France, Spain, Italy, Brasil, Mexico, India is confirmed :( and that it will be sold via third-party channels.
I can see the idea behind: not confused consumer in big market between Meego and WP7 coming probably not long after N9 release.

But I feel sad because that really means that the N9 will have not much marketing, not big sales and that will justify the switch to WP7!
Hope that internet buzz will be enough to make bigger sales and to revise Nokia strategy and then to put a bit more towards Meego.

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

can you post the dev's comment?

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i think it is pretty safe to say apple won that battle

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As much as you all hate the N9. If you want to keep MeeGo going, your going to have to buy it and act like it's the best phone you've ever had so other people buy it. Do this and at least Nokia will have something modern to fall back on if NokiaWP crashes and burns.
+ If that does happen, then bye bye Elop.

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

well Nokia is shutting its online stores for most them locations if not all. So makes sense not to be on the reminder list for most of them as 3rd party stores is only way to get Nokia devices in the future any way

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Stop thinking too much into the availability, the N9 is at least a couple of weeks away. And I bet Nokia are still in talks with the operators, UK and US are one of the first markets to get the phones anyway. It's not important, we'll find out in good time.

Anyway the HDMI over micro-USB sounds like a good idea? There is certainly enough bandwidth over USB2.0 to do this - but wether the inherent USB2.0 driver/firmware gets in the way is another issue.

I did however notice that the Nokia pages says 3.5mm AV jack and not just 3.5mm audio jack. Guessing it'll have TV-Out.

I don't use tv-out much so it's not a big deal, but the FM transmitter is definitely a deal breaker!

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

does third party channels include subsidised contracts from T-mobile/O2 etc?

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I know. I know. I think it will take awhile for people to get over the excitement of the product announcement and comprehend the implications of this.

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

been known ages quim stated it many times so not much of a surprise if people read what as been said by people like quim

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I have no idea. The guy just mentioned that the N9 will then be available via third-party channels.
Then my guess is that it means much less subsidy and no effort from Nokia to promote the N9 through the main operators.

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please stop linking to this, it is misinformed garbage

this thing about the n9 not being available in the US is not surprising. i dont think any n-series phones outside of the n8 have been offered as subsidized phones through the carriers. however it does support the same frequencies as the n900 so i am sure buying an unlocked device will be an option.

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And even when they play .mkv's properly they won't be running something as slick as XBMC, which has already been ported to Meego. Making the N9 double as a portable media center would probably be a nice sales demo (they could still develop some sort of docking to achieve that).

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Well, mostly of the Nokia stuff around here come from the 3 main operators stores, anyway. If the "lack of availability" just mean that I'll still need to rely on them to get it, no big deal for me :D

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one thing that is lost in this discussion is the ability to reflash the n9 with another OS (such as stock Meego). this would make the phone much more open, but you would likely lose the UI and any proprietary software. still, it is an option. i guess it is a question of priorities.

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I hope its available on amazon

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Sure, no problem. Lend me the money?

PS. I don't hate the N9, I actually kinda like it - BUT it's not the phone for me, and unless you lend(like Nokia with the N950:)) me the money, I'm not gonna buy it at an inflated price to prove a point that will go unnoticed anyways.

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You are not supposed to support, praise, or spend money on anything you don't like. But please be considerate of the number of people who do like it and would like to talk about it in an amiable and positive environment.

Of course people will voice their opinions if they are disappointed with a product, but some do take it a bit too far. No matter how much the device disappoints you, that doesn't automatically make it a bad product and Nokia full of fail.

It is slightly ironic, that this is probably the one place on the web, where the N9 is creating more negative than positive responses. :) As disappointing as it must be for many of you, it is still a close relative...

And besides, we all know that most of you will get over it in time, just like most of you got over it when Nokia had the audacity to add a hardware keyboard to the NIT, or (the sacrilege!) to actually make it a phone. :)

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

Most likely. At least you can flash your own kernel : http://twitter.com/vivainio/status/83487471903576064


The "TV Out" listed under extra features kinda makes you think so doesn't it :)
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...ifications/N9/

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There's hope:

http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/...free/k/kernel/

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Indeed I understood from the last N900 CE meeting that the CE effort will be ported to N9 and N950 and with a dual-boot!?

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I'm pretty sure the people who created the phone expected such a response from TMO, it's not as if our tastes are not known. I'm almost positive that's one of the reasons (moving away from NIT) why so many in top management at MeeGo left Nokia in the past year.

I find it much more ironic that outside of TMO, especially the big tech sites, this MeeGo phone is getting so much praise, being a Nokia phone.

Considering the ecosystem, and all. Maybe it was even a stroke of genius, giving them something negative (Nokia moving away from MeeGo as the phone is released) to talk about so they could actually praise the phone itself.

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.....

you buy it JUST because its got a Meego sticker on it ?

How is that different from iPhone fanatics buying anything that Steve Jobs shoves down their throat ?

Wrong platform - "brand as religion" devotees head over that way to High Priest Jobs.

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I will actually be MUCH more disturbed if the general response here was NOT negative towards the N9.

TMO services a certain demographic, and if that entire demographic all started liking a product NOT because of its features, but because it has a MEEGO sticker on it, then this will have become an Apple temple.

Obviously some ppl like the phone and its probably right that the majority will like it, but here in this place to expect a general positive reaction "just" because its Meego is assinine.

disclaimer - I dont hate Apple products - I just hate consumers who buy on brand without looking at the underlying product itself.

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Yes

Very

Disclaimer:

My daily non-mobile hardware: All Apple
My daily mobile hardware: Nokia

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

i dont get that sense here at all. people are excited about the n9 because it looks impressive not because of blind fanboyism.

now the other side of the debate (the "FOSS is the only way" and "Linux is God" crowd)... that is another story

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

You're almost certainly exactly right about the marketing bit, and I (and others) agree with you that there is sometimes a lack of perspective of consumer priorities/market forces in TMO.

Now try playing nice... :)

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Honestly, to me, the N9 doesn't look impressive (it does look nice though). The UI yes, the actual phone, well....

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Most manufacturers only do this at 46" and up. My 2008 or 2009 Sony Bravia V series doesn't have USB at all.

The DVD player has USB, but *only* photos, no video.

I have used the N900 to play videos on LCD TVs as well as good old tube TVs. I don't really need HDMI, but it would have been nice.

I assume the N9 will have similar TV-out support as the N900, which is IMHO pretty nice.

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Right now I'm having a problem with the top-right-corner kill boxes not being available as soon as you go to the Open Application home. This long-press thing is going to get old fast. If Nokia doesn't change that, it should be hackable to immediately send it into that mode.

Re: N9: It's finally here
 

As it stands now, the N9 is not certified as a MeeGo compliant device and will not have a MeeGo sticker on it. During the announcement, the only reference was that the N9 was "the outcome of our MeeGo project" or something very similar. Other mentions of MeeGo in the specs are accompanied by "Harmattan."

See also:

http://maemo.org/community/council/c...date-may_2011/

But the N9 still helps the MeeGo project because the press refers to its as a MeeGo phone