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-   -   N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]! (https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74181)

jalyst 2011-10-14 14:15
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by erendorn (Post 1108703)
  • "people working on their free time do work on whatever they fancy (regardless on what they should do, or what is usefull for other people)"
And you don't think I know that? Why would he feel the necessity to point that out?
You honestly think his motive extends no further than pointing out the obvious.

Quote:
followed by
  • "But you can try to convince them to fancy working on the same thing"
I'm not 100% clear on what you're saying in the above sentence, but you get that out of?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoku
Setting goals for others is in the same category.
Talking is cheap. Show me your code. ;P
Quote:
Not sure on the direct attack either, he was "freely expressing his thoughts of the proposal"
This is clearly not wrong, neither OT. Although I really find Smoku's communication skills abysmal
No, he wasn't "freely expressing his thoughts on the proposal"...
He was "casting -unfounded- aspersions" as to the colour and content of my post.
It's not a matter of his communication being abysmal, it's entirely clear what he was doing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by erendorn (Post 1108703)
...your reaction also seemed out of the line for me.
I'd be interested to you see your or ysss's reaction...
If you posted something as prosaic as I did, & got the same response.

Cue 2011-10-14 14:33
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1108716)
No, he wasn't "freely expressing his thoughts on the proposal"...
He was "casting -unfounded- aspersions" as to the colour and content of my post.
It's not a matter of his communication being abysmal, it's entirely clear what he was doing.
seriously, WhoTF cares "who started it". The discussion of who's to blame is becoming worse than the discussion itself. It was a misunderstanding which got a bit hostile but I bet if either of you stopped and asked the other if they meant to be hostile you both would get a resounding "No" and we can all kiss and make up and get along again.

daviss 2011-10-14 14:33
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
just watched a tv news..n tat there r bunch of ppl queuin to be no.1 for 80hrs to buy a deadman's fone..till now i stil cant make out wat those ppl r thnkin..now tat the cult leader is gone,wonder how long the cult survive..sori,offtopic..pls ignore..

scapegoat845 2011-10-14 14:46
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Not sure if this was posted here yet, but i've been keeping an eye on Expansys.....
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78574&page=13

jalyst 2011-10-14 14:47
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1108723)
seriously, WhoTF cares "who started it". The discussion of who's to blame is becoming worse than the discussion itself. It was a misunderstanding which got a bit hostile but I bet if either of you stopped and asked the other if they meant to be hostile you both would get a resounding "No" and we can all kiss and make up and get along again.
I just find it amazing that erendorn & ysss could honestly see it that way.
However..."to each his own". Happy to leave it as is... :)

salman_m 2011-10-14 15:08
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglehelang (Post 1108579)
MYR2088: USD665
16GB is MYR1799: USD575
Will you be able to purchase and send to me in US

jalyst 2011-10-14 15:11
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salman_m (Post 1108737)
Will you be able to purchase and send to me in US
Please post that Qn in this thread:
N9 16/64GB: worldwide availability & pricing

eaglehelang 2011-10-14 15:16
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by salman_m (Post 1108737)
Will you be able to purchase and send to me in US
Shipping costs are expensive, as another forum member said, around USD70+.

Dave999 2011-10-14 15:22
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
who in this thread don’t have a n9?

smegheadz 2011-10-14 15:28
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
this could turn into a "which one of you is spartacus" moment :P

marxian 2011-10-14 15:28
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
Me. But I have the N950. :p

jalyst 2011-10-14 15:40
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
"solemnly raises hand"

Guffaw 2011-10-14 15:44
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
Yes and no. Whyowhy! :(

moepda 2011-10-14 15:46
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
me :( and wont be unless i win the lottery !!! with no uk carrier support and no +/- £600 sim free i like many have got no chance...

will stick N900 until it dies most likely as i sure am not getting WP8 !!

Jedibeeftrix 2011-10-14 15:49
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
me.............. as yet.

N9 on order from Finland, should ship to a friend in the next couple of days, and then on to blighty from there.

JBT

cortek 2011-10-14 15:55
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
I don't either. I am however brushing up on my spanish for the pilgrimage south if need be.

daviss 2011-10-14 16:00
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
me..pity me..hope im lucky enuf to win 1,else it wil b end of the yr..

daviss 2011-10-14 16:07
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by munkiii (Post 1108668)
Has "get_iplayer" been made available for the N9 yet?

I know you need to be root to use it, and the Aegis situation could be a problem.

That alone will decide whether i get the N9 or stick with my N900.
fren,hav a look
forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=8

forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=9

cm6 2011-10-14 16:50
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
Me. I feel like I've been trolled by the N9 Seconds crew... :mad:

So much for being "among the first to get your hands on the N9 once it's available for sale."

salman_m 2011-10-14 16:55
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglehelang (Post 1108749)
Shipping costs are expensive, as another forum member said, around USD70+.
I am ok with shipping costs. Can you email your contact info. salmanmo at hotmail dot com

thx

Zoxir 2011-10-14 17:30
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1108750)
who in this thread don’t have a n9?
I wont havwe it atleast until the 30th of october

Vaskinn 2011-10-14 17:31
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
@Jalyst

Ok. Let me describe to you what I see from my angle:

He summed up in two sentences what you can expect from people, and suggested what you could do if you wanted things done your way.
Not wrapping things in cotton is a common programmer trait. We're used to expressing thing in short concise computer languages with a strict syntax and literal interpretation, and no unnessesary fluff. I guess some of us bring that into our regular language. (Me included)
That guy even littered his post with smilies to "soften" it.

So what can you do?

Using myself as an example: I'm a programmer. When at work I'm paid to program what other people want, and if I want to do stuff my way I have to "sell" the idea to my bosses.
If and when I have the energy to program anything on my spare time you can be sure I'm going to put the effort where I want it. I'll essentially be making my program with a target audience of one.

Asking people to use their time to work on what you think is important, instead of what they want, simply isn't going to work, no matter how politely you do it.

Now there are a few things you as a non-programmer can do the get me to do what you want:
1: Convince me that a program/feature will be useful to me
2: Convince me that a program/feature is "cool" and will increase my status, or some other non.
3: Offer to do the boring parts of the job (that would be the "lead the consolidation effort" bit, among other things)
4: Convince me that it poses an interesting challenge. (Programmers love interesting challenges, try walking up to one and then claim something can't be done)
5: Offer me something in return. N950, Money, Dinner, Beer, Date with your hot sister.
6: Offer to do the boring parts of the job (this is worth repeating, but we may have very different ideas about what is boring)

Now you seem like a passionate guy with a lot of ideas. So if you start up a thread with suggestions for small programs (app is a bad word) that could be cool/useful/interesting I'll be sure to read it. And once I have found time to make a program to fix one tiny annoyance I have with the N9 I might pick one of the suggestions. (And you get to do the marketing if you like ;) cause that's one of the boring parts)

erendorn 2011-10-14 17:48
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
@jaylist
Also remember that for a dev behind a project, asking to merge projects or join effort to a project is an implicit public call for him to drop his project. This hurt sensitivities and lead to defensive answers.
For an example of that, see what happens on TMO when anybody says "let's stop contributing to [MeeGo|Maemo] and focus on [Maemo|MeeGo|Tizen]!".
Consider that when you judge his contribution as hostile and trolling ;)

jalyst 2011-10-14 18:06
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaskinn (Post 1108799)
@Jalyst
He summed up in two sentences what you can expect from people, and suggested what you could do if you wanted things done your way.
Except that isn't what he did at all...
It was a personal attack, plain & simple.
Wrapping it as "programmar speak" doesn't cut it, sorry.
Why do you asume I'm a "non-programmar" right off the bat?

I am not a programmar*, not being a programmar however...
Does not in any way make my ideas/opinions any less valid.
Not being a programmar, does not make me any less intelligent.

When I make a post like that....
It's not done with some kind of expectation that this is what must happen.
It's a benign idea, that doesn't need the kind of interjection that sprung up.

You've made a very well constructed post beyond that though.
So I will keep some of your suggestions in mind.

*I was in a former life, but many years ago, & only for a brief period.
And I do have a experienced & technical (among other fields) background.

mikecomputing 2011-10-14 18:07
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sony123 (Post 1108608)
Sounds like the launch delay was because of hw issue.....

Off topic but I totally agree with Kontorri, I think it would be fantastic to combine Harmattan's swipe ux for home screen/task switcher + WP7's panorama app view....
yeah they had to remove BT4.0 and some other HW and include it to WP instead : @

mikecomputing 2011-10-14 18:09
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1108611)
List of official N9 distribution has been adjusted, Greece cancelled, so you may stop waiting and start importing.

http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/13/mo...-list-updated/

I am getting 64GB N9 from Bangkok soon (cheapest price and found a contact that will carry it in, never mind warranty - I trust Nokia quality and street repair shop skills :p)
yep Microsoft will sponsor Greek with WP phones for free instead ;)

jalyst 2011-10-14 18:10
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by erendorn (Post 1108808)
@jaylist
Also remember that for a dev behind a project, asking to merge projects or join effort to a project is an implicit public call for him to drop his project. This hurt sensitivities and lead to defensive answers.
For an example of that, see what happens on TMO when anybody says "let's stop contributing to [MeeGo|Maemo] and focus on [Maemo|MeeGo|Tizen]!".
Consider that when you judge his contribution as hostile and trolling ;)
That's a good point. I can appreciate that.
If that's what motivated the tone of his response, it would've been good if he was clearer.
I'm not entirely sure if it was though, we'll never know.
Anyway lets get off this.... :)

aironeous 2011-10-14 18:11
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" Originally Posted by smegheadz
with forums there's lots of personalities and people in general believe they are correct. the majority of us will act on here as we do in person (mostly)but there will be people who use these tech forums to feel superior, to outshine someone with their abilities of either technical skills, whit, spelling or ability to quote things that sound clever."


#idonthavethefactstobackthisupbut

This is Elop being congratulated for keeping the N9 out of the US and UK.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/gbbaker/elop.png

BigBadGuber! 2011-10-14 18:17
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Where are the lines for N9, while everywhere people are lining up for iphone 4s????

BigBadGuber! 2011-10-14 18:19
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
forgot the link:

this is how you drum up a product!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/m...html?hpt=hp_c2

Dave999 2011-10-14 18:22
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
True, but not necessarily a better product :)

JohnHughes 2011-10-14 18:50
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grazy (Post 1108632)
Mine did too in the end! the neighbour had it and the postman didnt leave a note!!!

I'm loving it!! :)
you have nice neighbours. I wouldn't trust mine to give me a letter, never mind an N9!

morbid 2011-10-14 18:50
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1108822)
Where are the lines for N9, while everywhere people are lining up for iphone 4s????
Perhaps it's because we, at tmo, are not dumb sheep?

JohnHughes 2011-10-14 18:54
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1108822)
Where are the lines for N9, while everywhere people are lining up for iphone 4s????
Lines, we don't have no steenkin lines, we have EBAY and intercontinental air travel.:)

ysss 2011-10-14 18:55
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
We're trailblazing hermits with logistic issues.

jalyst 2011-10-14 19:09
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
N9's future Sirrah?
http://simon-listens.org/index.php?id=122&L=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfx8qRi6pYQ

jalyst 2011-10-14 19:15
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
You WILL be assimilated :D

Microsoft doles out the dough to Nokia and Samsung, plans Mango marketing bonanza for year's end
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/14/m...g-plans-mango/

mikecomputing 2011-10-14 19:29
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
A bit pissed about the fact that BT4.0 really was a HOAX I really hoped for an update with support for this until I realized wl1273 does NOT support BT 4.0 :(

scapegoat845 2011-10-14 19:32
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1108845)
Wow, Impressive. Pretty fast too. One can hope..

afaq 2011-10-14 19:44
Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
jalyst you deserve an N9 considering how much effort you put into this thread.


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