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actually bt4 is not backward compatible so ship must be dualband.

wl1273 wifi and bt chip has 2.1. so actually there could be a external btchip but i really doubt until prof. one thing is for sure gsmarena and such sites has no clue.

reason i dont beleive in a external bt chip is where is the damn driver lspci do not list any...

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Where's the proof that only wl1273 could be used for BT, & not something else?
And where's the proof that wl1273 definitely cannot support BT4.0?

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First hit at mr. g:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtb...emplateId=6123

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Source:
http://www.qtness.com/blog/?p=58

Now to use Bluetooth High Speed protocol, it has to be using at least BT3.0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetoo...th_v3.0_.2B_HS

I'll get xsacha from whirlpool.net.au...
To see if he can double-check with Nokia Australia senior management once again.


Doesn't demonstrate that wl1273 "can't" support BT4.0.
That just proves that it supports BT2.1 + EDR...
Plus we still don't know for sure that wl1273 is what's used for BT.

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@jalyst
Maybe you should learn how to read BEFORE you post. :p From the link supplied above:
"Supports latest Bluetooth low-energy (Bluetooth 4.0) and Bluetooth 3.0 specifications"

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It's more a case of post before read. semantics.
I was actually about to read it in more depth.
Thanks for ensuring I don't have to. ;)

That doco must've been updated recently*, as I'm quite certain I did that search & looked at it once.
Or at least someone else did, & linked to it...

As I hoped-for/suspected all along....
*EDIT*
But to support BT4.0 the chip must be wl1273l, I think lspci reveals wl1273 right?
Could just simply mean the driver there now, will be replaced w/a more suitable one come PR1.1/2.

*doc edit date doesn't seem to have been updated though.

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Let's compare sales of the two devices and stock prices of the two companies. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm honestly glad that you and that other guy got your N9 preorders.

I hear preorder amounts in like... 20, 30 per store, if not higher. I'm in a smaller city and the preorders for something like Gears of War 3 was over 110. The local Apple store had over 1000 preorders for the iPhone 4S.

That doesn't say that the stores aren't nice or nicer (not sure how the **** that got pulled into the train of thought) or that Nokia doesn't have the stock - apparently they don't have the 64gb in numbers or people wouldn't be repeatedly looking and asking for them - but you're talking about walking into a store and buying a N9.

Try that in America. Or UK. Or Germany. Or France. Or Canada. Or Japan. Or Mongolia.

I'm being far beyond honest with my statements. The distribution of the N9 is as silly and uneven as the idea of lining up overnight around the block for a mass-produced device. But one means high as heck sales, one adds frustration to your purchase convenience.

We'll have this discussion next year when the Nokia WP7 devices have been released. I want to see the sales. The Mango update isn't making a dent in the US sales yet. It's doubtful that Nokia can save WP7 - and no, I didn't make a mistake on this one, it's not the other way around.

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not preorders. the preorders were gone a week before deliverydate to the webstore. this was a physical store i happened to go in to that happened to have gotten the n9 in just moments before i walked in.

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For masses of people in front of stores, you need few things. First, hype. That's crutial part. Without it nothing will happen. Second, you need to tell people when it's going to be available. Apple master this two things. Nokia, well... Neither one of them.

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You still overlooked that you cannot simply walk into any of the aforesaid countries and buy one.

Nor if the N9 sales will come close in their entirety to what the iPhone 4S did on day one. I blame the distribution of the N9... it should have been better.

Oh, and now we hear that the iPhone 4S is the first Bluetooth 4 phone. I was about to call shenanigans on that, but later found out that there will have to be an update on the N9 to go from BT 2.1 + EDR to BT 4, if it's possible (arguments are ongoing in other threads).

Yet another missed marketing opportunity.

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lol why are we discussing lining up for phones? the fvck does that have to do with the price of tea in china? you guys talk about people lining up for phones like it happens all the time. It doesn't. PEOPLE ONLY LINE UP FOR APPLE PHONES. The Samsung Galaxy S 2 is one wildly successful phone. It's sold in the multi millions in a few weeks. People aren't lining up for that sh1t, either.* the point is, people don't ususally line up for cell phones, and when they do, it's quite rare other than apple products. Apple's Reality Distortion Field can convince otherwise thinking and reasoning people that incremental updates to hardware and a sexy version on bonzi buddy are worth waiting 9 days(!) in line for.**

*except for the few people in Australia trying to get one for 2 dollars at that crazy sale.
**those same folks will be lined up for the iPhone 5 next year, too.

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Then why the **** aren't we talking about sales numbers. Real, hard mother****ing numbers.

Let's see them. Sprint, AT&T, Verizon all are touting "best numbers" for a device. Samsung talks about their Galaxy S II sale numbers.

Nokia? Dead silent.

What part of that equation is so damn hard to understand? Everybody else is talking about sales, Nokia is talking about what's supposed to come. And it's on an OS that doesn't have a foothold in the US, the land of its origin.

Lining up = sales

Marketing is so misunderstood by you people here. Mainly because they don't market to people like us... geeks champion some of the stupidest things because it makes sense to them.

But in this case, cold hard numbers will showcase which is selling the best. And that's what I'm equating lining up to. Sales.

Say it with me... mother****ing sales. Not debates on which OS or UI or app market or screen or SoC or CPU or GPU or <insert whatever you want>... but distribution channels, marketing and sales.

The things that actually keep a company up and running. Sales.

In fact... I'm not discussing much more than my quest to obtain 30 or so N9's - I've had 7 people drop out of wanting a N9, just tired of the "wait and see/hope" situation if you're in North America to obtain one - but I'm focusing in on numbers.

WP7, Nokia N9, iPhone 4S, Samsung Galaxy S II, et al. Sales. The rest can enjoy this masturbatory conversation about what's the best - it really produces nothing, doesn't even affect the company's bottom line.

Straight mother****ing sales numbers... that's a fact that is sorely missing from this thread.

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They told me end of november on the phone...

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Sales figures ? They didnt make enough units to sell like Iphone or Samsung, it's not mass production.
It's 'limited availability', regardless what gsmarena said, means limited edition.
Means it's not intended to sell a lot, due to Mr Elop.:mad:
But the Nokia staff seem very enthusiastic about it.

You want one? Oh sorry, sold out, there's only 200 units. Or 100 units. N9 is the only Nokia model positioned that way, as in 'get it before it runs out'

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I don't recall one single model of Nokia released phones that they quoted a number of units sold. All I can find are speculations.

Has anyone any numbers? Heard of someone who had some?

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You obviously have no interest in the N9 and what it represents, so why are you here?

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Gerbick, unless you own stock on these companies, why the fvck do you care how much they've sold? Speaking on behalf of myself, I don't give two sh1ts about how much a phone (or any other product I use) sells. These companies don't care about you or me or anyone like you and me. They will just as soon screw you over as they would sell you something. And a lot of time the two go hand in hand. You wanna know why these companies won't shut the fvck up about how much they've sold? Because it's a dick measuring competition and whoever has the biggest dick has the biggest share price. I don't care if I'm the only N9 owner to ever live. I don't care if I'm one of the "next billion" N9 owners either. I just want a device that fits my needs. If that device happens to be the wildly successful iPhone, so be it. If that devices happens to be the motherfvcking BANANA PHONE, so fvcking be it. I'd buy a god damn RAZR if it did what I wanted.

I understand your frustration, I do. But do you, as an owner of several Nokia Internet Tablets REALLY care about sales? I suspect you don't. But don't fool yourself into thinking this is about sales or lining up or anything like that.. We all knew what we were getting into once they announced the N9 wouldn't be available in most of the world. We're playing the import game and most of us are losing. At one point I actually cooked up the idea that Nokia was actually slowing production intentionally. Then I realised I was getting too involved. But enough of this bollocks, buy what you want. I'm getting an N9 and it's (MF) DOOMed OS. Sales numbers are for shareholders and tech "journalists"

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Btw, did you end up asking your contact to get it for you from Msia? Successful? If your contact going to Spore, it's just released today, cost slightly higher, due to exchange rates & maybe taxes thingy.

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I decided to wait a bit to see if prices fall. It was a good price, but he was being slow in respondingto me so I decided to just give it some time.

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What... the...
Actually, it is not so bad for me. I go for my 8-month army stint in a week, and I hope to be able to save some money (as I will live on taxpayer money) to buy one come December. But end of November for one of the largest greek stores? What was Nokia's distribution strategy again?

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OMG. You sissypants, you came here for consolation?
This is just pathetic... Grow up some balls.

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Oh man,,,, when did you ask? After I preordered some dude called me and he said they should have it at the end of the month.

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More sells => More users => More Developers interested.

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@unfuccwittable

put in slightly less disney channel way i usually say it but same meaning.

arguing about sales numbers and fanatics etc doesn't change a thing. getting too involved just leads to either frustration or distraction. it's like how i hear people talking about why a player did this or that and how they are feeling and what their thinking etc when watching a match. it's pointless and makes no sense as putting yourself in that situation you'd know they were talking bollocks. so trying to explain the reasons behind no lines or why they dropped maemo or why this or why they didn't use this chip etc is pointless.

i went and did a challange run through muck and **** and ditches, **** etc. this story has nothing to do with the N9 but it's just as relevant as most of the posts on this thread.

its a phone not a new kidney.

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Anybody that ever thought MeeGo had a chance at becoming even the number 5 OS is smoking some good sh1t. Keep that sh1t 100, none of us expected MeeGo to do anything, really.

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It stopped with the N95, it seems. The 5800 initial sales - and they were quite massive in like the first month or two - were also stated early on.

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I own Nokia stock. I own Microsoft stock.

And I also like facts. What's so hard to understand?

Here, I agree 100%.

Actually I do care about sales. It tends to lead to further development and sales. I honestly think that the Harmattan team deserves to be given a fair chance to develop this UI into something further.

I don't disagree with most of what else you said. But I fear that you've not taken the time to understand my stance.

I speak about sales as a validation tool for two things - not to counter the iPhone 4S sales, Apple is having it's heyday right now. That ebbs and flows between whomever is popular. Give it another couple of years, it'll be somebody else. But for a long-term strategy, I don't see how WP7 fits Nokia. I can see how Symbian did fit them, got them quite a bit of traction actually.

And just imagine having something that was once ahead of the game, like Maemo and Qt, and letting it languish because you lack the foresight, then you have to fall back on the facts. Not opinions of how Qt is the "best ever" or how the "N900 is the best ever" - no. Those are opinions. But what if you fell back to stats of sales figures that look impressive enough to continue funding.

You cannot argue results. You cannot dispute facts.

That's the takeaway. Nothing else stated really matters. I'll argue specs all day with you. I might even know a couple of things about what I'm talking about (not likely) - but if I hear that "Device X" sold 3 million in 1 month, even my peanut sized brain knows that's a helluva lot of devices and that will mean that my gadget of choice will receive an update to either software or hardware.

Facts in this case would be beneficial. Opinions are standard fare around these parts.

Bonus points for using MF DOOM in a reference.

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Shut up. Adults are talking.

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Only if you're comparing which one sold the most. I'm not doing that.

Look above at what I stated. I'm not even asking for sales numbers to bolster any argument I would have.

Rather see the sales go hand-in-hand to getting more work out of the Harmattan team. As it stands, it's the only path that Nokia has that makes sense to me. WP7 doesn't - and I own a WP7 device.

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= bigger community

= more longevity of said device

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As far as I know, Nokia has never ever given out sales numbers for a specific device. That policy also prevents them from touting the numbers like the others are doing.

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I have great interest <removed>. Otherwise how would I know how much it costs, where I could get it from if I had more money than sense, how unsupported and dead it is going to be.

How would I know all these things if I "wasn't interested"?

Of course I'm interested. I'm also hideously disappointed. Next smart arse remark please.......

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How did I forget the community! Thanks for the reminder indeed.

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i'd love to see the same road as you. but i know it's not going to happen. to you it makes sense, to the heads of nokia it doesn't. unless we know their plan we won't know why it does. we lack all the pieces of the puzzle to figure it out. maybe in 2 years time we'll have more or all the pieces to understand the choice they made earlier this year.

i'd rather see people here put their efforts towards constructive things then destructive. i think it's time we stopped using this thread and use/make new ones on what we want to discuss.

Edit:
i know your point originally is nokia need the same enthusiasm with their userbase as apple do. would you really want those people on this forum though?

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In the Nokia quarterly reports - I'm searching for 2007 and earlier - they used to have highlights of their sales.

Weird how Wikipedia has "numbers" - not saying they're actual, but they support what Symbian-Freak and the Nokia quarterly reports happen to say.

And Nokia took to Twitter for the 5800 announcement of sales.

Nokia has done it in the past. Sadly I'm not finding it right now.

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BT4? Really, source? Cheers.

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Obligatory Engadget link... and screenshot from Apple.com

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It was just highlighting what some others had pointed-out about the attitude of some devs.
I was always skeptical about it...
But some others have since pointed-out, how I coud've misunderstood what you were saying.
Perhaps you were just trying to be helpful, right?

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Bummer.
Poo, pissy, poo, pooo

Good Night.

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Does that mean it just landed in the US? Isn't Jersey their main location for international shipments?