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smegheadz 2011-10-15 18:39

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1109272)
Bummer.
Poo, pissy, poo, pooo

Good Night.

read it carefully, it's the first bt4 ready smartphone device to hit the market. doesn't mean the first to have it. but it's beside the point. it's how they market it that makes the difference. and by 'it' i mean the phone.

Hakki_01 2011-10-15 18:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1109264)
Obligatory Engadget link... and screenshot from Apple.com

Who cares.. BT on iPhone sucks! you can't send pictures/files unless other iphone users have the same app. not worth talking about it;)

Soppa 2011-10-15 18:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smegheadz (Post 1109280)
read it carefully, it's the first bt4 ready smartphone device to hit the market. doesn't mean the first to have it. but it's beside the point. it's how they market it that makes the difference. and by 'it' i mean the phone.

I don't really see what's the fuss about the different bt versions, and how it could be a huge marketing opportunity etc.

To me other features are much more important, and I'd expect this to hold true with the majority of users seeking to buy a new smartphone. I might be mistaken of course, and I'm not saying that it doesn't matter; it's just not that huge of a deal IMHO as these endless bt4 vs. bt2.1 discussions are making it seem.

jalyst 2011-10-15 19:08

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1109132)
It's more a case of post before read. semantics.
I was actually about to read it in more depth.
Thanks for ensuring I don't have to. ;)

That doco must've been updated recently*, as I'm quite certain I did that search & looked at it once.
Or at least someone else did, & linked to it...

As I hoped-for/suspected all along....
*EDIT*
But to support BT4.0 the chip must be wl1273l, I think lspci reveals wl1273 right?
Could just simply mean the driver there now, will be replaced w/a more suitable one come PR1.1/2.

*doc edit date doesn't seem to have been updated though.

Have asked xsacha to double-check with Nokia Australia management
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...096&p=57#r1125
Not sure if he'll be able to help, but he seemed to have good contacts last time.
Okay def. good night..... :D

Interesting comparo between GSII browser & N9's, & their image galleries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGFb0Kgx20

gerbick 2011-10-15 19:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakki_01 (Post 1109284)
Who cares.. BT on iPhone sucks! you can't send pictures/files unless other iphone users have the same app. not worth talking about it;)

Can't do it in WP7 either. But being the "first" in anything equates to marketing to folks that know too little.

gerbick 2011-10-15 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smegheadz (Post 1109252)
i know your point originally is nokia need the same enthusiasm with their userbase as apple do. would you really want those people on this forum though?

I can add those folks to the ignore list easily.

Dave999 2011-10-15 19:40

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What are you trolling about today guys?

qwazix 2011-10-15 20:25

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1109231)
Oh man,,,, when did you ask? After I preordered some dude called me and he said they should have it at the end of the month.

Can't remember, it was about a week or two ago. The price was stil 699 though for the 64GB

Quote:

But end of November for one of the largest greek stores?
And the only one to have it on for preorder as far as I know. Also the only (major) one whose salespeople do have a clue. In operators stores I got either "I know nothing", that you-dont-know-what-you-are-talking-about look or "you must mean N8"

qwazix 2011-10-15 20:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 1109241)
= bigger community

= more longevity of said device

The N95 reportedly sold 10million units in the first year (enormous number back then)

But there was never any community support, scarcely new features backported from later symbian releases (by the community, nokia continued support long enough) and no custom roms ever released. Compare this with the N900. CSSU, Nitdroid, MeeGo CE, Kubuntu mobile, debian, shr, backtrack and the list goes on... The community supprort is tied not to the total number of sales, but to the actual number of developers that buy it, (if it's a geek device the proportion of devs - power users that have something to contribute is way bigger so actual sales can be less). Anyway I wouldn't want to have the only N900 in the world, but I wouldn't be more content if everybody had one either.

BigBadGuber! 2011-10-15 20:56

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Perhaps the 100,000 number is real..........letting everyone interested in a phantom phone for very few to pave way for the main show: NOKIA windows phone

BigBadGuber! 2011-10-15 21:19

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for all you price conscious geeks there is a tablet for $35!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-15302663

Zoxir 2011-10-15 22:21

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1109328)
Can't remember, it was about a week or two ago. The price was stil 699 though for the 64GB



And the only one to have it on for preorder as far as I know. Also the only (major) one whose salespeople do have a clue. In operators stores I got either "I know nothing", that you-dont-know-what-you-are-talking-about look or "you must mean N8"

I didn't know they had it for so long on their site. I just moved and had no internet access(the horror).

And lol at you asking at operators stores. It pisses me off at their we know you're a ****** so we're gonna fvck you over attitude.

On my way to work there's a Nokia Care I have been meaning to ask there but never had the time (I'm always late :D )

mikecomputing 2011-10-15 22:43

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about bt4 cant qoute cause webkit
textbox bug.

but I still dont beleive n9 has bt4 hw.
to ge bt4 support the chip needs to support dualmode cause 4.0 is not backward compatible.

personally i dont give a **** what a local nokia salesperson may had said. i want facts from an engineer who can confirm there is another chip besides wl1273. the only thing we are sure about atm is that driver atm i using wl1273 and nokias specs today says 2.1 everything else is still hopes and/or rumors.

some engineer did actually say there where flashsupport but as we know that ended to be wrong atleast for the released devices. it could be similar with bt4... remember that nokia.is in bed with microsoft now....

afaq 2011-10-15 22:46

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Just got back from Stratford Westfields, London. Usually I'd be all excited and giddy like a school girl when I see phone stores but not anymore. The largest mall in Europe has zero Nokia presence. A little sad but it is what Nokia made it.

qwazix 2011-10-15 23:11

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1109362)
I didn't know they had it for so long on their site. I just moved and had no internet access(the horror).

And lol at you asking at operators stores. It pisses me off at their we know you're a ****** so we're gonna fvck you over attitude.

On my way to work there's a Nokia Care I have been meaning to ask there but never had the time (I'm always late :D )

Yes it was, in fact if you go back enough on this thread somebody posted the link. I was all excited until I saw that coming soon label. I did ask at operator stores (I know, I know...) as well as at Public and 2 Multirama stores.

danramos 2011-10-16 10:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1109299)
What are you trolling about today guys?

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/82648-2...aper_throw.gif

jalyst 2011-10-16 12:18

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1109365)
but I still dont beleive n9 has bt4 hw.
to ge bt4 support the chip needs to support dualmode cause 4.0 is not backward compatible.
personally i dont give a **** what a local nokia salesperson may had said. i want facts from an engineer who can confirm there is another chip besides wl1273. the only thing we are sure about atm is that driver atm i using wl1273 and nokias specs today says 2.1 everything else is still hopes and/or rumors.

And how do you know for sure that the chip isn't wl1273l?
lspci isn't necessarily the gospel in that regard...
It wasn't a "Nokia local sales person" as you put it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1109290)
Have asked xsacha to double-check with Nokia Australia management
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...096&p=57#r1125
Not sure if he'll be able to help, but he seemed to have good contacts last time.

It was the product/tech marketing manager, but yes it "sounds" like it's not so concrete.
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...096&p=57#r1130

Dave999 2011-10-16 12:19

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
How is the sound(voice) during navigation? Not very nice on my device...not as clear as sygic n900 voice.

jalyst 2011-10-16 12:25

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1109463)

I love Chuck. No really.

smegheadz 2011-10-16 15:23

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1109487)
How is the sound(voice) during navigation? Not very nice on my device...not as clear as sygic n900 voice.

i didn't think chuck norris would take directions :P

daviss 2011-10-16 15:31

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anyone wif n9 can answer on:
is the built-in joikuspot workin smoothly?i tether alot..
does the stockbrowser able to run sites like in logmein.com for remote desktop?
Thx if u able to provide me the above..

giorgosmit 2011-10-16 16:17

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1109328)
In operators stores I got either "I know nothing", that you-dont-know-what-you-are-talking-about look or "you must mean N8"

I know what you mean. I spent some very confused minutes in Cosmote, trying to make the salesguy understand what I meant. He gradually understood, after we eliminated the possibility that I mean the N8, N900, and (bizarelly, he was acquainted with it) the N800.

zaoltryence 2011-10-16 17:19

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I just got my n9! Woohoo.. now its time to fiddle around :)

zapotek 2011-10-16 17:21

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unsta...es_v1_0_en.txt look at the default desktop view in portrait the extra 16px


The default desktop view is now portrait. To start the desktop
in landscape "meego-sb-session start landscape" command has to
be used.
The recommended command line to start Xephyr is:
"Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 480x854x16 -dpi 96 -ac
-extension Composite &"

marrat 2011-10-16 17:25

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daviss (Post 1109545)
anyone wif n9 can answer on:
is the built-in joikuspot workin smoothly?i tether alot..
does the stockbrowser able to run sites like in logmein.com for remote desktop?
Thx if u able to provide me the above..

The tethering is working fine, needed it yesterday for logging into corporate VPN because of on-call support. My ThinkPad R400 took the provided WiFi without any issues.

About logmein.com, the browser can open the site, but that`s all I could test, cause I don`t have an account for that.

scapegoat845 2011-10-16 20:48

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Interesting answers to Konttori's latest blog post. Improved wifi reception in PR1.1, folders support to home screen coming in PR1.2....

http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.co...few-other.html

jalyst 2011-10-16 20:52

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^
Damn was hoping PR1.1 but I guess it'll be mostly bug-fixes & performance twks.
Oh well, better than never ever coming...

babraq 2011-10-16 21:06

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1109651)
^
Damn was hoping PR1.1 but I guess it'll be mostly bug-fixes & performance twks.
Oh well, better than never ever coming...

As Konttori said, due to delay of the N9's launch, PR1.1 should be ready, so 1.2 is before us within few months.

scapegoat845 2011-10-16 21:06

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1109651)
^
Damn was hoping PR1.1 but I guess it'll be mostly bug-fixes & performance twks.
Oh well, better than never ever coming...

I think them answers just locked in my decision. It's mine...

Zoxir 2011-10-16 21:09

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1109374)
Yes it was, in fact if you go back enough on this thread somebody posted the link. I was all excited until I saw that coming soon label. I did ask at operator stores (I know, I know...) as well as at Public and 2 Multirama stores.

You're a brave guy. What did the iphone lovers at public tell you???? I've checked their site and the N9 is not there.

aironeous 2011-10-16 22:21

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Well this is what my USPS tracking says

Processed through USPS Sort Facility
October 16, 2011, 2:31 am
SANTA CLARITA, CA 91383
International Letter

So that was today Sunday and that's about 60 miles away from me and I have to leave tomorrow for the Philippines by 4pm
This is cutting it close.

qwazix 2011-10-16 22:27

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by giorgosmit (Post 1109562)
I know what you mean. I spent some very confused minutes in Cosmote, trying to make the salesguy understand what I meant. He gradually understood, after we eliminated the possibility that I mean the N8, N900, and (bizarelly, he was acquainted with it) the N800.

I've got a picture of the N9 in the gallery so that I can avoid those conversations.
An even funnier moment was last year when I wanted a second N900 and I went to vodafone to ask if they'd got one. The salesperson took that Nokia's-have-two-numbers-you-idiot face when I took the N900 out of my pocket. He clearly had never seen one, and he was a bit curious but he didn't dare to ask to have a look it. I walked out smiling :)

qwazix 2011-10-16 22:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoxir (Post 1109658)
You're a brave guy. What did the iphone lovers at public tell you???? I've checked their site and the N9 is not there.

They told me they did not know when it's coming but I believe they had never heard of the phone. I don't trust them anyway, they had been telling me they'd have the Nexus One for sale which was never the case, they had it there as a teaser only.

Zoxir 2011-10-16 23:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1109681)
They told me they did not know when it's coming but I believe they had never heard of the phone. I don't trust them anyway, they had been telling me they'd have the Nexus One for sale which was never the case, they had it there as a teaser only.

Stupid Nokia. It shouldn't be this hard to buy a god damn cell phone seriously lol. I really really hope plaisio actualy gets it at the end of the month as they say on their site

phatman2600 2011-10-17 01:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1109676)
Well this is what my USPS tracking says

Processed through USPS Sort Facility
October 16, 2011, 2:31 am
SANTA CLARITA, CA 91383
International Letter

So that was today Sunday and that's about 60 miles away from me and I have to leave tomorrow for the Philippines by 4pm
This is cutting it close.

I hope you get yours by tomorrow. Mine still says it is in NJ :( Maybe it hasn't been updated? Mine should be heading your same direction, because i'm about 80 miles away from Santa Clarita.

mikecomputing 2011-10-17 01:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1109651)
^
Damn was hoping PR1.1 but I guess it'll be mostly bug-fixes & performance twks.
Oh well, better than never ever coming...

actually its great to see bugfixes is high on the list. current release has many stupid issues. Kinda.scary he didnt answer my question about textbox bug. really hope this is fixed in pr1.1

aironeous 2011-10-17 02:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1109710)
actually its great to see bugfixes is high on the list. current release has many stupid issues. Kinda.scary he didnt answer my question about textbox bug. really hope this is fixed in pr1.1

You can look at the daily commits here to see what is going to be fixed and what has been fixed.

http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouc...commits/master

For example here is one for pr 1.2
http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouc...426dea9c4a22ea

BigBadGuber! 2011-10-17 02:12

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
I am trying to procure one from Dubai. Will see what happens

buchanmilne 2011-10-17 07:17

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1108997)
I'm not lending BigBadGuber! a hand here... but I'll be honest. His one comment has merit... people were actually lined up for the iPhone 4S. No people were lined up - at least not reported - for the Nokia N9.

Well, I don't think people line up for any other company's products (except possibly the reputed limited Galaxy SII $2 sale at a Samsung store which is directly opposite an Apple store for the days leading up to the iPhone 4S release).

This is something Apple does very well, a coordinated global release within days of an announcement showing good innovations, with the start of sale date announced during the announcement.

If on 21 June Nokia had announced that sales start on 28 June worldwide, and listed the retail shops that would have stock on their web site, I am sure you would have seen people line up.

And if Feb 11 had announced that Symbian was being phased out in favour of Meego, with Ovi/Nokia Store only accepting apps in Qt that build on Meego, I think they could have built an ecosystem bigger than WP7, especially if they had followed N9 up with larger tablet within a few months.

(In South Africa, the most innovative bank in terms of support for new technologies has been launching banking apps for various platforms over the last few months, starting with iOS, Android, BlackBerry, and now Nokia (I guess Symbian) - so far no WP7 ...)

In the end, IMHO, it's not the 'ecosystem' that was the problem, there were many more factors at play in Nokia not being that successful recently. And, if they aren't addressing the other factors, I doubt the 'ecosystem' 'advantages' of WP7 will allow them to recover market share.

slai 2011-10-17 07:32

Re: N9 [Shipping]: It's finally here [for some]!
 
Maybe with the troubles of the past their WP launch will be smoother.

Then again, Im quite sure that when I change from Maemo6 I will probably go for WP, and if I go for WP why wouldnt I go with Nokias phones if they are up to par HW-wise . I guess time will tell. Im hoping for some carl zeiss action, etc.

But that has little to do with the N9. So to on-topic myself: they need to look at my bug reports and fix both of them asap.

Also: cant wait for the update, seems like its going to be a lot of "never mind the man behind the curtain" stuff, which is great!


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