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YES, I belive in upgrades...beyond the specs. That is why I have alot of useless toys :)

You do not always upgrade because of specs, do you?

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Elop wants to kick Maemo/MeeGo consumers square in the...

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...eve-Ba-007.jpg

Balmer seems impressed.

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when I said another device I meant something like a psp. so the N900 is so close, the N9 should be able to do it. but should and will are two different things.

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@danramos: The funniest thing I read all day. I wish I could give you more than one thanks :D

And, in quite a depressing tweet exchange, Chanse Arrington pretty much spelled out that Harmattan support won't be any better than Maemo. I knew already in my heart of hearts, but it does not do a lad good to hear things like that.

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Fire him!

Read his messages. HE must be working for WP7 @ nokia. What is he doing...is he a joke or for real?

http://twitter.com/#!/chansearrington

Hope he stays in america. We dont want him!

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No... that was always referring to the canned N9 (now called n950).*
Nokia wants to sell as many N9's as they can, & they want to sell even more WP7's, of course they do.

*& it was just Eldars magic crystal ball talk anyway, 90% of which is throwing **** at the wall, & hoping it sticks.
Of course he could've easily shifted his story by now, allocating that no. to the N9 instead.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least... the guy's on drugs...

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Thanks, man. Be careful, though, you're just provoking me to do it more. :P

Alright alright... quick poll, who would you all like to see fired next?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/.../Nokia-005.jpg

Wow... that guy answered pretty quickly. :)
Aw well.

http://static.unplugged.rcrwireless....ig-300x225.jpg

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@Dave: Well, his profile says dev marketing head honcho, a presumably OS-agnostic job. I think that he was also working at Nokia before Elop started his stint.

Even if he is officially required to be biased towards WP7, he can't be fired when he merely follows the path so gloriously laid by the CEO.

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@danramos: Nah, the guy at the back is simply ready to execute the ancient Helsinkian martial maneuvre of lethal-poke-in-the-ear. He is such a maestro that he can do it without looking.

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@danramos: I don't quite understand how the exact size of Elop's jugs after the sex change will protect him from the Helsinkian Poke In The Ear.

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OK, stopping this game now. I could do this all day, but the others will probably start throwing some quite heavy and/or squishy stuff at us for hijacking the thread :p

A craption-like thread (like cracked's) would be quite fun at this point with the strong sentiments in the forum right now...

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As you can see from the post you've quoted, I owned a Galaxy S - got it from my company for free as we were developing some Android libraries, otherwise I'd hardly buy Android device. And I used iPhone 3GS for a couple of months but color me entirely unimpressed.

I'm not acting blind, and I'm not claiming by any means that 3rd party application availability is not an important thing to consider when obtaining a device (especially if you're not a developer or tinkerer), but claiming that some OS is a failure because it doesn't have n number of apps, or some specific app is a bit too much. In that sense I do find the whole app story - heavily overblown.

I've been using smartphones since the first days of Symbian, and when I look back, I've purchased at most 30-40 3rd party apps (collectively, for all smartphone platforms I've used) during all those years. And most of those weren't actually adding some new functionality - they just made the everyday tasks easier to perform than the `built-in` functionality or the functionality obtainable through free apps. Thus, I haven't yet found what's so appealing in a huge base of mostly completely pointless apps.

Then again, I am a developer, when I need something badly, if it's not already implemented, I sit down and write it myself. Well, most of the time I do it anyway, even if it's available, professional pride doesn't let me to pay for simple apps that I can write myself better :D ... And given that I mostly use my smartphone(s) for either surfing or having it run/check/track/whatever servers, apps, solutions and so on, that my company is keeping on their servers - both, the Maemo and MeeGo are almost a match made in heaven for me - now I don't even need to write separate frontends, with extremely simple porting I can run all the existing work-related app base right on my phone. N900 literally replaced my MBP.


As I've said, YMMV, personally I can't see why would anyone use Whatsapp when you have literally every popular IM supported right out of the box (or with a simple plugin installation) on the N900 (and the same goes for the N9 as well) - and not only supported, but implemented the best way I've yet seen on any smartphone platform. And there are IM clients for popular networks on other platforms as well so it's not as Whatsapp is the only way to communicate cross-device. Viber can't even hold a candle to Skype and Fring, both of which are available for the N900, with former having the best implementation on a mobile device yet seen. As for Kakaotalk, haven't used it or heard for it, but I'm guessing it wouldn't be hard to implement within the Telepathy stack unless it's proprietary...

There are certainly some apps and some use cases where N900 lacks, I just can't find any that would matter to me (and I'll go as far as to claim that it's the same case for the majority of users) - unless the point is reinventing the wheel for the sake of it as is the case for the aforementioned apps. I'm willing to bet that for the most users and use cases, on average, N9 would fare equally to the iPhone or any Android device, with or without a huge apps base - there are some areas where the N9 would shine (SN/IM/VoIP integration, media promiscuity, camera), and some areas where the iPhone would shine (games, Apple services, adapted media/interactive content), and... but on average, the most users will most of the time do the exact same things on any of those platforms without even considering the huge apps portfolio, or lack of it in the N9's case.

I don't think that the ~5% consumers with some specific need have the power to determine which platform will live and which platform will die. I for one could never use the iOS platform as it doesn't meet my specific needs, but those are quite `exotic` needs that most people can live without otherwise iOS would be a dead platform. Same goes for the N9 - I'm really trying to find out what is it lacking so much that a regular user cannot use it for the very same things he's doing on the competing platforms. Apps catalog certainly isn't the most determining factor in that equation.


Truth to be told, it took quite a while for the iPhone to get Chinese/Korean/Japanese input (at least via a 3rd party KB), and WP7 still doesn't support it (not at least without a 3rd party for which you also need to request other devs), and Android is not actually quite shiny in that department... While very important, especially considering Nokia's target markets (or at least those used to be in the top 10), I don't think that CKJ input support is a feature that makes-or-brakes a platform as well.


Ugh, I never was a good with audio-processing development (tho I did write a very basic t2s engine purely as a practice), so I'll have to skip that one, but there's an idea for somebody's coding competition entry (or a mean of revenue should he/she decide to pursue that goal) - if done properly, it would certainly be a success, especially now when Qt will be going down to s40 devices as well - no dumbphone has good s2t implementation apart from the basic voice navigation.


That certainly. Once again, I'm not saying that popularity of some platform, or the apps available for it, is not important - the problem is with people who are using that fact as an argument that a device is practically useless (zombie OS, dead-on-arrival, useless piece of junk, you name it...) if it doesn't have gazillion of apps. In that sense, apps availability is pretty much overblown, after all what percentage of any smartphone `group` is actually using it to make money and require an app of similar type as the one you've described?


In the bright, glorious future we're heading for, you'll probably need one, least you want to pay environmental taxes for gas release to the environment :p


You can rearrange application icons in the menu so you can put your frequently accessed apps on top thus you won't need to scroll + there will be `foldering` support added. With a grid of 24 icons - I highly doubt you use that much widget shortcuts.

Also, you can `fav` some of your contacts that will always appear on top of the contacts list in the phone app. Granted, with contacts shortcut on the desktop it's more elegant but it's not as if that would seriously hinder the usability. Even the live views of some apps presented as widgets (OMWeather for example) have an alternative - they can display in the notifications panel, or they can be seen in live app grid, so widgets won't be that much missed in that case as well.

What I find the most troublesome with the lack of deskto(p)/widgets are the control widgets (i.e. Media Player) because even tho you can display it on the multitasking view, you still can't interact with it without focusing the app, making the process longer and tedious. We need an UI/UX guru to figure a replacement for that one...


... out of a cannon... into the sun...

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http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/im...0421093301.jpg
Ok, ok, I'm done. Maybe. :)

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Done? You are on fire,Dan

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Hey, check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsmDv...&feature=share

Dev mode with root (and "terminal mode", I guess this is the vaunted [$_] button) and the ability to install from repos is just two toggles away in the settings menu.

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That is something that I got a lot of questions about last week, and it would be really useful.

thx

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update FMRXTX:

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3598&page=31

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Yes Elop shot the family dog (Symbian), Eloped with the rich dumb blond girl at the end of the block (Microsoft) and handed his car keys to the cool guy across the street that everyone likes (Meego) and said "I'll be back."

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On the right current basketball coach and microsoft evangelist Mr. Ballmer
On the left former IHOP chef and former Hilton Hotel bell boy Mr. Elop demonstrating in gesture what's going to happen to your open OS.

What you don't see is off the screen there are two men holding up a large transparent screen in front of them that filters out the images of the angels and devils sitting on their shoulders. Apparently they've both given in to the devils side.

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Buttons? I don't need no stinking buttons! You see all these fingers I got - I want multi-touch. When I multi touch it, it should multi touch me back. See how I'm all fingerly? Look at em, they're all touchy feely and moving around.

We want our phones to disrupt the user, it should be disruptive. Whether it be disrupting your 401k with falling Nokia stock prices, disrupting your meetings with a phone that freaks out because it has a virus or even disrupting your sleep. Yes that's right we want our phones to crawl up your chest and gently slide open your eye lids to wake you up like momma used to do for me.
It's all about the hands on disruptions that's what were focused on.


[Pssst this is a joke it's not a real quote, I just don't like Elop]

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pssst this is not a real quote I just don't like these wonder twins

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Alright enough wit the pictures.... What is this, facebook ?

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Until you see Elop in Speedos, I'd safely assume it's not Facebook.

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I would imagine media controls would/ could be on the notifications pane, at the top when active.

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I was thinking in a broad sense, not just the Media Player widget but other controlling widgets - interactive widgets that are not there only to show some data or launch some app - as well. The notifications/events panel would get pretty crowded pretty fast if we are to push all the possible `controllers` there.

I take it that there is no better way than multiple desktops with widgets for that particular problem, but the question is - are we willing to forgo those? Of course, if some UI/UX genius can come up with a better solution, I'd bet the guys from the `swipe` team would be willing to listen.

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How about in the pull-down status bar ? It's available everywhere or quicklaunch bar with one row for mediacontrol

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On the same page there is information that categories (not even private entries) are still not supported by the calendar. ARGH. This is the single one thing that disturbs me each and every day with N900. "Private calendars on device" are just useless for this purpose (because you can't sync them to shared calendar). :mad:

I bet that the calendar database on N9 still has the possibility to handle the private entries like the N900 one has but you still just miss the frontend to set the private tag because the designer decided that it would be "confusing" or "overkill" or something like that. :rolleyes:

Ah, screw it. I will get one N9 anyway. And maybe one for the wife too.

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Final update FMRXTX :(
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23761#post23761

Assuming this guy's giving us the right info. :confused:
I imagine he's in direct contact with devs/engineers knowledgeable in that area.

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too bad :(

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This doesn't mean devices shouldn't be supported for more than 2 years, as ensuring it is current for more than 2 years would ensure better resale value, which would provide better motivation for people to buy (if there ever are) newer versions.

This is something Apple has done, but Nokia seems to not have realised yet.

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checkout the huge gallery of screenshots of N9 UI http://mobilesguruji.co.cc/2011/06/2...w-n9s-meego-os

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hmm what to think with this one ? ^^

http://mobilesguruji.co.cc/wp-conten...iew-huge-4.png

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Since the N9 has no keyboard you don't have a screenshot shortcut, hence the Screenshot app takes uses a timer in order to take a screenshot. To get the above result you just need to gauge the time precisely and then use the pinch gesture to move from 3x3 to 2x2 grid of apps, or vice versa, and capture the transition phase for that 'weirdness'...

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That looks like a screenshot taken during the animation where the thumbnails in the multitasking view rearrange themselves when one app is closed

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haha thanks, I would've been lost without you :D

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10 sesame street characters.

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haha someone made a game of elop burning platform and published it to Ovi store http://store.ovi.com/content/121617

game description is hilarious

Elop is a mischievous boy. He is on a platform and want let it burn! Please help (not him!) and shoot the water on the fire. You will only win, if you can drop Elpo from the platform. Are you a hero?

UPDATE: Elop as had the game Removed

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lol .............................