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tkatchev 2011-06-23 11:27

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Its shares already tanked.

I think tanking shares is kinda the ultimate point, seeing as this is heading for a Microsoft takeover.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1037047)
As usual we get a lot of hyperventilation over poorly understood quotes.

"Elop says that there is no return to Meego, even if the N9 is sales success."

No, there isn't. Nokia has made its choice to try and turn WP7 into the third major mobile ecosystem. If it turned around now as a result of the positive reaction to the N9 it would rightly be raped by the markets for utterly indecisive corporate leadership. Its shares would tank.

None of this is to say that there will be no further meego devices however.


tissot 2011-06-23 11:28

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1037047)
As usual we get a lot of hyperventilation over poorly understood quotes.

"Elop says that there is no return to Meego, even if the N9 is sales success."

No, there isn't. Nokia has made its choice to try and turn WP7 into the third major mobile ecosystem. If it turned around now as a result of the positive reaction to the N9 it would rightly be raped by the markets for utterly indecisive corporate leadership. Its shares would tank.

None of this is to say that there will be no further meego devices however.

This is being quoted all round so the damage is already made. If the total killing of MeeGo was not what he meant he should be commenting this right away.

onethreealpha 2011-06-23 11:29

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1037070)
agreed.



evidence for that statement? :)

i would more readily accept it if it said; "Elop is committed to WP as their sole smartphone platform" i.e. separate business unit, as we already know that Meego is ceasing to be a 'platform' in Nokia, and becoming a 'project'.

Original Slashgear Article I linked to about Nokia-Apple licensing deal.
the Nokia statement from the press release is at the bottom. talks about their plan to make wp their sole mobile smartphone OS and then offers up a truckload of caveats...

edit: "new technologies" could be seen as software or hardware

Jedibeeftrix 2011-06-23 11:30

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1037075)
Its shared already tanked.

I think tanking shares is kinda the ultimate point, seeing as this is heading for a Microsoft takeover.

they would tank some more.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-06-23 11:37

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037080)
Original Slashgear Article I linked to about Nokia-Apple licensing deal.
the Nokia statement from the press release is at the bottom. talks about their plan to make wp their sole mobile smartphone OS and then offers up a truckload of caveats...

edit: "new technologies" could be seen as software or hardware

"the expected plans and benefits of our strategic partnership with Microsoft to combine complementary assets and expertise to form a global mobile ecosystem and to adopt Windows Phone as our primary smartphone platform"

"the expected timing of the planned transition to Windows Phone as our primary smartphone platform and the introduction of mobile products based on that platform"

primary, not sole.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-06-23 11:38

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1037078)
This is being quoted all round so the damage is already made. If the total killing of MeeGo was not what he meant he should be commenting this right away.

what damage?

the fact that the 'evil' one has been misunderstood does not change the stated strategy, or the truth of the words he said, if that translation is accurate.

onethreealpha 2011-06-23 11:40

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
good eye jedi. you using the force?

thus the door remains open for Meego.

ericsson 2011-06-23 11:42

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pasih (Post 1037001)
Here is a translation of the article quickle done with the help of Google translate:

Elop rules out the return of Meego
Nokia CEO promises to support those in danger of termination.
By Petri Sajari HS

MOBILE PHONE manufacturer Nokia’s CEO Stephen Elop promises the company to present soon a host of new inventions to improve the competitiveness of their mobile handsets.
According to Elop there have been major changes made in the company's internal working methods over the past four months, that will speed up the development of better phones and the practical implementation of the plans.
"I've talked a lot about how to increase people's sense of responsibility, empathy, listening to customers and each other and to avoid being arrogant," Elop said in an interview in Helsingin Sanomat on Wednesday.

AS AN EXAMPLE of new inventions he regards the N9-phone that was published on Tuesday, which, however, will go on sale in the autumn for more than a year late.
"It has a number of inventions regarding usability, design and materials, which we will utilize and develop further in future devices. I can not yet tell about them more, but they will soon be seen," Elop says.
Elop says that N9 is a device that is (more about) utilizing the Qt programming environment than the MeeGo operating system.

Qt programming environment allows applications to be programmed to operate on three of Nokia's operating system, but not on a Windows phone.
Elop says that there is no return to Meego, even if the N9 is sales success.
"I have been watching the discussions with the telecom operators and consumers participated in the test groups. Feedback has been very positive and I am sure that Windows will be a success," Elop said.

THE RECENT difficulties have made employees and investors doubt the company's ability to solve problems in time. Competitors' sales are growing, but the Nokia phones’ demand is decreasing.
This year, the share price has declined more than 40 percent, as investors are highly uncertain of the business development.

"I can well understand that investors want to see the results of a new strategy in its full glory. It will take some time, but when we are able to present the results of our strategy, I'm sure about the reduction of uncertainty."
Migration to software company Microsoft's Windows operating system is a frustration for many workers. Some fear that the company will become just a Microsoft OEM and subcontractor. Elop knocks out the idea.
"Nokia will continue product development in software, services and equipment design. We will build inventions to the Windows-based phones that will make us stand out from our competitors and will bring significant additional benefits for application developers."
According to Elop several software development projects have been established in recent months at Nokia. "Software product development workers are increasingly more motivated about our achievements. I am with dealing with them all the time. I keep getting e-mails, which describe the acceleration of problem-solving."

RESTLESSNESS of the workers might also be reduced by the ending of the co-determination negotiations. Workers being under a threat of being fired have until the end of the year to think about their future.
"We will work with outside companies to find jobs for those wishing to go. We are prepared to finance start-ups, and we have ideas for the development of our patented inventions in other companies, but the legal issues must first be resolved," Elop said.

Now I get it. The UI and Qt will soon be seen in S40. Nokia has officially said Qt for the next billion. The problem with MeeGo is it evolves too slow, and there is too much baggage. The problem with Symbian is it's a mess. S40 + Qt will be a light wheight smartphone platform. WP will be high end.

We will not see more MeeGo, but we will see billions of Qt+S40 running the N9 UI. :D

Jedibeeftrix 2011-06-23 11:43

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037095)
good eye jedi. you using the force?

thus the door remains open for Meego.

i have believed as much since February 12th:

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/20...-qt-and-meego/

tissot 2011-06-23 11:49

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1037090)
what damage?

the fact that the 'evil' one has been misunderstood does not change the stated strategy, or the truth of the words he said, if that translation is accurate.

Most of the media already believes this is last MeeGo phone seen. Now this being quoted on media puts the final nail in the coffin.

Nobody follow these MeeGo news as closely as we do and this one single quote will get a lot of attention. After this media can always quote this and downplay N9 news.


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