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zlatokosi

2011-06-23 11:01

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

"I've talked a lot about how to increase people's sense of responsibility, empathy, listening to customers and each other and to avoid being arrogant," Elop said in an interview in Helsingin Sanomat on Wednesday.

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Idiot. Liar.

9000	2011-06-23 11:05

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1036980)

Yes it is a totally different article. That article on HS international edition is from yesterday. This is a Elop interview from today. This article doesn't even have translation at the HS international site yet.

I am reading the subscription one dated 23 at the office....btw it may be the case two versions has slightly different posts...has the Finland version quoted the exact words from Elop and Nokia that has the unambiguous meaning of "N9 is the first and last MeeGo phone" or "Nokia rejects the plan to produce more MeeGo phone" like the translation said?

If so, can you quote it? Again, I am fine if it is really the case.

number41

2011-06-23 11:05

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Do we at least get a Nokia "I own a f*cking NIT" barbecue, to go along with the whole Burning Platform rhetoric? Hope they don't expect us to turn our devices in for a 10% rebate on a WP PoS.

Hmmmm... Also, this thing is getting a lot of publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if it came along with a bucketload of bugs, just to "make a point" to the average computer illiterate user that Linux sucks and comes with a godamn whole lot of unsolvable problems.

Maybe this is phone is truly a good and solid strategy to get nokia's MeeGo intentions back on track (which I doubt), but more likely, this is the ultimate M$ advertisement that Linux sucks... Because it's one thing to hear it from a M$ spokesperson... And it's an entirely different thing to see the device BSODing all the time in your pocket, along with an "I told you so!" warning sign, and an "Nokia's Windows Phone is coming up, rebate for your phone!" marketing campaign.

Oh whatever, so much for truly derailed conspiracy theory rant.

tissot

2011-06-23 11:08

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 1037036)

If so, can you quote it? Again, I am fine if it is really the case.

There is no exact quote of Elop saying it.
According to Elop there’s no return to MeeGo, even if N9 would be a success.

It's not: According to Elop "there’s no return to MeeGo, even if N9 would be a success."

Jedibeeftrix

2011-06-23 11:11

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

As usual we get a lot of hyperventilation over poorly understood quotes.

"Elop says that there is no return to Meego, even if the N9 is sales success."

No, there isn't. Nokia has made its choice to try and turn WP7 into the third major mobile ecosystem. If it turned around now as a result of the positive reaction to the N9 it would rightly be raped by the markets for utterly indecisive corporate leadership. Its shares would tank.

None of this is to say that there will be no further meego devices however.

Rugoz

2011-06-23 11:13

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

According to Elop there’s no return to MeeGo, even if N9 would be a success.

Which means they won't ditch wp7 for meego. Nothing else. The fact he had to say this means they actually thought about it behind the scenes. A good sign.

Rauha

2011-06-23 11:18

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 1037036)

I am reading the subscription one dated 23 at the office....btw it may be the case two versions has slightly different posts...

Seriously stop this silliness please.
These are completly different articles.I have read both and they are different articles. Not different versions!

The one you insanely keep bringing up is article about N9 announcement in Singapore. That's the article on HS international edition. http://www.hs.fi/english/archive/ look at the date on archieve list. It's 22.6.2011, also know as yesterday. The content of that article is totally different from the one we discuss in this thread.

The one this thread is about has nothing to with it. It's a totally different article that has an interview of Elop done in Finland and published today. Different articles from different day by different writers.

onethreealpha

2011-06-23 11:20

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Let me preface this post with the statement that I'm not an apologist for Elop.....

As CEO, from the operational perspective, he gets to say what gets to market and what doesn't.
Despite the push to WP, it is the Elop as the current CEO who has decided to go ahead with the N9 for the consumer market.
Remember that this device has come AFTER the N950.
From one of the Harmattan team, there is an admission that they worked feverishly to get it finished and polished enough for release and despite the multitude of rumours, we have already had a committment from Elop himself that Nokia intends to keep Meego for "future disruptions"
The "We are not going back to Meego" seems more to be a reference to the original plan to make Meego the core nokia high end OS.
Elop is committed to WP as their sole smartphone OS, but this does not exclude the release of other "disruptive" platforms.
Furthermore, Nokia has already made it clear (I posted the "forward looking statements" elsewhere) that everything they are doing now is subject to change "These statements are based on management’s best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not limited to: 1) our ability to succeed in creating a competitive smartphone platform for high-quality differentiated winning smartphones"

don't think for a minute that if the N9 takes off and is a raging success, that they won't have an opt out clause in the MS deal, to let them push more meego/harmattan devices.

just my .02 ;)

vivmak

2011-06-23 11:24

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1036705)

Hate to be bringer of bad news, but as the title says, Elop says in interview on todays "Helsingin Sanomat" that N9 will be the last Meego phone even if its succesfull.

Released only to be excuse for killing Meego.

Google translation (propably gibberish)

he knows for sure it wont be successful N9 is just to release something this year WPx is getting dressed up.

Jedibeeftrix

2011-06-23 11:25

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037064)

The "We are not going back to Meego" seems more to be a reference to the original plan to make Meego the core nokia high end OS.

agreed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037064)

Elop is committed to WP as their sole smartphone OS, but this does not exclude the release of other "disruptive" platforms.

evidence for that statement? :)

i would more readily accept it if it said; "Elop is committed to WP as their sole smartphone platform" i.e. separate business unit, as we already know that Meego is ceasing to be a 'platform' in Nokia, and becoming a 'project'.

tkatchev

2011-06-23 11:27

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Its shares already tanked.

I think tanking shares is kinda the ultimate point, seeing as this is heading for a Microsoft takeover.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1037047)

tissot

2011-06-23 11:28

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1037047)

This is being quoted all round so the damage is already made. If the total killing of MeeGo was not what he meant he should be commenting this right away.

onethreealpha

2011-06-23 11:29

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1037070)

agreed.

evidence for that statement? :)

i would more readily accept it if it said; "Elop is committed to WP as their sole smartphone platform" i.e. separate business unit, as we already know that Meego is ceasing to be a 'platform' in Nokia, and becoming a 'project'.

Original Slashgear Article I linked to about Nokia-Apple licensing deal.
the Nokia statement from the press release is at the bottom. talks about their plan to make wp their sole mobile smartphone OS and then offers up a truckload of caveats...

edit: "new technologies" could be seen as software or hardware

Jedibeeftrix

2011-06-23 11:30

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1037075)

Its shared already tanked.

I think tanking shares is kinda the ultimate point, seeing as this is heading for a Microsoft takeover.

they would tank some more.

Jedibeeftrix

2011-06-23 11:37

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037080)

"the expected plans and benefits of our strategic partnership with Microsoft to combine complementary assets and expertise to form a global mobile ecosystem and to adopt Windows Phone as our primary smartphone platform"

"the expected timing of the planned transition to Windows Phone as our primary smartphone platform and the introduction of mobile products based on that platform"

primary, not sole.

Jedibeeftrix

2011-06-23 11:38

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1037078)

This is being quoted all round so the damage is already made. If the total killing of MeeGo was not what he meant he should be commenting this right away.

what damage?

the fact that the 'evil' one has been misunderstood does not change the stated strategy, or the truth of the words he said, if that translation is accurate.

onethreealpha

2011-06-23 11:40

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

good eye jedi. you using the force?

thus the door remains open for Meego.

ericsson

2011-06-23 11:42

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pasih (Post 1037001)

Here is a translation of the article quickle done with the help of Google translate:

Elop rules out the return of Meego
Nokia CEO promises to support those in danger of termination.
By Petri Sajari HS

MOBILE PHONE manufacturer Nokia’s CEO Stephen Elop promises the company to present soon a host of new inventions to improve the competitiveness of their mobile handsets.
According to Elop there have been major changes made in the company's internal working methods over the past four months, that will speed up the development of better phones and the practical implementation of the plans.
"I've talked a lot about how to increase people's sense of responsibility, empathy, listening to customers and each other and to avoid being arrogant," Elop said in an interview in Helsingin Sanomat on Wednesday.

AS AN EXAMPLE of new inventions he regards the N9-phone that was published on Tuesday, which, however, will go on sale in the autumn for more than a year late.
"It has a number of inventions regarding usability, design and materials, which we will utilize and develop further in future devices. I can not yet tell about them more, but they will soon be seen," Elop says.
Elop says that N9 is a device that is (more about) utilizing the Qt programming environment than the MeeGo operating system.

Qt programming environment allows applications to be programmed to operate on three of Nokia's operating system, but not on a Windows phone.
Elop says that there is no return to Meego, even if the N9 is sales success.
"I have been watching the discussions with the telecom operators and consumers participated in the test groups. Feedback has been very positive and I am sure that Windows will be a success," Elop said.

THE RECENT difficulties have made employees and investors doubt the company's ability to solve problems in time. Competitors' sales are growing, but the Nokia phones’ demand is decreasing.
This year, the share price has declined more than 40 percent, as investors are highly uncertain of the business development.

"I can well understand that investors want to see the results of a new strategy in its full glory. It will take some time, but when we are able to present the results of our strategy, I'm sure about the reduction of uncertainty."
Migration to software company Microsoft's Windows operating system is a frustration for many workers. Some fear that the company will become just a Microsoft OEM and subcontractor. Elop knocks out the idea.
"Nokia will continue product development in software, services and equipment design. We will build inventions to the Windows-based phones that will make us stand out from our competitors and will bring significant additional benefits for application developers."
According to Elop several software development projects have been established in recent months at Nokia. "Software product development workers are increasingly more motivated about our achievements. I am with dealing with them all the time. I keep getting e-mails, which describe the acceleration of problem-solving."

RESTLESSNESS of the workers might also be reduced by the ending of the co-determination negotiations. Workers being under a threat of being fired have until the end of the year to think about their future.
"We will work with outside companies to find jobs for those wishing to go. We are prepared to finance start-ups, and we have ideas for the development of our patented inventions in other companies, but the legal issues must first be resolved," Elop said.

Now I get it. The UI and Qt will soon be seen in S40. Nokia has officially said Qt for the next billion. The problem with MeeGo is it evolves too slow, and there is too much baggage. The problem with Symbian is it's a mess. S40 + Qt will be a light wheight smartphone platform. WP will be high end.

We will not see more MeeGo, but we will see billions of Qt+S40 running the N9 UI. :D

Jedibeeftrix

2011-06-23 11:43

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037095)

good eye jedi. you using the force?

thus the door remains open for Meego.

i have believed as much since February 12th:

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/20...-qt-and-meego/

tissot

2011-06-23 11:49

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1037090)

what damage?

the fact that the 'evil' one has been misunderstood does not change the stated strategy, or the truth of the words he said, if that translation is accurate.

Most of the media already believes this is last MeeGo phone seen. Now this being quoted on media puts the final nail in the coffin.

Nobody follow these MeeGo news as closely as we do and this one single quote will get a lot of attention. After this media can always quote this and downplay N9 news.

onethreealpha

2011-06-23 11:54

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1037106)

media is still flogging the "symbian is dead" horse too, but people are snapping up N8's, E7's and looking forward to the X7, so it just goes to show that not everyone believes what they read ;)

Jedibeeftrix

2011-06-23 11:55

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1037106)

i don't think it effects, as much as you believe, the chance of seeing future meego powered devices from nokia.

geneven

2011-06-23 11:56

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

It's sad that a misunderstanding by a bunch of people who can't read should have such wide ramifications. The title on this thread is flat out untrue.

BigBadGuber!

2011-06-23 11:58

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Funny to say this but N9, is what an iphone SHOULD have been.

All that Elop is saying is what we knew: Meego is not a primary platform. There is nothing new there. He is not going back to Meego as a primary platform due to the lack of viable ecosystem.

It is interesting that peter@maemo, who posts here from time to time, mentioned yesterday or so that other meego devices are in the works...

zlatokosi

2011-06-23 11:58

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037064)

.... Despite the push to WP, it is the Elop as the current CEO who has decided to go ahead with the N9 for the consumer market.

That was a contractual obligation with Intel, to release a MeeGo device (wouldn't it be cool if Intel sued Nokia for NOT bringing a MeeGo device, as the N9 is really Harmattan!), not Elop's personal choice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037064)

....don't think for a minute that if the N9 takes off and is a raging success, that they won't have an opt out clause in the MS deal, to let them push more meego/harmattan devices.

just my .02 ;)

That opt-out clause (if it exists) would cost billions...

Verythrax

2011-06-23 12:05

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1037116)

I don't think they will ever opt out WP7, but there's still a chance that they keep MeeGo in parallel, at least ;)

Rauha

2011-06-23 12:18

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1037114)

It's sad that a misunderstanding by a bunch of people who can't read should have such wide ramifications. The title on this thread is flat out untrue.

OK. I'll edit the title, if you feel that strongly about it. The current title is based on the first information availeable in the morning.

I'm now sure Elop has plenty of Meego products in the pipeline. We will see continuing support for Meego from Nokia.

EDIT: Title changed.

gerbick

2011-06-23 12:18

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Well... at least I got a chance to see step 5 out of 5.

Rauha

2011-06-23 12:19

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Thread title edited.

tissot

2011-06-23 12:32

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 1037110)

media is still flogging the "symbian is dead" horse too, but people are snapping up N8's, E7's and looking forward to the X7, so it just goes to show that not everyone believes what they read ;)

Symbian is tanking and we are talking about platform where phones start at 150 euros.
With MeeGo we are talking about phone that buyers most likely know much more about smartphones in general.

v13	2011-06-23 12:53

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Some more thoughts:

First of all, as already mentioned, peter@marketing@nokia already said tha there will be another meego phone... i believe him.

Second, lets be reallistic. Nokia is the one mobile phone company in the world with no credit in their future talking. Rember N900, Harmattan, 4 form 5, Qt, MeeGo... Need to say more? Exactly one year from now, they were making simillar claims and ALL of them were falsified. (I'n referring to management decissions)

So, do you actually believe what they say? I believe that that's theis current strategy, but lets face it... Those words are not credible.

Finally, Elop targets his talks to different groups of people. Like a primeminister, he gives interviews tha are meant for the public, his partners, the opossition or the people inside Nokia. Elop currently mut ensure that N9 must not cause problems with MS ans that people inside Nokia must not believe that this is the future..

Having said all that, I believe that he considers the financial position knowing more than we do. Maemo has a lot of Nokia crap with it... Support for end users, ovi, support for app developers (companies), advertisement, etc. With the MS deal, a lot of them are gone away or reduced.

momcilo

2011-06-23 13:05

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Stumbled upon this in one other topic inside forum:
http://www.technet.hu/telefon/201106...dowsos_nokiat/

Watching it at the moment...

~2:30 Sea ray!!! !@#!$!@#$!#@@!
~3:30 Has haptics!

this sucks big time...
this is so lame compared to N9

~11:20 IE, I am so delighted. :mad:

MINKIN2

2011-06-23 13:16

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Is this up on you tube or anyother player? The vid linked appears to be taking it's time buffering. Would be nice to watch it without pausing every so often :)

zehjotkah

2011-06-23 13:48

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Quote:

Originally Posted by v13 (Post 1037178)

First of all, as already mentioned, peter@marketing@nokia already said tha there will be another meego phone... i believe him.

I don't want to say I don't believe you.
I just would kindly ask for the source.

BigBadGuber!

2011-06-23 13:51

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1037234)

I don't want to say I don't believe you.
I just would kindly ask for the source.

He did say that N9 is not disruptive, its whats coming after N9, implying more phones in the works.

Verythrax

2011-06-23 13:54

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1037240)

He did say that N9 is not disruptive, its whats coming after N9, implying more phones in the works.

It implies that the proper disrupting devices are still to come (N9 is not one of them) but it doesn't imply that those other disrupting devices will run MeeGo.

rash.m2k

2011-06-23 14:13

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

I don't think it's quite true, Nokia will still keep Meego in their back pocket.

IF WP7 is successfull they WILL get to a point where they will see WP7 as a burden and cashing in on Nokia's profits. Investors will want to see better margins this will put pressure on managers to reduce costs. Every business does this, it's a natural process; thats when they will remember Meego and start to throw their muscle behind Meego - and any other disruptive technologies they have developed.

If Elop decided to go purely with WP7 and NOTHING else is in Nokia's back pocket, there would be uproar in the board room.

Think of it this way: ALL investors follow ONE rule - don't put all your eggs in one basket, do you think they will stand for Elop putting all Nokia's eggs in the WP7 basket? I don't think so.

Elop may be the CEO, but the board will be down hard on his *** if he screws up and he knows it. As do the investors.

sbock

2011-06-23 14:21

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 1037234)

I don't want to say I don't believe you.
I just would kindly ask for the source.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=46

ste-phan

2011-06-23 14:26

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

First what an idiot, can't believe they pay those guys such high salary.

First he starts with acknowledging reason for doubting the point as to why release N9 MeeGo in full WP7 transition.

Yes, there is indeed a point! The point is that many innovations of the N9 will live on! The user interface, the beautiful industrial design (argh - what design)
That crap design IS WP7 phone, it does nothing to make MeeGo live on, no, it will hide its ever existence to the masses.

Elop lesson of the day: indeed no more MeeGo phone and when you came, saw and stole an idea for the benefit of your true employers you are making sure the innovation lives on.

debernardis

2011-06-23 14:38

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful

Elop leaks the first wp7 nokia phone, the SeaRay, almost identical to the N9.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/23/n...ges-and-video/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget....o-front-on.jpg

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