Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

the mere interface makes me cringe..

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

I don't understand why Nokia's shareholders haven't gone to the board with torches & pitchforks.

Without Elop constantly extolling a Nokia project and product independent of Microsoft, Nokia becomes more & more the Microsoft Mobile R&D and manufacturing arm.

Maybe the Nokia board thought it would be best to work toward such an inevitable merger, or even they could have been naive enough to think that a takeover would be the best support for Nokia shares. But Nokia's status to Microsoft if WP7 phones are successful is so component, that a takeover wouldn't be necessary. After Nokia becomes the MS Mobile phone development & manufacturing arm, MS will just hire any developers they wanted, & then like everyone else move manufacturing to China where it's cheapest.

The board couldn't have been thinking to take on a turnaround CEO. The question is were they naive enough to think they were going to have Ballmer steer a takeover/merger, or even a Kerkorian style breakup selling the pieces, when the obvious track is cherry picking existing R&D and temporarily manufacturing assets.

After an announcement that Nokia is not vigorously pursuing a product of its own independent of Microsoft, I would be astonished if share price didn't collapse almost completely. The for-now performance of base model phone sales is not going to bring investor confidence in the *future*, which is what's looked at by investors.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Nokia shares raised 6% when the N9 was announced, now it went down 3% when the WP7 phone was shown:

http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ANOK

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

http://www.investorguide.com/stock.php?ticker=NOK

22nd - stock goes up on the back of N9 and N950 press.
23rd - stock down on the back of the windows 7 thing and Elop's extremely ill-advised "don't buy the N9, it's windows or nothing" interview.

Stock is currently just 10 cents above the 52-week low of $5.79. (52-wk high is $11.75).

This was supposed to be Elop's big moment to reassure the investors. They do not look reassured to me.

Windows 7 was supposed to save nokia from a failing Meego project. From where I'm sat it looks like Meego, the N9 and the N950 are a lot more advanced and ready for launch than the windows 7 thing that I struggle to care about.


[edit] @verythrax - hehe jinx!

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

If that is really the only verifying quote -- it doesn't say anything about future meego devices, just future disruption.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Clarification: I was referring to the "there is not future for MeeGo phones" thing. Nokia claiming that WP is the future is not different than claiming that MeeGo is the future.

And if you believe that a partnership with MS is too big to screw, think of the partnership with Intel, the buying of Symbian and Trolltech, the scrapping of Maemo, .... enough said.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Screwing Intel and MS are two very different things. Especially if your future (current by now?) OS is pretty much dependent upon MS. With Intel it was pretty much a hardware issue, but with MS, their backsides are on the line. Literally.

Having said that, I'm sure Nokia will keep it's Maemo/MeeGo branch/department as it's technology RD pearl. I just doubt they will keep using the MeeGo platform (instead, they will probably concentrate on developing Maemo further), or release any phones to the public. They have made it quite clear to us now, which is a shame. It will probably be a testing ground for new innovative technology to be later adopted with WP7. If the new Nokia WP7 get haptics, that would certainly prove my point.

I expect to be looking for a replacement of my NIT quite soon. And for the first time in ages, Nokia won't be offering anyhting in that department. And that just makes me feel sad.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

On the bright side, seeing as no support from launch really means people are gonna be put off buying it.

That should mean developers have no platform to develop for, meaning the N950 could appear on alot of websites for sale :)

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Why wouldn't you all believe it? Just because you know better what investor want or how a company should run?

Look back 6-8 months ago. Everyone was throwing around the multitude of reasons why Nokia would NEVER partner with Microsoft. People even suggesting that such a thing was even possible were accused of spreading FUD and being labeled as trolls.

Now, here we are again discussing why something is wrong and wouldn't really happen. Deja Vu anyone?

As vi points out, you can't trust what elop says, as things and directions in the company are subject to change. Of course, the same would also apply to Peter. And as other have noted, Peter didn't say there were more phones on the way (it is implied, but not exactly something you could hold him to). Future disruptions could mean just about anything.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Perhaps he is afraid that his new invented iPhone like business model to sell as much applications as possible thru the ovi store wouldn't work at a open source mobile...

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Bad news is bad, but not news. That this was only released because of the promises they've made, a lot of us realized already.

It's no wonder if half the braintrust leaves Nokia like they do now, even if Elop is RIGHT, it still is hard to let go of as good an idea as MeeGo. And nobody really knows if he is right - infact, lots of **** indicates that he's running the company into an early grave.

I bet he lost a huge chunk of his top dynamic thinkers and doers.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 

It's so refreshing to see someone Get It.


No need to bet, we keep seeing the announcements.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Has anybody considered this before talking about him getting fired by the board: Nokia are in Ballmers pocket, they made an agreement for billions of dollars, this includes the board who would know about this. We do not know the details of this agreement at all. It could include a contract for exclusive OS use. Meaning that once Nokias obligation to Intel for a meego handset had been met they would not, or rather cannot, create any other handsets with meego. The N9 is a past obligation handset to Intel, perhaps not one they even wanted to release after the deal with MS. This would explain Elops downplaying of meego and the WP7 leaks, they may not have a choice for some time, until the contract runs out.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 

We can fight back this and atleast make sure WP doesnt success in northeuropean. Northeuropeans should just boycott WP phones comming from Nokia :mad: and buy N9 even if MrFlop is trying to kill it and say it will not have apps etc...

Yeah I know we are very few people in northeur... but atleast we can make Meego alive in north european. I mean even norwegian people should dislike if Qt gets killed in the long run :mad:


Qt and part of Linux is a our innovations so dont let Microsoft killit.

I have ZERO respect for MS and even if the new WP7 phones from Nokia will have HDMI tripplecore CPU and adobeflash or whatever I will simply not buy it! Not even if this was the only opinion in the future then I beter not have a smartphone thats for sure.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Guys, I don't get the article.

Because read here: http://www.tu.no/forbruker/article288395.ece

“People don’t need to worry about we not supporting MeeGo wholeheartedly.” – Oskar Södergren, Communication Manager Nokia Scandinavia

He says that WP7 is and will be the main platform, but MeeGo still lives as the disruptor.

Even a Norwegian representative said the same thing.

Shut up with that finnish newspaper already!

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

This is exactly what i was saying here before already.
Even if Helsingin Sanomat quoted it all wrong the word is already out and you are not going to change that.

Elop or some Nokia spokesperson would have said something officially the day HS published the article if he did not mean it or did not want this to happen. Bloomberg and Business week where quoting it the day it came out.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

the finns have lost it a long time ago when they put Elop in charge of the whole operation ;) thats why the company moving out very soon...

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

well thanks to this thread and the article, we might get a straigh answer from the CEO himself about support for N9.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

What makes you think 1) Elop reads this forum? 2) Gives a damn about what poeple post on here if he does?

Either he's a clown when it comes to being a CEO, which I doubt, or destroying the meego good news story is all part of his plan.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Elop reads Engadget,

http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/25/n...he-n9-is-a-hi/

and

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Yea, newspapers don't make stuff up.... Look at the N.Y. Post

:D

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

What more straight an answer can you get than from the Engadet article? If Elop's not coming straight out and saying they have got it wrong then surely it must be right?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

The point is in Helsingin Sanomat article, it wasn't clear whether the answer is about a total drop out of Meego even with ít being a success or just not going back to the strategy planned by OPK and co. With this news generating alot of attention and many questioning his position as a true leader of Nokia. I think he should step on and make clear of this.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Self resignation isn't only one way to change CEO. Ho ever, unfortunately, if "deciding powers" would have brain, they would never choose him. We'll see if Nokia is one of the brand to disappear in 2012 (or any near point in future).

I bet on microsoft buying Nokia. Someone want to bet other company? ;)

Maybe we as Maemo community should stop being kind, and start true "offensive" against Elop? they're going to stop financing maemo.org anyway - and as guys from LibreOffice proved, Open Source community can as well finance on it's self - so what we've to loose?

Birds sing that Elop leadership is questioned more and more even at Nokia itself. Good guys there can't just plain ask us for "rebellion", but acting like that may help "spinning outward" moves inside - who knows how far rage from our "little" community can reach. Maybe to some mass-media also? Elop with his egocentric personality is great target, and i personally would like to see him @ mass-media crosshair.

At least it could not get worse that it's now ;)

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

I think we should collect some money, buy some nokia stocks so we are allowed to send two representetives to nokia every time they have meetings for share holders. We will send one in a meego dress and one in the windows 7 dress. They shall start a fight and the meego guy shall knock the windows guy out infront of Elop and all the rest of the share holders so they understand how strong meego is :D

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Sorry to say that, but it's not even funny. And i was serious in my last post. Really.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

The only reason they haven't pulled the funding thus far is mostly not to give substance to rumours that MeeGo was dead... Or at least that's what makes sense.

Now that those are no longer rumours, and MeeGo is announced to be stillborn in Nokia, by Nokia itself...

Expect it to come. Soon.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

<rant>
ugh well that answers that then, k thnx bye nokia.

wont be going Win Phone and sybian's a joke so nokia dont get any more of my money.

so much fail
</rant>

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

i want mee go buying this phone NOW :)

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Someone was asking for a youtube link for the leaked video from the hungarian site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6oidCTUw4s
Let the man do the talking.

I just really want to know how the UI will live on... Hope not in a WP7 or 8

I personally don't mind that Nokia is switching from symbian to WP as long as they keep MeeGo even if not for the avarage customers but for us.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Too bad your post was so ridiculous and misinformed that people couldn't take you seriously.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Elop made a mediated choice: the partnership with Microsoft. If one day, he announce that this choice, jeopardize jobs and money (and other factors) was the bad one, I let you imagine the consequences ? He can't admit it (MeeGo back or Plan B).
I'm maybe wrong but this possibility exist. :)

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Nokia has gone from a company where you thought your input welcome (and it wasn't but you didn't know it) to a company where your input isn't welcome and you know it.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 

IMO, android looks like child's toy compared to meego.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

some of you guys live in denial or what ?

Elop is not stupid - he knows what he said - and he knows what the paper printed - and he knows how rumours will get started as Gerbick said - and he knows how such rumours will impact N9 release and sales.

Does he come out and issue a clarification in a press release ? Does he call the paper and say "Actually thats not what I meant ?"

No he does not.

What do you think that means ?

Use some common sense people - Elope, the CEO, is not trying his hardest push the N9, which is THE main product AT THIS TIME when windows phone has not been released yet.

And this is ALL you need to know about future Meego support by Nokia.

Any argument about "other sources" and some "interpretation" of what his words meant are just a waste of time.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

the guy is a idiot. WP7 its year behind meego. n9 is ready

w7-w8 are not. even with mango meego superior multitask years ahead.

and yes its pretty obvious he trying to destroy nokia.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

the guy is an idiot ?

that only applies if you think his goal is to advance meego

if his goal is to advance wp at all costs then he has been scoring goals

i always find it amusing that armchair pundits can call ceos idiots without qualifying their comments - by any measure the ceo is actually there and much more successful then the pundit who criticises without action or consrquences

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 

dude, you should start a campaign against nokia...

heard of those hungerstrike movements...?

you should do a gadgetstrike... protest them by living for 30+ days without any electronic gadgets whatsoever.... that'll show 'em!!

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

My favourite part was where he assumed that a region of the world encompassing several countries actually collectively care about the "open-ness" of a smartphone OS.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

The CEO is there and successful because he is there? Why is he there? Why this MS tied American?
How high do you estimate the number of qualified persons available to lead Nokia to success with Maemo / MeeGo as lead OS? That is what we want right? That is what Nokia wanted (?) two years ago isn't it?

Then why not choose some Linux minded Chinese for CEO. 1.3 Billion Chinese available and if only 1 on 100 million qualifies, that still leaves 13 potential Elop replacements.

At least this CEO would understand Nokia's main target market better. There is a fight going on in the low end mobile sector too, remember?

But no - there is only one Elop that can guide Nokia to the light :rolleyes: