Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

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Who but an idiot would appear at the announcement of the N9 one day and get rave reviews for the phone/UI but then next day destroy the phone/OS by suggesting the OS has no future, and also "accidentially" show a N9.running Wp7?

Why didn'y he simply stay away from the N9 announcement in the first place?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Well considering that this talk happens at linux-based maemo's user forum it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to think that at least quite a big portion of users might, you know, still want to have linux as an option in their future gadgets?

So what about you? You're from Australia and if I remember correctly your government has been trying for years to make e.g. the internet not-free. Which one would you like: a government controlled internet or a non-controlled internet? Some people would like to have a phone OS that is as far away from being locked-down by a manufacturer or by one company as it can be.

Aww, I never quite understand whether you're trolling or not. One option is also that you are drunk constantly. Just joking!!!

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Because everyone in Northern Europe is a TMO user.

Doesn't matter, I'm behind seven proxies.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

The idea behind my post was that it's pretty common here for people to make fun of open source ideals. You and yessssss or whatever snake hiss his name is attacked someone who has ideals.

Don't worry, in the end they'll get you anyway.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Saw that Sea Ray leaked video once more. Qt is continuing onto the "next million" but the N9 UI is going into something else apparently. I wonder what, it can only be WP, Symbian or maybe a tablet. But is that a good tablet UI? maybe, but it fits perfectly on a phone IMO.

The UI really is perfect, simplicity and power in perfect harmony, the very essence of a multitasking OS on a phone, I just love it. I hope it comes to Symbian as it already have all the pieces ready :)

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

It is so sad to see a great company destroy itself :(
with meego nokia would have been no. 1 again instead of just another peddler of generic phones

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 

Power to the people! :)

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Sorry if this is a very stupid question:

If the N9 is the last and only meego device, ¿What are developers of the N950 working on? What OS is developers N950 running?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

The N950 is not a commercial device so it doesn't count. It runs same OS as N9.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

I know but, if it will not be a commercial device, why are developers putting on time on the N950?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Because Nokia is loaning them out, and apps developed on N950 will run on N9.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Yeah, they are putting time on the N950 to do Nokia a big favor so that the N9 won't be without apps when it launches.

Or, alternatively, they aren't putting time on the N950 after hearing what Nokia has to say about MeeGo's future... But then someone else applies for and gets the N950 instead. Gotta be 250 people in the world who either believes in MeeGo, or would say they do, to test the N950 for a while.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Yes, but why? If you want to develop on the N9, why not use the N9?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

N950 is available NOW, and since it was discontinued for launch, Nokia has no problem providing them to developers as loans.

Also, think of this as developing for MeeGo, not just N9.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

The review and approval process for N950 dev devices is TOUGH.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Please guys, sign this.
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Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

OK, makes sense. I was not aware it was available now.

Another thing, the "next million", is this it: http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devel...s_40_web_apps/

Web apps for the S40?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

it's the next billion; nokia brings internet (= series 40) to the next billion.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

funny how Nokia still marketing the N9 after Elop statement about Meego, they are targeting N900 users

try to visit ovi store on the N900 it will redirect you to N9 official page.
http://link.ovi.mobi/n900ovistore

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Interesting; wonder if that's an on-purpose thing? Well spotted.

<sarcasm>
So the N900 Ovi store is now marginally more useful/interesting than it was when the link for the N900 Ovi store took you to the N900 Ovi store...
</sarcasm>

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Typo. I was wondering if that is IT? The next billion touted by Nokia. I mean, it's not too impressive.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

a billion new customers would not be impressive? :confused:

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Fire the man immediately! A CEO's only job is to create shareholder value,empower staff and make a profit. If the N9 is so hot, Nokia should relase in all markets. If by accident Nokia has made a novel and appealing device that people actually want, it is insane not to move it to the top of the priority list. Let it become the aspirational device that people want-need.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

I think it's part of it, not the whole strategy. Isn't part of it Qt going to S40 as well? the new C2 phones will have maps and turn by turn navigation - on a featurephone.

The idea is to bring the S40 one step up to overcome the competition. I would prefer making the S60 to run on the lower-end but what do I know?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Unless there is some super-smart plan unfolding now, I'd guess that the one standing on the burning platform is Elop himself.

Since he took on the job as CEO the stock has roughly shrunk to half the price, and the curve has been steady downwards since that.

On top of that, add all his not-so-consistent roadmap for the future that he's been slaloming through lately.

If the market ditches the WP phones and the media continues to scream for Meego-devices, I'd say he'd better prepare to jump. I'm not so certain that the board and/or shareholders are happy with present business.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

symbian was being killed and badmouthed by it CEO.
it got not change of getting backup

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

It would be, if it ever happened. I suspect "next billion" is more wishful thinking and marketing spin than anything resembling reality.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Deep bold voice while playing this in the background would have been better, for current TMO especially N9 related topic lurkers.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Web apps on the S40 isn't exactly impressive when Samsung can deliver genuine smartphones running Bada for the same price and less.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Somebody heard anything new about richard green? The timing of his "medical leave" seems to indicate he wanted to stay until meego is finished and then wait for nokia to make up its mind.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

If meego is excluded, what will be the future disruptions ?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

If they are moving away from Meego, why were the advertising Meego (N950) in the Transformers?

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

Because those were the futuristic disruptions.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

It was actually a misquote...

Elop was quoted to say that "the next major product from Nokia will be a disruptive device" whereas he actually said that "I will disrupt the next major product from Nokia, eh."

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 

Mh... So, MeeGo just won't be the main platform for Nokia, even though N9 succeeds. This was the main debate at Nokia, and they decided to go WM.

Elop just says that the decision is final, they won't leave WM and switch the main Nokia smartphone OS to MeeGo even if the N9 is successful.

But it also means that MeeGo won't be killed off after N9, even if it would by some miracle flop totally.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

It would not take a miracle for a step daughter product like Maemo / MeeGo to flop. Not unless you count lack of marketing, lack of distribution, and low production rate as a miracle.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: N9 the last Meego phone even if it is succesfull.
 

No, but Quim Gill said on his blog that there wouldn't be any more Maemo/Meego at Nokia. It's over.

http://flors.wordpress.com/

- If the Nokia N9 is successful will you ship more high-end smartphones powered either by MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan or a fully compliant MeeGo?

Since #feb11 Nokia has a clear software strategy where high-end smartphones are covered by the collaboration with Microsoft on Windows Phone, therefore the consequent answer is the one already given by Stephen Elop: No.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

If a company acts so stupid, it deserves to go down. I feel sad for Nokia anyhow.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

I hope you people realise Quim is just making a logical inference based on existing public evidence; he knows as much as anyone else here, which is to say very little.

Re: Elop on Helsingin Sanomat: Nokia not returning to Meego, even if N9 is succesful
 

You do realize that Quim works on Meego integration and Maemo/Meego devices at Nokia and he would know whether or not they're planning a N9 successor?

He's not some talk.maemo.org dude like you and I.