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cr0c0 2011-06-27 16:04

So today I found out one reason why android sucks. :)
 
This is a rant, don't take it too seriously. But I remember I started another thread a while back complaining about the N900, how it's starting to be left behind. I may want to revisit that thread. :)

Open default browser on my HTC Desire, click a link to a podcast. It starts playing the podcast as an overlay to that page (which I later found out was an mp3 file), and I listed to it for about 20 mins. Click on the menu button to open a new window so I could continue browsing while listening to the podcast. Playback stops, the overlay closes and loses track of where it was. I decided not to listen to the podcast any further...

Today I am back on the N900. :P

MyNokiaN900 2011-06-27 16:13

Re: So today I found out one reason why android sucks. :)
 
Shock and horror, you mean it doesn't have true multi-tasking... oh dear!

Welcome back! ;)

cutehunk04 2011-06-27 16:21

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welcome back to true King N900... :)

nicholes 2011-06-27 16:59

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And.I change my signature when i found n900's power like you!!!!

cutehunk04 2011-06-27 17:01

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nice status :P

philh 2011-06-27 17:09

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A colleague of mine bought Samsung Galaxy Apollo, a nice little simple phone but she came to me saying she doesn't know how to put it into silent mode. OK I said I`m not really an Android expert just pass me the manual and I`ll have a look. I almost burst out laughing when I read the instruction: "go to the phone application and press and hold the # key on the keypad"!!!

I mean I`m sure there is a better way and that the phone was running 2.1 Eclair but to put this in the manual as an official and easiest way is amusing. Samsung, you have touchscreens now with pull-down menus etc! It just confirmed for me that I made a good decision to let Android mature for couple of years before I jump aboard, if ever.

cr0c0 2011-06-27 17:25

Re: So today I found out one reason why android sucks. :)
 
Yeah, I only got the Desire because I was tired of always using dead platforms... It's like I have the kiss of death on all the gadgets I use.

Spanning 15 years, I killed the Psion, the original Palm and now the N800/N810/N900.

lancewex 2011-06-27 17:31

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A similar thing happens on my Android device (which has a hard drive so might act differently): if you are browsing files (in the file browser and not a music app) and click on an mp3 it will play. But if you leave the player it will stop playing the file. So very annoying.

Verythrax 2011-06-27 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by philh (Post 1040140)
A colleague of mine bought Samsung Galaxy Apollo, a nice little simple phone but she came to me saying she doesn't know how to put it into silent mode. OK I said I`m not really an Android expert just pass me the manual and I`ll have a look. I almost burst out laughing when I read the instruction: "go to the phone application and press and hold the # key on the keypad"!!!

I mean I`m sure there is a better way and that the phone was running 2.1 Eclair but to put this in the manual as an official and easiest way is amusing. Samsung, you have touchscreens now with pull-down menus etc! It just confirmed for me that I made a good decision to let Android mature for couple of years before I jump aboard, if ever.

Usually you just hold the power button, and the choose the silent mode from the menu - the same to undo it. Froyo have it more conveniently located at the status bar commands, besides the original way :)

didn't even know I could use # for that! :D

Just a poorly written manual :P

erendorn 2011-06-27 18:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by philh (Post 1040140)
A colleague of mine bought Samsung Galaxy Apollo, a nice little simple phone but she came to me saying she doesn't know how to put it into silent mode. OK I said I`m not really an Android expert just pass me the manual and I`ll have a look. I almost burst out laughing when I read the instruction: "go to the phone application and press and hold the # key on the keypad"!!!

I mean I`m sure there is a better way and that the phone was running 2.1 Eclair but to put this in the manual as an official and easiest way is amusing. Samsung, you have touchscreens now with pull-down menus etc! It just confirmed for me that I made a good decision to let Android mature for couple of years before I jump aboard, if ever.

On the Htc Hero, going further down with the volume rocker makes the phone go into "silent" and then "vibration" mode. Very nice and intuitive. Wouldn't work that much on n900 that uses different volume levels based on call status, headphones and so on (pretty nice too).

Sopwith 2011-06-28 05:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cr0c0 (Post 1040095)
This is a rant, don't take it too seriously...

Same here...

I should just say that I have myself found dozens of reasons to complain about Android, but they are comparable to what Maemo or iOS users complain about as well, so I have come to accept that this is just the state of mobile OSes today.

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Open default browser on my HTC Desire, click a link to a podcast. It starts playing the podcast as an overlay to that page (which I later found out was an mp3 file), and I listed to it for about 20 mins. Click on the menu button to open a new window so I could continue browsing while listening to the podcast. Playback stops, the overlay closes and loses track of where it was...
Of course it should stop. What if you decided to open another podcast in the new window? Should they play concurrently? What if your phone rang and you answer, should the podcast continue?

I agree that the user should be provided with an option -- but that goes against the rеtarded philosophy of a podcast to begin with.

davedickson 2011-06-28 05:35

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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 1040484)

lol thanks, made my morning :D

Sopwith 2011-06-28 05:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by davedickson (Post 1040492)
lol thanks, made my morning :D

You should thank Maddox. Apparently, his writings are timeless... :D

davedickson 2011-06-28 05:56

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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 1040494)
You should thank Maddox. Apparently, his writings are timeless... :D

Just had a look through the site lol brilliant, looks like others spotted some of his work too....

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74239 :D

chase15 2011-06-28 06:02

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just like what happened to me.. :D hehe..

visN900 2011-06-28 06:54

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so which one is the better OS.. Maemo right??

Kangal 2011-06-28 11:00

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Which one's better?? Maemo with Dalvik support ofcourse.
Or even better Android 2.3.4 with QML/Qt support!!

Captwheeto 2011-06-28 11:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 1040484)
Words

Went to that link, saw an incorrect use of 'literally' and stopped reading right there.

I think android is a decent platform, I much prefer it to iOS. Fragmentation is really letting it down though, it'd be much nicer if vendors kept everything to a standard

prankster 2011-06-28 11:27

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may i know is there any better thing on the earth than our beloved mighty N900 with the hardware it has and ofcourse software is way ahead of any crapy OS,lemme know if you find one? beside that is there any community more willing than N900 owns?
i think as far as this community rocks i am gonna stick to my N900,even if it takes years and years .
it has been 4 months or so ,there has not been a single day ,i could take my fingers off from my N900,multitasking(video+audio+calls+my paint+pen pen) what the hell?it is fking awesome )) i love it <3 ,cant even compare it.

sjgadsby 2011-06-28 11:29

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Originally Posted by davedickson (Post 1040492)
lol thanks, made my morning

Yes, podcasts aren't streaming audio. What a buffoon!

prankster 2011-06-28 11:43

Re: So today I found out one reason why android sucks. :)
 
may i know is there any better thing on the earth than our beloved mighty N900 with the hardware it has and ofcourse software is way ahead of any crapy OS,lemme know if you find one? beside that is there any community more willing than N900 owns?
i think as far as this community rocks i am gonna stick to my N900,even if it takes years and years .
it has been 4 months or so ,there has not been a single day ,i could take my fingers off from my N900,multitasking(video+audio+calls+my paint+pen pen) what the hell?it is fking awesome )) i love it <3 ,cant even compare it.

Sopwith 2011-06-28 13:03

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Originally Posted by Captwheeto (Post 1040702)
Went to that link, saw an incorrect use of 'literally' and stopped reading right there.

I think android is a decent platform, I much prefer it to iOS. Fragmentation is really letting it down though, it'd be much nicer if vendors kept everything to a standard

Maybe you should have kept on reading until you developed some sense of humor.

As to fragmentation, I have seen none on my Dell Streak...

Sopwith 2011-06-28 13:07

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Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 1040709)
Yes, podcasts aren't streaming audio. What a buffoon!

Right, cause people flock to the best page in the universe to learn correct technical definitions... :rolleyes:

There are multiple advantages of not streaming an audio, bandwith being one of the main ones. In that case, one should simply download the podcast (audio file) to ones device and play it with a dedicated player -- there would be no issues with interrupted playback then.

But of course, "download a file" and "open with a dedicated player" is too much to ask from todays m0ronic web2.0-users and podcast lovers...

cr0c0 2011-06-28 17:03

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Well, to answer a few questions, I just clicked a link on a site that made no mention of what file format the podcast may or may not be in. As a matter of fact, I had never listened to a podcast before, otherwise I'd have known to save the mp3 file and play it in the media player.

My point was that ANY interaction with the phone caused the playback to be completely lost. I received calls on my N900 while listening to local or streaming music. The music stopped, the phone started ringing, I answered, talked, hung up, and then my music resumed automatically.

Even if I had clicked on another podcast link, you know what? My expected behaviour would be for BOTH to start playing. I clicked two links, and the phone damn better start playing both things at once. That is what I told it to do, right? Why should it decide for me?

msa 2011-06-28 17:08

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but but but... isnt there an app for that? :P

mrojas 2011-06-28 17:40

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I think Maddox's point is how, suddenly, old technologies become "cool" once they get a "hip" name.

Ah, the vulgarization of the web...

Sopwith 2011-06-28 18:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cr0c0 (Post 1040915)
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Even if I had clicked on another podcast link, you know what? My expected behaviour would be for BOTH to start playing. I clicked two links, and the phone damn better start playing both things at once. That is what I told it to do, right? Why should it decide for me?

Fair enough, but you can't say that Android sucks just because it doesn't behave as you expect. There is logic in suspending processes when the window is in the background.

Page loading continues in multiple open windows, and playback from the stock audio player as well as from several applications that I've tested continues in the background and stops upon interruptions such as incoming calls as expected. So clearly the problem isn't one of capabilities of the OS, but rather of a particular implementation of the browser behavior.

And that problem can be easily circumvented by downloading the file, or using a different browser. This is very different than situations when you simply cannot find a solution because of severe limitations of the system or lacking control options.

Elhana 2011-06-28 18:01

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so podcast is still just a cool word for audio file, right?

gazza_d 2011-06-28 18:04

Re: So today I found out one reason why android sucks. :)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cr0c0 (Post 1040147)
Yeah, I only got the Desire because I was tired of always using dead platforms... It's like I have the kiss of death on all the gadgets I use.

Spanning 15 years, I killed the Psion, the original Palm and now the N800/N810/N900.

Can we organise a collection, so this guy can buy Nokia Windows phones please...

sjgadsby 2011-06-28 18:33

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Originally Posted by Elhana (Post 1040956)
so podcast is still just a cool word for audio file, right?

Plus RSS.

(And an annoying voice. And bad intro music that violate copyright law. And...)

geneven 2011-06-29 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Captwheeto (Post 1040702)
Went to that link, saw an incorrect use of 'literally' and stopped reading right there.

Ah, were our wittle sensibilities injured? Poor wittle pedant...


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