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Ok thank you. That doesn't sound all too bad at all imo. No real deal breakers there. Seems easily fixable with some updates. No OS is perfect I don't think.

There multitasking seems more like task switching. The apps are like in stasis. Noone does multitasking like Nokia for sure, so i didn't expect much. The proposed one they have seems functional though. I think they're waiting for feedback, as to how to improve it though, microsoft that is.

I think the argument with the app speed and so on probably has to be a lack of optimization I think. I haven't used it personally (hence i asked) but it's a reasonable assumption. Some go fast, some slow.

For me the lack of a file manager is the worst, I want to be able to use my phone as a portable hard drive at some level. I don't want to put everything on skydrive. I don't like the idea of HAVING to use Zune either. I think that's my worse feelings about it, otherwise the OS seems very decent.

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Actually forgot about the lack of a file explorer. I use that heavily in Android. Been using a 3rd part app called Notepad that has a file explorer function, but not management.

It does allow for full file exploration while connected to my Mac, not in Windows.

I actually find the OS okay, just not as polished as iOS, as flexible as Android. And I can't shake the feeling that I am two levels too high to fully control the device. No root access, development provisioning is somewhat cumbersome, dependent on apps to give me the ability to use the device as a hard drive, no secondary browsers that are Gecko or Webkit based (Surf Cube does not count).

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Well iOS had time to get polished eh ;) although i find it severely lacking and i hate itunes waaaaaay more than zune among other things. The UI is the basically the same field of icons, and hasn't changed really. It just has a very disconnected experience for me.

Why might one want root access. What does that accomplish? (sounds like a minority thing) Also why the need for a Gecko or Webkit based browser? Something wrong with Trident? I get a good browsing experience with all of 'em.

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Which? iOS or Android? Because iOS is a rather polished, even in version 1.0 in terms of how well they thought it out, how consistent it is. Polished, but restricted.

Metro UI is equally thought out, but a bit inconsistent in a few areas. That takes time to get used to a few UI workflow differences. Not yet optimized, feels like something is missing.

I like to "own" my devices. Plus, I'd like to be able to make true backups of my phone. To do so, I have to root the device. And ultimately, I'd love access to true bits of the phone where I can change the background color, tweak settings, change how it acts.

To do so, you have to have either root, or some app that will do all of that for you. To date, an application to do so does not exist.

See above. I just listed out the few bits I've found out so far. There are other, many other reasons...

To test what I develop and design for the web. Not all sites work the same in all browsers and I'm finding mobile IE9 to be a weird beast. I can test in emulated forms, but it's not always the same.

Good, yes. But can you compare on the same device? No. Trident means I'm back to developing for three types of browser DOM whereas it was two.

My complaints are minor. I say it's not ready for primetime. Said the same thing about Android 1.5 and 1.6. Said the same thing about Honeycomb 3.0. Saying the same thing about WP7 at this moment. Definitely said the same thing about Maemo 5.

Oh, the Twitter app is painfully slow.

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There are rumours that, due to all the patent issues with Android, LG, ZTE and Huawei are considering using MeeGo.

Wouldn't it be ironic if NOKIA ended up getting spanked by its own abandoned OS?

BTW I think Elop is a trojan horse, it's very hard to rationalise his decisions from any other perspective.

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Incidentally, Nokia more or less acknowledge it. I hope the "MeeGo" one is ready enough.

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I dont think switching to Meego would help in case of "patent issues" in case of Android biggest patent issue is SUN(woops Oracle) and Java but they will soon get a deal.

In case of Microsoft patents or Apple. Meego will probadly has same issues....

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I hope youre right but I think youre wrong :-/ 75 million EUR in marketing....

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Gerbick, you misunderstood me. I meant although iOS is polished, the experience is disconnected cuz I have to jump form app to app as there was no integration, and multitasking/task switching came later down. Android is a bit better.

Ah, i understand what you mean about truly owning your device. That's fair enough I think. Not necesary for me though, cuz like i own many devices which i don't quite 'own' like game consoles and the sorts.

Mobile ie9 is weird? I didn't expect that...doesn't it comply to all the standards in the same way. So you still have to do ie hacks? bummer. Although as a web developer I think you SHOULD be accustomed to IE stuff by now, at least now it should be WAY better right?

Hmm i'm glad your gripes aren't too major. I've been browsing the forums and generally everyone agrees that wp7 is like utter garbage, but not much reason as to why it is. I intended to buy one, but the negativity is discouraging. I actually WANT it to succeed, cuz i want Nokia to succeed and I love Nokia.

I still don't get though why Nokia can't continue with meego development as that is SOFTWARE....there focus only needs to be for hardware where wp7 is concerned. It's quite weird. Do both in parallel.

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WP7's multitasking reminds me more of S^3 than webOS, but your points are pretty vaild. At least, from the perspective of a poweruser; I certainly don't think I myself would have as many issues (although lack of IM integration is incredibly frustrating after using an N900, and was the main reason for dumping my E7) and the general consumer public even less.

The main reason I think WP7 will succeed is because MS will make it succeed. Fact is, companies like RIM & Nokia have no hope of creating new ecosystems around QNX, MeeGo, etc. when massive capitalist juggernauts like MS can steamroller through with their infinite money and force a good outcome for themselves. Naturally they couldn't do that if their product was just absolutely terrible, but it's not. And with the stylistic similarities between it & Windows 8 (which you already know will sell in very large volumes) WP7 is positioned for a big 2012.