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Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

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Originally Posted by keflex (Post 1057092)

WP7's multitasking reminds me more of S^3 than webOS, but your points are pretty vaild. At least, from the perspective of a poweruser; I certainly don't think I myself would have as many issues (although lack of IM integration is incredibly frustrating after using an N900, and was the main reason for dumping my E7) and the general consumer public even less.

The main reason I think WP7 will succeed is because MS will make it succeed. Fact is, companies like RIM & Nokia have no hope of creating new ecosystems around QNX, MeeGo, etc. when massive capitalist juggernauts like MS can steamroller through with their infinite money and force a good outcome for themselves. Naturally they couldn't do that if their product was just absolutely terrible, but it's not. And with the stylistic similarities between it & Windows 8 (which you already know will sell in very large volumes) WP7 is positioned for a big 2012.

symbian3 have better multitask that wp7 mango.

both show screenshots of the apps, but wp7 can only have 6 apps open and u can't close them from visual task manager.
in symbian u can, u can get more than 20 apps running

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

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Originally Posted by keflex (Post 1057092)

Wait a second, Mango brings IM integration through Live messenger and facebook chat into the message system. I think there'll be twitter and linked in integration at some level. I inquired if there would be Google Chat support as well, but all my questions about it were largely ignored, which means probably not. Doesn't matter though, Facebook is like the juggernaut of IM now, everyone seems to always be on :/ Noone really uses Google chat here. All my friends have hotmail addressees hahaha. See what happens when you come first :)

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1057090)

Gerbick, you misunderstood me. I meant although iOS is polished, the experience is disconnected cuz I have to jump form app to app as there was no integration, and multitasking/task switching came later down. Android is a bit better.

I got what you meant. I'm talking about workflow connectivity and honestly... it's lacking. UI/UX is easily one place I tend to concentrate upon and it's rather "chunky" in how you have to go from one app to another.

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Mobile ie9 is weird? I didn't expect that...doesn't it comply to all the standards in the same way. So you still have to do ie hacks? bummer. Although as a web developer I think you SHOULD be accustomed to IE stuff by now, at least now it should be WAY better right?

It's much better, but it's less IE6 hacks, more "let's avoid absolute positioning and CSS3" type of hacks.

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Hmm i'm glad your gripes aren't too major. I've been browsing the forums and generally everyone agrees that wp7 is like utter garbage, but not much reason as to why it is. I intended to buy one, but the negativity is discouraging. I actually WANT it to succeed, cuz i want Nokia to succeed and I love Nokia.

Most folks that deeply dislike WP7 in these parts have never touched it. I tend to ignore folks like that.

I'm on the fence about whether or not I want it to succeed. I'd rather it would, I actually like the workflow. But I'm a yank... so that means I have an XBOX 360, I have used a Zune for quite some time.

And since I opened up my big mouth, I'll have to purchase a Nokia WP7 device - thought they'd never combine. Was wrong there.

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I still don't get though why Nokia can't continue with meego development as that is SOFTWARE

We're all trying to wrap our collective heads around that.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1056081)

That's how partnerships work. The hardware maker (OEM) in this case Nokia, will pay Microsoft a certain percentage of the price of every phone they sell. That is the nature of the business. The situation Nokia is in right now, is an uncommon and unnecessary one, considering how the first impressions of Harmattan/Meego hybrid.

Anyway, I understand many of the folks here are open source junkies and tinkerers, but I think WP7 gets too much unnecessary flak. It seems quite promising imo. Misses some key features, but not enough for me to call it junk and all the other disparaging things people say here.
Android is a great OS, but a bugfest as I've come to notice with seemingly ALL google software, I've passed through quite a few, and they've all been troublesome. I currently use a Nexus S.

may i redirect you to two posts of mine regarding the experience with wp7?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...1&postcount=16
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...5&postcount=25

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

You have to give Elop 3 years before you judge him. He inherited a company in disarray, sort of like Obama cleaning up after Bush. And just like a Tea Party fundamentalists are trying to undo Obama efforts, there will be NOKIA dead wood obstructing and criticizing Elop plans.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1057398)

Yeah, fighting bureaucracy with ignorance is always a good plan.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

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Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1057057)

I dont think switching to Meego would help in case of "patent issues" in case of Android biggest patent issue is SUN(woops Oracle) and Java but they will soon get a deal.

In case of Microsoft patents or Apple. Meego will probadly has same issues....

If you genuinely have some information that suggests MeeGo would be effected please share it with us.

groklaw has repeatedly warned that M$ are trying to use Novell to seed patented code into GNU/Linux but I was under the impression that was just about Mono which is easily removed.

M$ do like to make noises about GNU/Linux breaching their patents but whenever Mark Shuttleworth challenges them to say which ones there's never a response.

I seriously doubt M$ have anything significant on GNU/Linux or else we would have seen it used against Canonical.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

Mono isn't the culprit, it's mostly around virtualization.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1057409)

Yeah, fighting bureaucracy with ignorance is always a good plan.

? Another NOKIA dead wood

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse

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Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1057477)

? Another NOKIA dead wood

What would you do if this current Elop inspired plan fails? How long do you think it will take for it to be considered a "success" and if not a success, then would you be willing to state that you were wrong?

Answering with the bravado "I won't be wrong" is not an option, we don't know what tomorrow holds. Just wonder if you have thought it through as a possible failure.