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hotnikkelz 2011-07-26 16:20
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1058312)
Doesn't compare. Zune in the end was just a music player. A smartphone is way more functional for obvious reasons.

danramos 2011-07-26 18:49
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by hotnikkelz (Post 1058710)
Doesn't compare. Zune in the end was just a music player. A smartphone is way more functional for obvious reasons.
You're right, but then isn't that all it took for Apple to claw its way back up from the brink of bankruptcy just after they put Steve Jobs back at the helm? It may have been "just a music player", but it was well executed by Apple with iPod, not well executed by Microsoft with Zune. I suspect Nokia is more the Microsoft with Zune these days. :P

ysss 2011-07-26 19:11
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1058804)
You're right, but then isn't that all it took for Apple to claw its way back up from the brink of bankruptcy just after they put Steve Jobs back at the helm? It may have been "just a music player", but it was well executed by Apple with iPod, not well executed by Microsoft with Zune. I suspect Nokia is more the Microsoft with Zune these days. :P
Yeah... but Steve Jobs didn't have to fight a Steve Jobs, to become who he is today.

I kid... I kid...

qwazix 2011-07-26 19:29
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1058662)
I'm getting tired of refuting all idiots here (seriously I am), but anyway. The numbers are very clear:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...s-smartpho.php
What you see is the number of phones sent out by Nokia. A negative effect regarding sales from stores and operators will take 6-8 weeks. The top is at Q4 2010, this means that with the 6-8 weeks of lag, the real top was September-October 2010. That is when it started going down hill. Nokia knew this of course, they observe every thing going on in the market. From that time on, they "only" sold N8. Right now it seems that sales are going fast down-hill, but it is actually flattened according to Nokia. The worst loss is over. Meanwhile Android is still growing, so in relative terms (market share) Nokia will lose more. What the N9 and WP will do ramains to be seen.
have you noticed that there is one point per quarter? that means that the sales of Q4 were record high and loss is seen first on Q1, which is 5 weeks pre WP and 7 weeks post. The slope is less steep because of the sales of the first 5 weeks. After feb11 sales crashed, and the real fall is seen in Q2. So the graph you quote for me enhances the opinion that elop killed the sales

mikecomputing 2011-07-26 19:42
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
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Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1058822)
have you noticed that there is one point per quarter? that means that the sales of Q4 were record high and loss is seen first on Q1, which is 5 weeks pre WP and 7 weeks post. The slope is less steep because of the sales of the first 5 weeks. After feb11 sales crashed, and the real fall is seen in Q2. So the graph you quote for me enhances the opinion that elop killed the sales
problem is todays MicroNokia board doesnt give a **** if they fail in Q3 too :( Q3 will also fail cause they stupid enought too "wait" release n9 until end of september. What the hell is wrong with the fuucking board!? are they totally blind or what!? Iphone soon coomming if they smart the release n9 right NOW!

but no I see only one reason to wait: that means first in q4 it will be better and when they give us the report in q1 2011 it may look it was "because wp was released in some countrys end of 2011" that way it :LOOKS like it is WP that "saves" Nokia even if N9 could have a chance to sell even better if it was release right now!

I am sure N9 is already ready for release but theyre waiting :(

but still.I cant see a better device for my needs but sick of waiting. I

gerbick 2011-07-26 21:14
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1058811)
Yeah... but Steve Jobs didn't have to fight a Steve Jobs, to become who he is today.
He did have a Bill Gates to contend with though.

marxian 2011-07-26 21:28
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1058883)
He did have a Bill Gates to contend with though.
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/621...2622h27m39.png

Even further OT: I think John DiMaggio would have made a better CEO than Steve Ballmer. :)

hotnikkelz 2011-07-26 22:10
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Marxian...your'e the author of the cutetube app?

You're awesome, that is all.

qwazix 2011-07-27 00:13
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1058883)
He did have a Bill Gates to contend with though.
he carefully chose not to, lately...

jo21 2011-07-27 01:01
Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1058662)
I'm getting tired of refuting all idiots here (seriously I am), but anyway. The numbers are very clear:
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...s-smartpho.php
What you see is the number of phones sent out by Nokia. A negative effect regarding sales from stores and operators will take 6-8 weeks. The top is at Q4 2010, this means that with the 6-8 weeks of lag, the real top was September-October 2010. That is when it started going down hill. Nokia knew this of course, they observe every thing going on in the market. From that time on, they "only" sold N8. Right now it seems that sales are going fast down-hill, but it is actually flattened according to Nokia. The worst loss is over. Meanwhile Android is still growing, so in relative terms (market share) Nokia will lose more. What the N9 and WP will do ramains to be seen.

thats Christmas sales... even android have it drops about that time.

only ones that didn't feel the effect was apple and samsung

Q1 are always smaller, than Q4 normally, but they eventually stabilize if u see graphic well, it goes down like jumping from a cliff in Q1. THATS feb 11th.

at that moment samsung,htc sales skyrocket

even motorola that was going slowe,r stabilize.


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