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You seems to forgot that Apple first sued Nokia!?

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Wooohooo... like those one-time Hyper-V (their own product) patches that in 2009 were submitted? You're kidding.

Microsoft don't contribute to the kernel as such. Microsoft released some
kernel level drivers for getting Linux to work on Hyper-V virtualization. These were put into the kernel-staging area, and then were left there unmaintained for a while.

When the maintainer of the staging branch threatened to drop the drivers, Microsoft engineers started with updating them again. Soon, activity dropped off, and i think they are still being staging-only (in German only).

And it seems they still have issues...

Yeah, drink the kool-aid...

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Nice then they can come back later sue companys using linux WOHA.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 

Nokia sued Apple first for not paying wireless tech license fees.

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Wow. I point out a contribution, one that places MS in the top seven of contributors to the already closed-source binary blob riddled Linux kernel (more and more each iteration), it's safe to say that people are overlooking that Microsoft actually does contribute to Linux.

Not that they are not quite self-serving, as is Apple who's not yet released all versions and iterations of their contributions to Webkit.

Again, showing how a company that makes the minority of their money from open source does not tend to do much for the community, unless it's quite self-serving.

Red Hat would be basically the complete opposite. Without the Linux community, they would not have the revenue they currently enjoy via support and advancement of their chosen platform.

Now, let's let cooler heads prevail for a moment. That's nothing new. Not at all.

Kool-aid? No thank you. It offends my taste buds. As does a lot of the rhetoric in this thread that does not know the whole picture enough to talk about parts of it they do not know about. Microsoft contributes, but only to benefit themselves. Apple contributes, yet holds back code occasionally. Google contributes, but has held an entire iteration of their OS back from AOSP (Honeycomb) and have forked in so many different ways they've created a potential problem in the near future.

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Some of these discussions remind me of the time I was listening to my nephew (6 yrs old back then) talked about how his dog (a border collie) would win in a fight against a T-Rex.

Of course I nodded and smiled at him back then.

Now he's older and much smarter... got good common sense too.

ps: no, I'm not alluding that the border collie is a metaphor of nokia, or ms, or apple... just that we have different comprehension level of things.

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At least Elop is starting to understand that it wasn't the smartest of moves to set everything on fire before there was something besides the ashes to sell.

"Our new strategy introduced ambiguity," admitted CEO Stephen Elop.

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I'd still say the lesson hasn't been learned quite yet:

That's not saying that the N9 is the Nokia savior, it's not. But to take a potentially selling phone and limit its distribution and continue to push WP7 - I'd love to see real world numbers for interest in Nokia's WP7 future offerings - isn't a lesson learned.

I'd say a lesson learned would be to introduce a Mango phone sooner than later and see how well it sells. And start with a Plan B just in case - this "all-in" strategy has never worked for Nokia.

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Oh dear, another 3 quarters without competitive handsets (except the N9). Without any groundbreaking annoucements (like cheap s40 with full touch), nokia will make big losses til some date next year (and maybe even after that). Ouch. Honestly I think they should do android handsets as a backup.

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Elop confirmed that the orphan N9 Linux phone will be "regional" only, and that volume shipments of Windows-based devices won't materialise until next year. ®

this guy is CRAZY. and yet they have to create a market for it since htc samsung lg,dell acer failed. if wp7 doesnt make a miracble in Q1 2012 nokia its in big trouble.

it looks like i wont be able to find a n9 cheap on amazon or my central american country after all :/

samsung/apple any of u get multitasking+xenon flash i am urs.

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First Apple horror show and now Nokia horror show. Well, from a corporate point of view Elop (and the rest of Nokia administration) is a genius, or at least it is first class business handywork. They are in deep ****, far above their heads, still they manage to make money. Now, if they only were half as good making/renewing Symbian some 2-3 years ago, none of this would have happened, but that's another matter.

This means that the cooperation with MS isn't all that important as we might believe regarding Nokias survival. It means that the N9 will live on. It means S40 is the future. Nokia must have known where this was heading at least a year ago, and what we are seeing now is a masterpiece of cutting losses and simultaneously they are building the new future fighting off uncertainties along the way. But again, if they only were half as good fixing symbian some 2-3 years ago.

:D That is one way of looking at this, the positive way, the correct way. Looking forward to mid August (tablet), then September (N9) and Bada 2.0, October (S40+WP).

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I... think that you're actually being serious. Wow.

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i think it was rauha that told me to stop arguing with him.

the guy its either too fanboy and stupid, or getting paid/works to spread crap.

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I'm not arguing with him at all. No need.

But it's rather rare that I turn 180 degrees and agree with a term I previously never believed in. Astroturfing works, even Ars Technica agrees...

Oh well.

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Don't forget Sony-Ericsson,

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/fdd8908c-d...#axzz1SnqRxmNM

then they hit reality and saw that sales were not good and decided not to release any more Windows (insert new marketing name) phones.

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I read about that too, but it talks about 'pro' level astroturfing though... when it's done with some some marketing work (website, pamphlets, etc) masquerading as legitimate nonprofits and whatnot.

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That person's level of commitment is pretty damn "pro level" to me man.

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rofl!

i meant with pro-level marketing spending then the generated image would lend more credibility to the message.

he doesn't have much of that.

pe: moreover, what worked (against me) were those astroturfers with ambiguous names (Donated by people like you, Friends of xxx, and so forth)

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Yeah... I was merely joshing. But I totally get what you meant the first time. I just have to state that it's rather entertaining now.

I read his posts in the voice of Brian Blessed trying to whisper.

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HEHEHEHE go for it my son go for it :D

PISS them ALL off with the truth ;)

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LOL and your are right person saying that? hahaha

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They following what the buyers "want" with help of MicroNokias marketing of WP they will come back using wp 2012 when people is sick of android and thinks "WP is sooo coool"

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truth LOL no one here can take this thread serious :O its just FUD, Flamewar ********, trolling and angry discussions and personal attacks.

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I do not often thank you but this time you deserve it because what you just said is fact.

In all my life i have never read so much adulterated CRAP from these people on this thread.

NONE of you have got eyes or the head to see clear because your all wrapped up in hatred sooo much your all blind totally to the real situation.

PS directed at the argumentative people on this thread.

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I dare you to make less sense.

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Gerbick man you got to agree surely and as i do read your posts with great interest sometimes i might add, the arguments are well ott sorry to say.

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i sorry no hablo ignorante O.o.

wp7 is dead, deal with it.

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It's my honour to reward you the NSS prize.
I would have thought it would be pretty obvious that scraping Windows Mobile after the poor sales numbers is exactly the same as following "what buyers want".

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What you meant to say was the OLD wp7 is dead !.

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It will be interesting to see everyones opinion when we end up with a mobile version of windows on a mobile phone either end of the year or next year :p

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Just think.... you get the os that has just about every driver going and use it even for the N900 and hey presto you got an N900 fully configured on windows mobile :D only problem is you got no ram hahahaha oh well back to square one i guess lol.

Re: Another proof Elop is a trojan horse
 

Are you high? Get some help, please.

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HAHAHAHA that was about as funny as it gets so i had to thank it :D

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There you go you just answered your own question to me ;).

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I see. Still no point in even trying to have serious dialogue with you. Allways dodging question or moving the goalposts. Just waste of time and bandwidth.

Back to ignore.

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Hang on a minute here, are you that naive that you think Nokia will produce millions of devices for M/S free of charge? oh please do me a favour will you and at least talk sense !.

I didnt aswer your question because you answered it yourself :p.

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Nope they would actually be paying MS so that they could "produce millions of devices for M/S"

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Now your dreaming because as this is a partnership it will pay Nokia much profit per unit so work out the averages and it could well mean Nokia will rocket its shares and stocks if and when the devices start selling in millions, that after all is the goal here.

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lol nokia sells millions hahahahaah

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Who do you actually hate jo? :p