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Is this guy for real ????????.

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know what?
you are about to join no, bbq, se and a bunch others on mine...

then why did you bother coming on it today, if i may ask?


if you sincerely want to have a "discussion", maybe you should take some interest in the topic 1st?
but i'll give you a break on this one...
what are you interest in, that got your arse into Maemo.org's council?

i start to understand a number of things...

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If this guy is an example of council of TMO then i am not suprised it is going down the pan.

He understands very well just being totally ignorant to anything but his own thoughts i guess.

I reckon his last couple of posts should go sticky as a perfect example of ignorance.

I am totally shocked and dismayed. :(

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Well keep it up, man. It seems that you're making huge progress.

Are you on crack?
Have you ever heard of sarcasm?

When someone has consistently shown a certain behavior/stance, then do consider sarcasm when you see them say/do something against the norm.

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Feel free :-)

Because I care about what happens to repository, garage etc and want so see them alive even after Nokia stops paying the bills.

And... why not?

This thread has already degenerated into dozens of topics. I suggested we move the one I'm interested in to another thread specific to it. What is your objection to that exactly?

Whoa. I am not, and have never been in the maemo.org community council. What made you think so?

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Unlike you i do not come on here to deliberatly use mind games to provoke people into argument as i think that is a rather creepy way to be and as for your words, if you dont mean them then dont say them is simple as that really.

Sarcasm is your first name by the way ! and yes i have read every single one of your posts a few weeks back to know what i am talking about ! and anyone doing so will come up with the same definition of you.

Now i fight you on your own terms right here in public !.

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/ignore feature is amazing.

u dont have to read abill_uk 13 year old mentality posts.

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how would you know they are 13 yr old mentality posts if he is on your ignore list?

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you bet!


caring is nice. what are you doing, apart from posts on lost threads?
the ultimate answer to the ultimate question is why not.
the ultimate question being why.


none.
following abill's post in that sense he started a new thread on which we continued our chat about the council and other "unrelated" matters.
beside, i started having a look @ a thread about Maemo Fremantle's future. but i'm hopeful not coming across any of your posts there, right?

my mistake.
won't happen again as you just joined bbq, fahadj2k3. micpc, nooo and se on my ignore list.
i don't believe in the "he whose name is not spoken" hocus pocus but with nowadays crawler & update features, you can't be too careful to avoid getting into a flame war, right?
:D

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sad to see the plight...

sick company,

and a council that doesnt engage the wider audience.

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I consider this flame-war trolling and troll feeding as ended, further comments on the topic?

(You can guess that "in a bad mood" I will go back through the whole thread and give infraction points to anyone because of anything worth giving infraction points just because the conversation continues like that!)

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Hi lma,

I will discuss infrastructure in another thread. But I think community should not take action until after next election (Sept.) because it will allow community input. Also, some things will shake out in the harmattan/MeeGo world in the next couple months.

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apologises if i caused you any inconvenience. i tried to keep the tone as matter of factly as possible.
if i had realised sooner that lma isn't member of the council, i wouldn't even have started it in the 1st place

that is indeed the saddest part of all this.

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And this is your answer to the questions being asked on here? to give what points???? jesus i have now witnessed just about everything now.

Members are trying hard to find out the future of TMO and you come in as a super moderator threatning people with infraction points, this will really make you popular i think.

You could be much more helpfull to us members and give us a clue as to what is going on regarding the future of Maemo.org as let's face it we are all concerned !.

Please stop with the threats because it is just not the way forward at a critical time like this but if you feel you MUST give infraction points then look at the people who have came in with derogatory comments such as ysss and jo21 AND also look at the posts of lma because he has not exactly been fair either.

While you at it please also consider that i started a new thread for ranting in the attempt to keep this one clean but alas it did not work, oh well i did try.

NO ONE HAS COME ON THIS THREAD FROM THE COUNCIL TO ADVISE US AS YET.

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chemist,

pardon me for my ignorance, but who are you?
even though he formulated it more vividly, i guess abill asked the same sort of question.

are you a purely technical admin of the (forum) site?
are you a member of the council?
are you a technical admin here on behalf of the council?

to put my question in simple layman's terms, what is your authority?
are you some sort of Judge Dredd, judge and executioner @ once?

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As much as i can not agree with everything he has said THIS is scary stuff and said well.

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Again, the council is not a governing body. They are a representative and coordinating body. They did not start this thread in order issue a pronouncement; they started it to begin discussion within the community. Unfortunately, you've buried that.

chemist is a super moderator, which means he has moderator rights in all t.m.o forums, not just a select few. He was not appointed by the council. Instead, Reggie, as the sole admin of t.m.o, is the only one who can make someone moderator or super moderator.

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@misterc, by "company" I meant Nokia - a corporation that doesnt care a damn about its customers...

@moderators, i agree most discussions border on troll discussions... but do you know why??? It is because the council is useless in providing direction or clarity to the people... In my honest opinion, the current council is useless in providing direction to the wider community, and therefore not competent enough to be such in the first place.... 2 years and the community couldnt even bargain sh@t from Nokia..... we dont even know what progress was made apart from gaining moderator rights to ban people for speaking the truth....

Please provide direction! and Deliver results!!! We stop being trolls and will follow you...

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Thank god we got pali doing something for everyone as you can see on his thread.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75174

Look at particular his opening post and the number of thanks he got as it shows just how much we all want Maemo.

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Here's one of the bedtime stories I read my son last night:

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Thankyou for your post and interesting to read.

I feel this thread has come at a rather difficult time for all and as no one seems to know where to point what in terms of the future of TMO could you please advise us a better option than this thread? if any.

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I dont want to be a troll, but what do we want
1. We wish the council stops being a marketing channel for N9 for Nokia,
2. Serve the interests of CSSU and atleast get some code for all the closed source components.

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daperl,

chemist expressly state the flame war ended.
maybe you should make that kind of posts on abill's thread?
nobody could possibly argue a post's derogative nature there ;)

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The biggest problem with the N9 is when it eventually does hit the stores it will push Maemo and the N900 even further back and before you know it we will have little or no choices left regarding Maemo.

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Maemo started with the 770, released in 2005. It has been for far longer than two years that this community has encouraged Nokia to open more code, far longer than the Community Council has existed.

There has been progress made. Not as much as we'd like, but certainly, more pieces of Fremantle are open than were open in OS2005, and at the same time, 100% open source is unrealistic for a number of reasons.

Also, from Nokia's perspective, MeeGo is an outgrowth of Maemo, and a fair bit of additional, formerly proprietary Nokia pieces were fully open sourced for that transition, so that's further progress.

As I've said, the Community Council doesn't govern the community. Nor do they have authority over Nokia. Blaming the Council, particularly just the current members, for Nokia not fully open sourcing Maemo is unreasonable.

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Fair comment but sadly i have to disagree with you mainly because THE only real link between Nokia and Maemo is in fact this community.

I feel a lot lot more should have been done by this community to get the much wanted code out of Nokia than it has done.

I also feel this community head(s) listen's to Nokia far too much and not to its members.

I am a bit in the dark about this but thanks to posts like yours we are learning more so thankyou !.

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As you've said, and I'll admit to some curiosity as to what specific processes you've thought of on how that might have been accomplished. However, should you be interested in expounding upon that, I ask you to do so in a new thread so this one might focus on its purpose: maemo.org.

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point taken :o
apologises for having insisted so heavily on the council's ineffectiveness, but my frustration, and i'm obviously not alone with that problem, is about the current council and the current situation.

are you a member of the Council, by any chance?

like IcyMoustache, abill, myself and probably others have pointed out, Maemo.org is @ a crossroad right now.
we need to choose between going down the same road as OS200x (where x in {5, 6,7,8} ) and hope that NOKIA won't pull the plug before our N900s go south.
or build some sort of arch and sail out of the NOKIA waters with as much (open sourced) code we can possibly get & try to replace anything missing before NOKIA pulls the plug.

does the Council want to lead the community through this situation?

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I have tried to show how much interest in Maemo exsisted on this community by the poll i started http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73419 but sadly it was closed for reasons beyond my control of flaming trolling and un-needed arguments by the communities own members of old, closed by chemist.

This poll could have eventually brought out some good answers if it had been moderated properly and left to continue as it did not have a time limit.

The interest IS there for Maemo as i think no one will doubt but what to do about the code and Nokia is something not one person can deal with i feel.

Maemo.org is supposed to be for Maemo and what with the decisions made by Nokia to end all development it means this community is all that is left to carry on with Maemo development, that sadly has drastically dwained and is a big setback for all Maemo enthusiasts and i feel the council of this community could have done more to help.

You asked me so i gave you my thoughts on the matter.

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I notice you've asked a couple of times if people were on the council, you can check out who is on the current council (and on previous councils) via the wiki

i think there's been a lot of harsh words about the community written here that aren't warranted. To a certain extent you get as much out of the community as you put in. And really, if you have concerns over the council or it's direction then please consider putting your nomination forward for the next elections (which won't be far away). Candidates are always sought after.

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Just to clear up a point i already know who the council members are and i will give the names.....

Randall Arnold (Texrat)

Alan Bruce (qole)

Attila Csipa (Achipa/Attila77)

RM Bauer (sd69)

Felipe Crochik (fcrochik)

sd69 just posted on here by the way.

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I feel that if anyone should come on this thread and give us all a good explanation it should be texrat as he is normally a fair and good guy.

BUT his last few blogs have been about MeeGo so i guess he is really keen on that subject right now but never the less he is the one that could throw some light on all this in my opinion.

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thank you for the link.
much appreciated, indeed.

me on the Council?
i could list you quotes from my own post highlighting how unconvinced i am about comities, but that would of course just provide ammunition to those who keep posting that i'm nothing but a troll.
so, i'll be honest, i already posted the link on the thread before, so did abill, rather then going down the OS200x path, i'm looking into the arch option.

i don't believe NOKIA will let us down early, simply because it would damage their image as a trustworthy manufacturer much more then pulling out of Symbian or even not producing as much N9s as the world would like to buy.

what i'm more worried about is that the wp adventure goes so badly wrong that Dell or HP or IBM or whatever IT company which feels the need to make a quick entry in the "mobile market" grabs the shares, takes over the Intellectual Property and sells the HW to some Chinese manufacturer.
that would make the situation sort of real tight, i think.
though we might actually get our so much wanted source code :p

hoping for the best, planning for the worst...

PS: what is my karma? i know the concept in Indian religion, but don't quite see how it translates here?

PPS: how many ppl on Maemo.org do have a karma > 100?
dito > 10?

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welcome :)

Karma is maemo.org's way of measuring how active each member has been in the maemo.org community. Basically, the more you post on here and the more 'thanks' you receive, wikis you edit, any code contributed to the repos, bugs reported, packages you test, etc gets you a little bit more karma. Over time it builds up. You can read more about it here

As it says on the wiki, posts on here only count after linking your maemo.org profiles. If you havent already done it, you can find out here.

You can check your current karma on your profile

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¦-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
i'll take it that settles the question about me getting on the Council (or even votting, for that matter)?

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I believe you've overlooked the suggestion to link your accounts.

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i did link my account after having a 1st look @ my karma.
the karma didn't change, which i was sort of expecting as i haven't developed or tested anything yet.

1st reaction was actually "where would i have a karma from, if not from my posts ?!?"

and as i pointed out earlier, even though i sincerely hope that business will continue as usual for any foreseeable future, i'm going to spend time on testing new OSS replacements for closed components rather then developing of testing stuff within the semi-closed environment right now :-{
respectively contribute to set up such an environment, 1st ¦:-}

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The karma calculation only runs every so often. If you just linked your accounts today, you'll need to wait at least a day or two to see a change.

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Forking was never my intention.
We keep in touch with CSSU devs and synchronize often.
Ideally Cordia will run the same Hildon codebase as CSSU.

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Fantastic to hear! My apologies. I'm aware of the project, but aside from checking out the website and watching your videos, I've not had much call to dig into it as I'm not fussed about meego right now. I just assumed that as the underlying OSes were so different that you'd be effectively building a look-and-fell-alike rather than a port. My bad.