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meego99 2011-07-13 12:39
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
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Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1049935)
What spike? I have a hard time seeing the little red 'spike' you described. I DO clearly see the N8's trend up, but the N9 is damn hard to make out--looks more like a flatline. If that's a spike somewhere in there, it's a pretty sharp rise and fall.. making it very, very needle thin. Looking for it amongst the rest of those is like finding a needle, alright.
Here is the comparison between N8 and N9. When N8 was announced in april of 2010 (A), you see a spike, when N9 was announced (F), there is a spike bigger than N8. N8 however maintained the interest, but N9 spike quickly petered out. You can get better resolution if you change windows of time on the right.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=nokia...ate=all&sort=0

electroaudio 2011-07-13 12:47
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
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Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 1049629)
Talk about going backwards!
Backwards is the new forward!


http://my-symbian.com/s80/galeria/04.jpg
-imagine this keyboard with maemo :)

qwazix 2011-07-13 13:08
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1050112)
And yet the original iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS all outsold the N900.

Because it's a dumbphone or your choice of phone has "true" multi-tasking - the 3GS is still supported, will get iOS 5, is readily available and people still buy it.

I think the concept of marketing a product to the masses is lost on folks when they concentrate on such small things that in the end don't really affect sales for the consumer that will actually buy the thing.

Simply put, concentrate on those things you like. Sooner than later, those things will no longer be around. Ask the Zaurus group. Ask the BeOS lovers. Ask the OS/2 lovers. All of those things had killer features that somehow didn't help it sell.

Same for Maemo. Not a mainstream seller. Not going to continue getting support. Hell, this website's future is somewhat of a danger (unknown future that is) because of the lack of support and ultimately sales have done for this platform.

"It's the best!" - I know you're probably thinking that. But it quite didn't sell the best. Or else we'd not be having any of these discussions.

Marketing. Hitting what folks truly want. Selling it in numbers that support those features. Maemo didn't do any of that for Nokia. Thus the drop of support - if it sold in the millions, Nokia would have dedicated more to it.

Or would you rather I say that the N900 got outsold by a dumbphone. By a lot. Even the Nokia 5800 outsold the N900.
1. They didn't want it to sell millions, even the crappiest ever N97 sold millions
2. Symbian still sells millions, I don't see nokia dedicating more to it

lma 2011-07-13 16:35
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
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Originally Posted by zlatokosi (Post 1049967)
For me, the lack of phone functionality was something I desperately needed with the NIT's, so when the N900 was announced I was ecstatic. Lugging around two devices just wasn't cutting it anymore (if ever).
I'm still fine doing that, and actually like having the cellular radio on a separate battery, so the real computer is still functional even if the connectivity is out of juice. I admit I don't need cellular voice at all though.

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It was also a logical conclusion, I mean, if I can VOIP it, why can't I make a normal cell call, it does say NOKIA on the screen...
May I point you to: It is not a cell phone -- and it is good

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I don't believe, however, that Nokia turned Maemo into a phone OS. The cell functions were prioritized on top of Maemo, yes, but apart from that and the homescreen/desktop view, there really wasn't much of a difference in the user experience between OS2008 and Maemo 5.
I found a huge difference. Priority was given to making it "finger friendly" and "optimised for one-handed use" to the detriment of everything else. Input methods in particular were completely massacred to accommodate this. Then there's "kinetic" scrolling versus scrollbars, the way many apps / widgets stopped showing a lot of relevant information in order to make all remaining UI elements "thumbable" (which raises the question, what's the 800x480 resolution for?) etc.

The other side of this is the hardware, An N8x0 might be a bit large to hold to your ear, but I found the N900's screen way too small to use comfortably (and the size made all of the above worse). And the third side is that that little radio tends to turn everyone into control freaks. If putting a cellular modem into the N900 means the user has to put up with cherry or the SIM deciding which wifi channels can be seen, I'd rather not have it thank you very much.

gerbick 2011-07-13 17:47
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
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Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1050131)
1. They didn't want it to sell millions, even the crappiest ever N97 sold millions
Excuse my harshness here... but it's incredibly daft to believe that something released would not be wanted to sell millions. Why the **** would you release something and hope that it doesn't sell millions?

Seriously... that's the oft-repeated mantra part that makes me wonder if any of you folks at TMO understand what marketshare, marketing and above all why you produce any thing at all and then sell it only to sell it to your very small niche/clique of friends which ultimately lands it in jeopardy in regards to future support and releases.

Makes zero business sense unless you want it to fail.

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2. Symbian still sells millions, I don't see nokia dedicating more to it
It's in a state where repair, retooling and making it modern would cost more, thus it would end up changing its market positioning.

It's an investment that they might not have been willing to make even before Elop came aboard.

Didn't want it to sell millions. Seriously!?

erendorn 2011-07-13 18:03
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
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Originally Posted by lma (Post 1050276)
I'm still fine doing that, and actually like having the cellular radio on a separate battery, so the real computer is still functional even if the connectivity is out of juice.
Yep, you can bring along a mp3 so you can still listen to some music, and a gps, and a psp... not so pocketable then.
Most people want to carry only one device around because
- it takes less space
- it cost less
Also, IM, email, and the web in general works better with 3G when you are not at home.

This is of course a matter of preference for the first point (the ipad sold in huge numbers), and possibly of location/continent for the second.

JamesBond@ge 2011-07-13 18:04
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
Look here FFS. They didn't want it to sell millions because.....

It's our little secret!

It's true.

misterc 2011-07-13 18:08
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1050311)
Excuse my harshness here... but it's incredibly daft to believe that something released would not be wanted to sell millions. Why the **** would you release something and hope that it doesn't sell millions?

Seriously... that's the oft-repeated mantra part that makes me wonder if any of you folks at TMO understand what marketshare, marketing and above all why you produce any thing at all and then sell it only to sell it to your very small niche/clique of friends which ultimately lands it in jeopardy in regards to future support and releases.

Makes zero business sense unless you want it to fail.



It's in a state where repair, retooling and making it modern would cost more, thus it would end up changing its market positioning.

It's an investment that they might not have been willing to make even before Elop came aboard.

Didn't want it to sell millions. Seriously!?
Seriously!
dixit Jo Harlow, Executive Vice President, Smart Devices the N9 is an early-adopter tech geek device.
the same as the N900.

they certainly didn't intend the N900 to move masses, but even the N9 was not aimed at the average customer.
that's maybe why they have all those Symbian devices rolling out?
they know it is not future proof any more, but it still has enough juice in it to sell a few million of units for every model that comes out.
and S40 is here to stay, thus Symbian^3, however distantly (un-)related can carry on as well.

will have to, once wp vanishes quicker then it ghosted around and Symbian will be all that NOKIA will be left with.

erendorn 2011-07-13 18:10
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1050311)
Why the **** would you release something and hope that it doesn't sell millions?
I don't really disagree, but still, I think selling is an active and costly process.
Selling the first devices is free, because there are curious people (or stupid one, if your device is really crap).
Then if you want to sell more, you need to spend on marketing, with convex costs. So there is always a point when you don't want to sell more (you can still wish you would sell more, though).

So it really depends on if you understand "wanting" as "wishing" or "intending".

Rauha 2011-07-13 18:13
Re: Nokia: The End Of The Line (Magazine article inside)
 
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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1050321)

will have to, once wp vanishes quicker then it ghosted around and Symbian will be all that NOKIA will be left with.
Not really. Nokia is handing Symbian to Accenture for euthanasia.


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