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ysss	2011-08-05 16:11

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 1064707)

Maybe forum software that would allow option to ignore whole threads, if they have messages from people on ignore. I would actually like something like that.

You can potentially miss out threads of interest if someone in your ignore list is a prolific poster though.

Manual ignoring (of threads) sounds good. There's already a thread rating (those 5 stars) mechanism that may be used to semi-automate this option.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064708)

Think bigger: Total Disappearance. And as a quick example of the reach, imagine if Good Member A were to quote Troll Member T from Good Member B's troll list. If so configured, Good Member A could see that his post AND ITS TIMESTAMP were ignored by another member. And, if Good Member A chose to do so, they could could investigate further, but only as far as their and other's privileges would allow.

I could go on and on, but I think you get the basic picture. It could be very powerful, very simple, and very configurable.

Sounds kinky :D

Yes, I'd like to contribute via donation too.

abill_uk

2011-08-05 16:14

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by Grok (Post 1064706)

I post sporadically on these boards, but I visit almost every day.

abill_uk..... I think you have made useful contributions. I think it's your british wit that doesn't translate to print very well (like the quote above) I've had had differences of opinion with other members like ysss and pradabada, I usually make an incredibly intelligent and inciteful post or two and then let the fellow members sort it out. Sometimes I feel like I want to have an "IM" type discussion on the forum but that's when I realize that maybe I should cool off and wait a while before responding....... or take it to PM.

I know there are no winners on the forums or the internet.

I've been a moderator on various forums and every time you apply rules, the inbox lights up! It isn't all praise, you can never make everyone happy.

It's not all about you, me, ysss or anybody. It's not about right or wrong, it's the internet for crying out loud!

It's about the journey, kinda like Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory, you have to enjoy the good stuff, avoid the bad stuff and brush your teeth regularly.:D

Pretty existential huh? :eek:

AHA yes and i agree with you but your post is not long enough on this subject :p it should contain a few pages in my estimation hahaha.

We got such a vast difference of people and nationalities even down to religion that posts on here.

I am getting maybe just a tad too serious and should listen more to my own words and like you said take a trot down to willy wonka's choc heaven hahaha boy do i remember that movie !.

A few onhere are damm good posters you included but is a shame for it to be spoilt by some so i guess your right... in more ways than one !.

Thankyou for the comments, very noted ;) and can we have more people like you on here please ? your a breath of fresh air !!!.

Thankyou.

misterc

2011-08-05 16:21

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064708)

don't follow your example, sorry
nominally, i have nooo on my ignore list.
so i wouldn't see your (& Rauha's,) post(s) @ all?
or would i just not see the quote?

without wanting to sound negative, i see a potential for performance issue even only to display a page of 10 posts.... not to speak of the (dead) locks when posting at a busy time.
then again, i don't know how the software you were referring to works; does it use sqlite in the back-end?

daperl

2011-08-05 16:22

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1064716)

Yes, I'd like to contribute via donation too.

But that's the beautiful part, you wouldn't even have to, the budget would be in the council's proposal submitted to the bill-payer, Nokia. And of course the only losers here would be the attention whoring trolls.

misterc

2011-08-05 16:30

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

well,

if you are thinking about improving the sw on this site... could you add an outbox to their messaging system, maybe?

ysss	2011-08-05 16:30

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064726)

If that's the case, will they also want the plugin for meego's forum?

At any rate, if there's a donate button I'm sure a few of us would like to buy you a beer or something ;)

daperl

2011-08-05 16:38

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064725)

does it use sqlite in the back-end?

Texrat

2011-08-05 16:38

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064726)

I'm in .

daperl

2011-08-05 16:43

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1064729)

If that's the case, will they also want the plugin for meego's forum?

Which one? :)

Quote:

At any rate, if there's a donate button I'm sure a few of us would like to buy you a beer or something ;)

I would accept a beer, but this would be free as in freedom. :eek:

ysss	2011-08-05 16:47

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

@daperl: whichever one ends up with least moderation I guess :D

a (free) beer in exchange for a tool to keep peace within a framework of (free)dom sounds like a good deal to me.

misterc

2011-08-05 17:27

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064733)

MySQL then it is
which sort of confirms my thoughts (also by the "plug-in" part...)
so you are just going to write your code & hope the back-end will handle it?
lovely
then again, maybe Reggie will be able to get a new web server paid by NOKIA? :D

daperl

2011-08-05 17:47

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064753)

so you are just going to write your code & hope the back-end will handle it?

Hope wouldn't be needed; this would be nothing more than a blip for the servers. Maybe you should just trust in the dynamic page generation professionals, because I warn you, if I have to whip out my credentials, you could get hurt.

misterc

2011-08-05 18:18

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064767)

trust?
trust is good, control is better :cool:
i take it, QC isn't high on your list, is it?

whip me?
you may want to skip the appetizers and get right away to the molten iron ¦-))))))

daperl

2011-08-05 18:22

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064777)

trust?
trust is good, control is better :cool:
i take it, QC isn't high on your list, is it?

This is the part where I would click your name and you would never be heard from again. Pretty cool, huh?

misterc

2011-08-05 18:40

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064780)

This is the part where I would click your name and you would never be heard from again. Pretty cool, huh?

sure thing
as i said, self convinced developer who doesn't care to go thru test and acceptance...
you still haven't explained what exactly your wonder click would do, but i'll skip the small talk.
what you are thinking of, in whatever form, requires multiple joins on the "ignore list" table. trust me, from a performance point of view, no matter how good your "page writing skills" are, on any relational DB this is literally a killer feature.

well, let's look @ the sunny side.
when your plug-in comes, TMO will melt down & never be heard of again.
might eventually get somewhere :D

gerbick

2011-08-05 18:42

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

This circular conversation accomplishes exactly what again? I need a clue.

ysss	2011-08-05 18:57

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

I think there's some sort of underground competition to get on as many ignore lists as possible.

misterc

2011-08-05 19:00

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1064794)

This circular conversation accomplishes exactly what again? I need a clue.

is it so difficult to follow a discussion.
if nothing else, just click on the {username} => links & look @ what you get...
if ppl were doing this a little bit more often, we wouldn't have so much misunderstanding all the time.

but i'll be a good prince...

daperl offered to write a new feature for the forum software
among fan-mail, i asked for a specific example of what his/her code would do based on a concrete situation on that very thread @ that very moment...
never got an answer to that, btw...
so after some back and forth where daperl was getting less and less specific and more and more hurt, i eventually posted my doubts about the possible performance impact of whatever s/he had in mind

any question left?
true, the whole discussion is use less
why didn't you ask your rhetorical question among all the "fan mail"?
even Texrat joined in for that...

Texrat

2011-08-05 19:22

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

daperl is a SHE?

misterc

2011-08-05 19:27

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1064810)

daperl is a SHE?

happy?
btw, when you (moderators) look @ a thread, your IDs don't show on the list but you still add up to the number of ppl viewing as members.
maybe a real bug daperl could help fix?

ysss	2011-08-05 19:27

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

No.

Just one of many wrong assumptions made (and acted upon) resulting in poor communication.

gerbick

2011-08-05 19:50

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

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Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064802)

is it so difficult to follow a discussion.

When it makes no sense as to why it's ongoing, yes. It is quite difficult to follow a discussion.

And why are you handing out free sex changes?

sjgadsby

2011-08-05 19:56

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064814)

btw, when you (moderators) look @ a thread, your IDs don't show on the list but you still add up to the number of ppl viewing as members.

That's not moderators; that's people who have checked the "Use Invisible Mode" box. Granted, those sets do intersect.

(And some people can see invisible people.)

daperl

2011-08-05 20:03

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064793)

what you are thinking of, in whatever form, requires multiple joins on the "ignore list" table.

You're thinking too big and too unoptimized. Any joins would be very small, number matrix joins of data that would only be fetched once per page request in the worst case:

requesting member ignore list uids x post "quoted user" uids (mostly 1, rarely >= 2, often 0)

And of the three major steps of normal forum usage, these small, simple comparisons would only be needed in steps two and three.

Some server-side functions that would need modifying:

Add, change or delete a post
Request a list of unread threads
Request a thread

misterc

2011-08-05 20:05

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 1064825)

That's not moderators; that's people who have checked the "Use Invisible Mode" box. Granted, those sets do intersect.

(And some people can see invisible people.)

i'm sure you can :rolleyes:
well, that leaves the outbox to be added...

BTW: what are you afraid off, that you don't want to show your ID?
:D

misterc

2011-08-05 20:29

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

matrix?
i'd see a tensor / 3rd dimension (10 posts per page)?

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064828)

And of the three major steps of normal forum usage, these small, simple comparisons would only be needed in steps two and three.

you see, this is where i start having a problem...
what if your feature has such a success that everybody starts adding 1/2 a dozen ppl to his/her ignore list...

user opens forum page
for all the authors of posts on that page, check normal ignore list
for all posts with quote, check if quoted author is on ignore list
- like i put on the 1st quote now, i removed the ID part thus you are not identified as author any more but it's still your post, isn't it?
- my main problem, i still don't understand what more / else you intend to implement, thus...
simply don't display a post quoting an listed author?
- what if a post quotes several posts from different authors?

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064828)

Some server-side functions that would need modifying:

Add, change or delete a post
Request a list of unread threads
Request a thread

when i see your last list, i can't help feeling i'm missing something here...
like i said, not clear to me what your feature will achieve, thus tricky to asses the impacts. which is a no-no in terms of development. no offence.

daperl

2011-08-05 20:52

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064840)

thus tricky to asses the impacts. which is a no-no in terms of development.

One of the most beautiful things about the web is that if you want to know the impact of a new feature, you've already collected the test data.

misterc

2011-08-05 20:55

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1064823)

When it makes no sense as to why it's ongoing, yes. It is quite difficult to follow a discussion.

[...]

two things...

just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, does it, now?
check the 1st post of this thread, and then.. .... ...

misterc

2011-08-05 20:59

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064850)

One of the most beautiful things about the web is that if you want to know the impact of a new feature, you've already collected the test data.

so you are feeding the rambling (and trolling) web with rambling (and trolling?) features, are you? ;)

daperl

2011-08-05 21:16

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064855)

so you are feeding the rambling (and trolling) web with rambling (and trolling?) features, are you? ;)

Actually, if such a thing were implemented, the quality of forum web traffic could improve an order of magnitude, but that might be bad for you.

misterc

2011-08-05 21:36

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064861)

Actually, if such a thing were implemented, the quality of forum web traffic could improve an order of magnitude, but that might be bad for you.

barely
i hardly ever get an answer, thus what does it matter whether ppl read my posts or not, right?
from time to time i see ideas i posted once upon a time showing up in other ppl's posts.
suspect it would still happen ¦-)

EDIT: why if :eek: :confused:
when!!! (?) ;)

gerbick

2011-08-05 21:38

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064853)

just because it doesn't make any sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense, does it, now?

One thing... communicate better.

I see a whole lot of talk, even points within points. What I don't see besides fancy rhetoric is anything conducive of a solution.

If you want to expound ad nauseum your stance, then state just that and be done with it. That's where it's not making sense to me.

Mind you. I'm an ongoing pain in the moderators collective *** here - 4 years and going. I make a point or two, then proceed to be about as pessimistic as one can get. But at least I own up to my part in all of that... sardonic wit + curiosity + devil's advocate. I be that. 100%.

But you... the meandering stances, statements... it's almost whimsical in how I can't figure out what your stance is sometimes - like now. And yes... I've been reading this entire thread. So if anything, my question is honest. What is your point?

Feel free to treat me as stupid as you think that I am... so very small, easily digested words will make my day that much better.

But right now, all I see is rank antagonizing. You're better than that. C'mon dawg... </Randy Jackson>

misterc

2011-08-05 21:46

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1064876)

One thing... communicate better.

I see a whole lot of talk, even points within points. What I don't see besides fancy rhetoric is anything conducive of a solution.

it takes two to tango, remember?
is it my fault if i don't get an answer to my question?

Quote:

If you want to expound ad nauseum your stance, then state just that and be done with it. That's where it's not making sense to me.

you missed most of the point, i'm afraid :cool:

Quote:

Mind you. I'm an ongoing pain in the moderators collective *** here - 4 years and going. I make a point or two, then proceed to be about as pessimistic as one can get. But at least I own up to my part in all of that... sardonic wit + curiosity + devil's advocate. I be that. 100%.

4 months and counting... think they had their digestion problems w/ me too :D

Quote:

But you... the meandering stances, statements... it's almost whimsical in how I can't figure out what your stance is sometimes - like now. And yes... I've been reading this entire thread. So if anything, my question is honest. What is your point?

a point?
what point?
¦-))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Quote:

...

daperl

2011-08-05 21:50

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064875)

That's my point. Your posts would improve when you decided you longer wanted to just talk to abill_uk and cod3rror. You would get yourself a new handle and you would stop using your old one. This would help with the scalability of the pruning algorithm.

gerbick

2011-08-05 21:51

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1064879)

is it my fault if i don't get an answer to my question?

Which question? There's quite a few out there.

misterc

2011-08-05 22:26

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1064880)

my posts are fine, thanks.
it's too easy to tweak the environment so that your software can cope with it.
that's not the way your are really programming, pls (?)

that's a standard / functionality test.
then comes the acceptance test, where the code has to cope with a clone of the production environment.
unless your code gets thru that, it doesn't go anywhere, sorry :(

PS: who is cod3rror? :confused:

misterc

2011-08-05 22:32

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1064882)

Which question? There's quite a few out there.

i could give you the link again, but you can get off your couch & do something too.
there are two, indeed even though they amount to one.

and, in case you can't get up from the sofa anymore, just look @ this page.
maybe you'll guess what i'm getting @
(which i already hinted at a few pages ago, but i'm sure you discarded that, right?)

Texrat

2011-08-05 22:49

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

THIS has epic potential.

/me starts corn popping

daperl

2011-08-05 22:51

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

@misterc

From the garble of your last post, it seems like you decided to just cut and run. Too bad, because it almost looked like you had something to contribute. Maybe next time.

misterc

2011-08-05 23:05

Re: COmmunity rant thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 1064914)

THIS has epic potential.

/me starts corn popping

you wouldn't have Doritos, by any chance :p

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