Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

What did you all expect? With the former killing spree of Nokia's CEO'ism, board directory surfing, pants-pissing for warmth in February, whilse many talented employees rahter jump ship instead of working for a dead end, the burning platform. Nokia made only bad decisions last 12 monhs and some years before that as well (exceptions existed back then). 9 out of 10 people reading this post would have made a better CEO for this handset maker.

I like the device a heck lot so I'll buy it if I ever get the chance, but I have no hope nor pity nor expectations for Nokia anymore. Luckily the Nokias I own are all good and thus exceptions for the rule, and I feel like the N9 will complete that list for me ;) And there is where I stop the Neggayada, bring it on this N9 :D

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

I need to start a rage thread.

Yeah. That's what I need. Just pure rage. ericsson is invited. I need a village idiot to yell at.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

My point was that there is no way on the face of the earth that WP-Nokia will outsell the N9, at least not in 2012. The N9 is sold world wide. I am sure "world wide" means nothing to you, but it is all the land outside of North America as far as the N9 is concerned.

The N9 is dead in the US, that is all, and it means nothing for the N9 as it wouldn't sell in the US no matter what.

I and millions and millions of other will purchase the N9, we will enjoy it, we will smile and be happy, the sun is shining. What are you going to do? I know, you are going to pretend the N9 doesn't exist, you (and many more) has already started that exercise. It is pathetic.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

WP7 is pretty dead in the US. 1.2% share dude. Seriously.

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I will come, just wait a month, so I can bring my N9 :D That way I will be a beacon in the utter darkness, and you will be green of envy :D

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This thread makes no difference and is filled with a wide spectrum of speculative projections. As far as it is concerned, the N9 won't be widely available is a fact. The support behind the OS is flaky to non-existent is a fact. The HW being overpriced will be a confirmed fact. Lastly the marketing behind the phone has already been lackluster which is a fact even though the phone was received with wide fanfare. As far as products go, there really is no future vision for the platform which is a fact.

The BB Bold 9900 has comparable if not better specs ... although it is an apples to oranges type of comparison. But the Bold will cost around $549CAD, so this means it is priced more competitively then the already outdated specs of the N9.

Now any sane person looking for miracles would still be hard pressed to conceive the notion that the N9 will be a commercial success reaching in the millions. But then again I also see it with the potential of reaching a million when all is done, but nothing gang busters ... but this all counts on the type of commitment Nokia is willing to put behind it which is not reassuring at this time.

If the people in the region especially those in Finland want to make a stance ... buy the N9 as part of an expensive demonstration, but I guess life is rarely a Disney movie.

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But... What if there is no "millions and millions" pieces to sell?

If Nokia would really like to sell this jewell, then where is marketing?

There are not many people, beside us, who know the existence of N9...

Why Nokia "shutdown -now" scandinavian swipe-servers?

What is this radio-silenzio? Is this good marketing?

"What is this s..t häppening..."?

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

Yeah. The N9 is just a bi-thought. Take it for what it is, not for what it could have been. If you want one, great, but it's going to be an effort to get it. If you don't want one, good for you, Nokia and you are in total agreement.

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Nokia is poor at marketing - at least here in the US. I bought my N900 without benefit of Nokia's marketing dept.

Back in the day I bought my 7710 on-line and it was drop-shipped from Singapore. The 9300 I bought, after the 7710, had spanish silk screened keys. Me da igual.

I actually bought the N8 from Nokia's online store. Not an experience I'll repeat.

So, when the N9 does turn up somewhere, I'll find some way to buy it. Why? Not because I'm such a fan of how Nokia treats me. Because it's the phone that will come closest to an upgrade from the N900.

And I've tried the N8 and the E7 - and spent quite some time with a variety of Samsung/HTC Android phones.

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That´s what I´m starting to get afraid of.....

23000 of each variation.

Pink 16GB
Blue 16GB
Black 16GB
Black 64GB

It seems Nokia won´t sell the pink/red one in Europe, two retailers have told me that and I´ve noticed that the pink one has disappeared from cdon.se/.no/.dk

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

i will pay small fee only for a n9

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I honestly to the Goddesses believe, and this is the best analysis I can come up with, I honestly belive that

NOT DOING ANYTHING RIGHT;

- ignoring the competition,
- keeping to make small incremental attempts at improving the slow dinosaur Symbian,
- PR work like they did on the N8, nothing better than that,
- continuing to having a hard-to-develop for platform like Symbian has been,

would keep NOK survive longer. In fact, at least half a decade longer. They sold a whole lot of phones as late as January. Symbian were a _growing_ platform, G.d.i.

That wasn't the only path Nokia had to choose from. If they had chosen MY preferred path, Maemo and/or MeeGo would be a nice addition to the smartphone world, and Qt on either S40 or S60 would run on lower end phones all across the globe (except North America). I believe MeeGo+Qt is sell-able, but what do I know.

Instead they chose a pretty quick road to elimination. Was it the right thing to do? Stock market says no. What Nokia did, is nothing short of betrayal to it's stock holders.

What Nokia did, is nothing short of betrayal to it's quite large developer base. You know what Microsoft says about developers? Yes, THEY are the ecosystem. Nokia wanted to have one of the three large ecosystems? They HAD one of the three large ecosystems.

Never again.

What Nokia did, is nothing short of betrayal to it's fan base. The sales numbers tell me they must have a fan base somewhere. Well, not any more. Anything these fans liked, has been pissed on, then lit on fire. Now they can hope to inherit the Microsoft Phone fan base. What is left of it after MS took away Windows Mobile, Kin, and temporarily Copy & Paste, multitasking etc. But at best, even if they should have a high percentage of fan users, we're talking a small numbers.

As it's going now, Nokia as a stand alone Corp is finished. We all see it (except those agents of controverse who traverse these here threads wearing the name of some company rival to the one they are eMployees for). The path of WP7 has halved Nokias worth. It's easy to take away half of the stock value. It's very hard to double the stock value, especially when the income is also suffering colossally over night.

I did not, do not want to let go of the idea of Nokia; the innovateur. However, that's what Nokia already decided to do, so what's left, I have no sympathy for.

*phew*

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

from stephen.elop att-nokia.com
sender-time Sent at 21:11 (UTC). Current time there: 1:14 AM. ✆
to olighak
date Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 21:11
subject RE: No N9 in the US?
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Thanks for the note.

The primary reason is the need to concentrate our efforts. There are very limited slots available in retail outlets, and tight limits on marketing funds, thus it is important that we focus our efforts.

We are looking at whether the N9 can be available through some online resellers.

Regards,

Stephen
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-----Original Message-----
From: ext [mailto:olighak]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 02:42
To: Elop Stephen (Nokia/Espoo)
Subject: No N9 in the US?

Mr. Elop,

What's the reason for not releasing the beautiful N9 in the US? Your beloved WP can't live with people having options?

Maemo/Meego could have done wonders for fraction of the advertising budget that is going to thrown at the WP effort.

The words Microsoft and Nokia have pretty much become interchangeable in press announcements for mobile devices. It's sad to see a good company like Nokia flushed down the drain the way you are taking it.

Sincerely,
a Nokia customer for 13 years, and soon to be an ex-customer.
--
Name

Cell:
Fax:
E-mail: olighak

Sent from my Nokia N900

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

I guess it wasn't elop responding but anyway, as an optimist I see the positive side of that statement. It could mean the N9 will actually see significant advertising in the countries it will be offered. Good news ;)

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

No, but anyone allowed to send emails as Stephen Elop will have to follow (I would think) a pretty tight rope for how he answers, and what he is allowed to say.

So I´d think emails from that account would be as good as information out of Nokia gets.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

This is my semi-hourly "**** you Nokia" statement...

This American feels better.

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wow thats a record if that email reply really was from ELOP ge didnt use the word ecosystem in that whole paragraph

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I propose to install one of those keywords-clouds forum plugin, sp we can see a graphical representation of how loud the community is yelling F*** ELOP!! And F*** NOKIA!!

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http://static2.businessinsider.com/i...lmer-nokia.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-js5lDD3grQ...g%2Bnokia3.png

Also... F*** ELOP!! And F*** NOKIA!!

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Can we call ericsson an idiot also? **** YOU ELOOOOOP!

Re: What's wrong with the USA?
 

[QUOTE=volt;1067505]JUST STOP.



There's an Amazon.de - Germany is missing from the Availability list.

See here, import from Austria http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphon...3049866&sr=8-1

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

Just how fluffy does your thinking process get? "they are really going for it" doesn't mean that they will make it. It only means that they are really taking a huge risk, but says absolutely nothing about chances possible success.

Again, just saying everything will be OK,OK and OK means nothing. Even fanboi guts spend more time justifying their opinions.

Stock markets, consumers flocking to Android, Nokia's plunging brand strenght and WP7+ Nokia market share situtation says otherwise. Being sceptical about Elop's strategy is certainly not blind fanboism. That doesn't mean that Elop's plan to turn Nokia into an OEM is guaranteed to fail, but its criticism certainly has a realistic foundation. It has lot more realism in it than your endless optimism without any substance to back it up.

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You are a hopeless bunch.

I prefer to be happy. I say good work Nokia and Microsoft. Get WP working. Get WP an Harmattan devices out there, so we the users can have more alternatives, more to chose from.

In a month I will have a N9. In a year I will have a WP. Still I believe my E6 will be my day to day phone as long as it still works.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

That response couldn't possibly have been from Elop, "sent from my Nokia N900" would have triggered his spam ->> trash filter.

and the forum desperately needs a "No Thanks" button. a big freaking shiny "No Effing Thanks" button; I'd wear it out on some of you folk.

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i thought tmo had restrictions on the.personnal attack? so isnt the **** you elop and nokia a personak attack? if that dont count then it shouldnot count for any other personal attack.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

Might also be breaching some other rules, since he may be a deity to some.

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I don't think a company is automatically considered a person. I doubt that Nokia tosses and turns at night worrying. And here in the US, public figures often have a special status that allows a wider range of commentary about them than about ordinary people. Elop is not a participating member of this site, so rules intended to cool out flame wars don't really apply.

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last time i checked a corporation is considered as a person in the court of law, hence when they default its liability holders cannot go after its shareholders personal property to cover their losses.
so you are saying as long as the attack doesnot involve a member of this forum its ok to carry it along?

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

The law has not decided that a corporation is a person for all purposes. For example, let's see what happens if Nokia sues, asking for damages for personal distress it received and demanding funds to consult a psychologist.

Yes, based on my credentials as a bona fide human being, I think that harsh comments about public figures are ok, as long as they don't infringe other rules, such as the one barring political commentary. If asterisks didn't save us from obscenity, I think that would not be permissible here.

Of course, I am not emperor here and the powers that be can enforce any misconceived principles they like.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

As long as it is not threat or other things that would fall under the law (and moderation would want to intervene). Because they are public persons, you can express criticism.

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so you are calling Elop a public figure? may I ask how is that public figure described? Yeah he is a CEO of a company and has been seen in tv videos when called upon a interview and has a profile posted online and you can have a two way conversation with him (hypothetically) by exchanging emails or other online interaction, he is talked among media. out of these four ground i can think of right now putiing it very simple every individual in this forum would be a public figure since it mathces 2 out of four of these criteria.

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all in all i think this is more about being in a thin line of how you see or grasp the meaning of a word.
enough of my off topic discussion.
now some one else can churn in other off topic discussion.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

I'd argue that asterisked or not, such sentiments do not belong here. Yes, a great many of us are unhappy with the way things are going (going, gone...) but it'd be nice to see the signal-to-noise ratio here return to even a fraction of what it used to be.

Nice threads right now:

• Traveling with N900 - facts & advice
• Grep command
• Anything not about Elop, N9 etc. etc.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

In defense of threads like this -- getting factual information out of Nokia is not easy. I just learned today that South Africa is open to the N9. I like learning more about grep, but collecting information and commentary about the fate of our N900s etc is important to most of us.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

WTF IS GOING ON HERE !? I'm praying this thing doesn't get cancelled....

http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/11/n...en-more-meage/

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

Grettings.

Re: Orly? N9 not coming to USA
 

Here's an idea, how about you email Mr Elop (or whoever happens to be replying on his behalf)?

I found it most useful.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75667

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Nokia will not risk confusing their targetted WP handset markets.

The media tends to look at worldwide figures and statistics, but consideration should be given to country by country stats too.

Quite obviously, Nokia/MS are receiving market-based research that suggests opportunities will present themselves in the UK and Germany, where they may not have at the time of the original N9 announcement.

Allowing 3rd party vendors to sell the N9 in these countries, leaves all the admin and logistics out of their hands, as well as the advertising, which ultimately will decide the success of the handset.
Do you think nokia is going to invest heavily in pushing a handset, when it's OS is so dramatically different to it's preferred smartphone OS?

The N9 is as much a proof of concept as it is a proof of IP (and ensuing patent enforcement). It will guarantee Nokia has leverage against anyone who tries to develop and market a UI/UX that is similar and has managed to keep a whole host of devs on side for just long enough to continue supporting Nokia QT application development, pending the move to WP.

Increasingly, Nokia's relying on income through other revenue streams like patent and IP enforcement through licensing deals.

Hardware development has always been their strong point, as has been proven in recent years by their inability to deliver a clear and focused strategy wrt OS and UX products.

ultimately, it may be easier for the board to look at guaranteed income through licensing of patents, than it is to try and win a race that they are already losing.

the withdrawal of the N9 from an increasing number of european markets, may have more to do with MS than anything else.

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Hmmm, they never announced that they would release throughout Europe and it looks as if actually they will make it available for online retailers.

The engadget article about it being withdrawn from Germany looks a tillte off the mark, or in the very least like sloppy journalism.

Mr Elop (or PA) apparently endorses its availability. He's clear in stating that WP is the future strategy - perhaps not what we want to hear, but to be fair he's being honest.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75667