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abill_uk 2011-08-13 08:36
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1069016)
Yes, the pole makes sense.
Actually more than one:
  • device prevalence among user/developers, used to determine how many users have each device, and how many developers are willing to work on particular device.
  • possible future developments, depending on above situation.
Can you see any possibility at all even of community members working on any WP device in the future?.

I know what your answer would be and that will kind of leave a very interesting situation for some time on here because IF the N9 is indeed the last non WP device for some time then can you actually see development on what will be old and dated hardware ?.

momcilo 2011-08-13 08:46
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1069018)
Can you see any possibility at all even of community members working on any WP device in the future?.

I know what your answer would be and that will kind of leave a very interesting situation for some time on here because IF the N9 is indeed the last non WP device for some time then can you actually see development on what will be old and dated hardware ?.
Abill all the pre-requisites for translation of developers to WF7 have been already done:
  • strategic acquisition of QT by Nokia
  • m$-nokia deal
  • QT is the only official stack (no other libs are even mentioned)
  • QT/QML (btw: I don't think it is so revolutionary, since there is mozilla framework for more than 10 years) was advertised as solution for everything, so majority developers will use it exclusively to develop N9 applications
  • All of the community apps will be open source

This creates an interesting situation when Nokia someday translates to WF7.

They will already have the applications, and no matter how much the developers may oppose, there is nothing that can prevent building of applications for WF7, provided that they were entirely written in QT.

abill_uk 2011-08-13 08:52
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
OK but what devices will be the target?.

momcilo 2011-08-13 09:04
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1069024)
OK but what devices will be the target?.
Let us have pole first

misterc 2011-08-13 09:07
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1069022)
Abill all the pre-requisites for translation of developers to WF7 have been already done:[LIST][*]strategic acquisition of QT by Nokia
[...]

They will already have the applications, and no matter how much the developers may oppose, there is nothing that can prevent building of applications for WF7, provided that they were entirely written in QT.
maybe there would also be needed a poll to decide whether development should be done in GTK or in Qt ;)

ysss 2011-08-13 09:09
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Ok, let's get one thing straight.

Pool:
http://emol.org/homeimprovement/anth...ools/pool4.jpg

Pole:
http://www.otds.co.uk/electrical-equ...eel-pole-3.jpg

Poll:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SBVzfqqRQe...s1600/Poll.jpg

momcilo 2011-08-13 09:10
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by misterc (Post 1069036)
maybe there would also be needed a pool to decide whether development should be done in GTK or in Qt ;)
That is a personal preference, as far as I am concerned I would be happy to see both used. Competition is a good thing.

momcilo 2011-08-13 09:11
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
ysss, I would prefer to have your attention to more specific things than spelling. ;)

ysss 2011-08-13 09:14
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
[QUOTE=momcilo;1069045]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1069040)
Ok, let's get one thing straight.

Pool:
pic omitted.

Pole:
pic omitted.

Poll:
pic omitted.

ysss, I would prefer to have your attention to more specific things than spelling. ;)
Let's wait until the poll ;)

Personally though, I'm wondering how we can get good data from the poll, since things are moving quite quickly and the people rather fickle. But any data is better than no data.

abill_uk 2011-08-13 09:18
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
FFS misterec go and correct your mistake pmsl because you will never hear the last of it :p

PS i probably make more typo's in a day than you make in a lifetime :p. ;)

misterc 2011-08-13 09:26
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1069042)
That is a personal preference, as far as I am concerned I would be happy to see both used. Competition is a good thing.
competition and concurrently diversity are nice, indeed, but they exhort what both tekki and myself have pointed out earlier;
fragmentation of the developer community.
is that such a good idea, right now?

i believe the whole point of timoph's post (with the three ongoing developments) was to show that the community has a certain focus.

but eventually it is a free world right?

misterc 2011-08-13 09:27
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1069052)
FFS misterec go and correct your mistake pmsl because you will never hear the last of it :p

PS i probably make more typo's in a day than you make in a lifetime :p. ;)
did i miss something??? ~:e)

lma 2011-08-13 09:32
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1069016)
Yes, the pole makes sense.
I respectfully disagree. It can only serve to discourage people.

Quote:
Actually more than one:
  • device prevalence among user/developers, used to determine how many users have each device, and how many developers are willing to work on particular device.
  • possible future developments, depending on above situation.
Bikeshedding can be fun, but at the end of the day you cannot direct volunteer efforts by popular vote. Actual progress only happens by people who work on what they find interesting/fun or scratches their itch. The role of maemo.org should be to support all such endeavours, within reason.

Quote:
I own N810, and are naturally interested as both user and developer (provided that there are enough developers willing to work on it as well).
If there is a specific area you want to work on, go for it! Others may join or not, but if you scratch your itch and have some fun or learn something new in the process who cares?

abill_uk 2011-08-13 09:43
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
AHA i got it now and we are all wrong, POOL as in a POOL of idea's .... am i right?.

geneven 2011-08-13 09:47
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1069045)
ysss, I would prefer to have your attention to more specific things than spelling. ;)
When the discussion about a pool begin I didn't understand what you were even talking about. I thought what was meant was that there was going to be the formation of some kind of developer labor pool. Maybe some attention to what words mean and how they are spelled is useful.

momcilo 2011-08-13 12:21
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by geneven (Post 1069091)
When the discussion about a pool begin I didn't understand what you were even talking about. I thought what was meant was that there was going to be the formation of some kind of developer labor pool. Maybe some attention to what words mean and how they are spelled is useful.
Breaking news: main problems of maemo.org are mostly spelling related.

Ok, spelling is not my stronger side, let's focus on the real issues.

BTW: At 35 degrees Celsius, pool looks really tempting.

yoh 2011-08-14 14:32
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
[QUOTE=ysss;1069051]
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1069045)

But any data is better than no data.
I'm for remembering that all data collections need to be qualified before use. The data points/records themselves aren't good or bad; but they cannot be applied to a useful collection if they don't exist :)

qole 2011-08-18 23:34
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
I'm completely behind every effort to get the work done.
Posting opinions on forums? Not so much.

Koh 2011-08-21 02:52
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
If we want to keep Maemo/Hildon UI live, we should find a way to enable it to run on other open devices, or devices that are not locked. Since Nokia has stated that they would not release new Maemo/Meego device, we should try to find a new hardware.

This device may be a good choice:
http://en.miui.com/
it's based on CyanogenMod's work.
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/

Maybe we could rebuild the Maemo user experience on Android/Meego OS Core, which may enable it for further development?

Kangal 2011-08-21 03:16
Re: A modest proposal for a direction for maemo.org activities
 
@Koh

WRONG!!

We need to add the MIUI interface to Maemo/MeeGo core... then we'd see adoption. Not the other way around.

My proposal:
1-Go back to the drawing board and create a full user experience.
2-Use aesthetics and elements from iOS, Android, MIUI, WebOS, QNX, Moblin etc.
3-Finalize the MeeGo core (support most features).
4-Tie in this new user experience to the finalized core.
5-Polish the SDK/Qt libraries.
6-Slap this on available hardware (or manufacture your own).
7-Smoke a cigar, enjoy life, forget about money.

edit: I can do 1,2,6,7 need help for the rest


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